From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat May 15 10:09:49 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, May 15 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1457 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] fuel prices Re: [db] Tinted windows? Re: [db] Hmmmm Re: [db] Hmmmm Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 02:51:47 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices Hmmm, All that expensive fuel up there. Must be your real estate prices. Since you can afford those 600k cracker boxes you must be able to fill up on $2.25 fuel :) Hmmm at this rate the 3.00 mark wont be far away at all. Maybee we will see the 4.00 mark this summer. Just imagine if you had one of those trucks or SUV's with a dual fuel tank. 40 gallons of expensive fuel is just short of $100 Robert Chase john wrote: >the cheapest I can find #2 in the Seattle/Everett/Bellevue >area is about $2.25 up in Clearview... down on the eastside >it's closer to $2.27-2.29. > >unleaded is pretty close to the same... maybe $2.17... haven't >tanked up the wife's Jeep... I think she did today... > >sticker shock... over $35 to fill up my benz... making me >think a bit about vegetable oil. ;) > >john >'91 300d - shadowfax (186,000 miles) >'87 cherokee (250,000 miles) (soon to be son's) >'83 J10 - Superdawg (under reconstruction) >'67 J100 Panel - Rambo (he's getting 35's on Monday) >'75 J10 bed/hydraulic dump trailer (coming home Monday!) >...looking for another Cherokee/Grand Cherokee... son is >buying the '87 xj and taking it to AZ... > > >On Fri, 14 May 2004, junot wrote: > > > >>-->greetings .... >>--> >>-->diesel #2 is now $2.26/gal. in tuscon arizona, usa >>-->unleaded premium is $2.15/gal. >>--> >>-->what's with this ? >>--> >>-->junot >>-->82 300D >>-->55 MkVIIM Jaguar >>--> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:00:46 -0700 From: "Thomas J. Harais" Subject: Re: [db] Tinted windows? Robert: My w126 is white and the rear windows are tinted with black, limo tint. The drivers and passenger windows are tinted in something much lighter. The car was done this way when I bought it. I am convinced that the tinting has saved the interior from sunlight damage, especially since the car has sat outside for the almost five years I've owned it. And, even if I could put it in the garage, my wife has it at work every day and it sits in the hot, California sun there. The tinting really helps with heat control in the summer. I've never found it to interfere with vision. I like the look, although my step daughter tells my wife that she looks like a "mafia princess" driving that car with tinted windows. She doesn't mean that in a seriously negative way; it's just a comment on the look. Of course, I got the wheels chromed too, so I guess that tells you something of my taste. Although I can say, part of it was practicallity, the painted wheels just didn't hold up all that well and I didn't want to get them repainted again. Tom H., '87 300 SDL Robert Chase wrote: > So, > > Im considering tinting the windows on my 126. Mostly because I wear > shorts a good bit and don't like toasting the back of my legs sitting on > a backside roasting MBtex seat. Any thoughts? My car is Black and > looks sinister enough just as it is and Im wondering if tinting the > windows would go overboard for that "Darth Vader" look. Im not a huge > fan of window tint but Im also not a huge fan of towels in my seats > either :) > > http://beostar.paunix.org/newmbzpics > > Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:39:24 -0700 From: "Thomas J. Harais" Subject: Re: [db] Hmmmm Robert Chase wrote: > I think the main problem is defining what a diesel is. There are diesel > trucks and busses that send out huge plumes of black smoke whenever they > move. Diesel cars do not do this. Actually Robert, I've got to respectfully add my own perspective here that thinks you fell for an image that the environwhackos and some other well meaning folks like to craft of diesel power. I own a diesel car that does belch black smoke - a '79 Cad with the 350 Olds diesel. :-) Diesel cars used to do this, even old MBs. I work for a public transit agency, a bus operator. Our buses haven't "belched smoke" now for more than ten years. The engine manufacturers have been cleaning this up in anticipation of legislation that would require that they do so anyway. Our buses ranging in age from 9 to 1 year old are very clean compared to the image you created with that statement. And, we (all bus operators in CA along with other public agencys that operate "heavy, heavy duty cycle" diesel powered vehciles, are being forced by the California Air Resources Board to add retrofit devices, at great cost to the taxpayers, to reduce particulate and NOx emissions to a level set by the federal EPA but much sooner. I could write volumes about what has gone on with the CARB and diesel bus operators, but there isn't space on this BB to do so. I have direct experience in this, as I have been the designated "point person" for our transit agency since CARB passed these laws. If you want to see old hippies who just don't get it, you need to meet some of the CARB scientists. Forty years later, they are still wearing sandals, long hair and beads. They blame everything on "corporate greed" and think "profit" is a dirty word. They give absolutely no respect or consideration to the diesel engine manufacturers such as Detroit, Cummins, Navistar or Caterpillar for the hundreds of millions of dollars they've invested in cleaning up their diesels, starting long before CARB passed the "fleet emissions rules" back in 1998. My agency has choosen to purchase modern diesel engines and to use a specialized, water-diesel emulsion fuel called "PuriNOx" that Chevron actually developed. Our NOx emissions are down by 40% but we haven't reached the 70% reduction that CARB wants to see. We are involved in a $1M demonstration project with other Bay Area Transit operators using a specialized, ammonia injection system to try and obtain the NOx reductions that CARB wants. We will be retrofitting our existing 62 bus fixed route fleet with catalytic devices that reduce NOx by this much over the next two years. Our PM emissions are now immeasureable at the exhaust pipe with mobile equipment. Beleive me, there is no visible smoke except under full throttle acceleration, where there is only a faint "wisp". However, CARB will NOT accept this as they will only accept results from one of thier two approved labs with dynomometers that cost more than $10,000 per test for us to use. Oh, did I tell you, that since use diesel bus operators were so cooperative with CARB in implementing this ruling, they are now crafting virtually the same rules for heavy duty cycle diesels in our fleets - our paratransit vans with the 7.3l Powerstroke diesels- to come into effect starting in 2007. By the way, the diesel manufacturers have been developing engines to meet the EPA requirements that are becoming stricter, year by year all along. CARB just didn't want to wait for the 8,000 bus stock in California to "turn over" from the normal depreciation cycle. The driving force behind all of this is environmental groups and others like the American Lung Association who have not hidden their desires to get diesel powered vehicles off the road alltogther. At CARB meetings I have watched them attack CARB scientists for not going far enough fast enough. Realities related to economics, physics, chemistry or even what great progress has already been made NEVER enter into these discussions/hearings. By the way, the MTA in New York went ahead an purchased three fuel cell powered buses as a demonstration towards future public transit. They only cost $3M each! Don't even get me started on this. And don't take my word for it. Visit the engine manufacturers websites to see what they are doing. Stop over at the CARB website and read up, it's full of all kinds of euphemisms. See how your tax dollars are wasted implementing programs like this and how this drives up the cost you pay for the product too. Tom H., '87 300 SDL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:45:40 -0400 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Hmmmm Hmmm, Keep in mind that you live in the socialist republic of California :). Busses in Atlanta Georgia belch out smoke as do Semi tractor trailers and dump trucks and other diesel powered vehicles. My Mercedes however rarely does but just the other day managed to smoke screen some empy headed granola eating hippie chick at an open air restraunt. Right when she was loudly talking about how its terrible that people still drive huge "gas guzzling cars" my 300SD belched out a smelly cloud of diesel smoke. If only I had taken a photo of her dirty look. Robert Chase Thomas J. Harais wrote: > Robert Chase wrote: > >> I think the main problem is defining what a diesel is. There are >> diesel trucks and busses that send out huge plumes of black smoke >> whenever they move. Diesel cars do not do this. > > > Actually Robert, I've got to respectfully add my own perspective here > that thinks you fell for an image that the environwhackos and some > other well meaning folks like to craft of diesel power. > > I own a diesel car that does belch black smoke - a '79 Cad with the > 350 Olds diesel. :-) Diesel cars used to do this, even old MBs. > > I work for a public transit agency, a bus operator. Our buses haven't > "belched smoke" now for more than ten years. The engine manufacturers > have been cleaning this up in anticipation of legislation that would > require that they do so anyway. > > Our buses ranging in age from 9 to 1 year old are very clean compared > to the image you created with that statement. And, we (all bus > operators in CA along with other public agencys that operate "heavy, > heavy duty cycle" diesel powered vehciles, are being forced by the > California Air Resources Board to add retrofit devices, at great cost > to the taxpayers, to reduce particulate and NOx emissions to a level > set by the federal EPA but much sooner. > > I could write volumes about what has gone on with the CARB and diesel > bus operators, but there isn't space on this BB to do so. I have > direct experience in this, as I have been the designated "point > person" for our transit agency since CARB passed these laws. If you > want to see old hippies who just don't get it, you need to meet some > of the CARB scientists. Forty years later, they are still wearing > sandals, long hair and beads. They blame everything on "corporate > greed" and think "profit" is a dirty word. They give absolutely no > respect or consideration to the diesel engine manufacturers such as > Detroit, Cummins, Navistar or Caterpillar for the hundreds of millions > of dollars they've invested in cleaning up their diesels, starting > long before CARB passed the "fleet emissions rules" back in 1998. > > My agency has choosen to purchase modern diesel engines and to use a > specialized, water-diesel emulsion fuel called "PuriNOx" that Chevron > actually developed. Our NOx emissions are down by 40% but we haven't > reached the 70% reduction that CARB wants to see. We are involved in > a $1M demonstration project with other Bay Area Transit operators > using a specialized, ammonia injection system to try and obtain the > NOx reductions that CARB wants. We will be retrofitting our existing > 62 bus fixed route fleet with catalytic devices that reduce NOx by > this much over the next two years. > > Our PM emissions are now immeasureable at the exhaust pipe with mobile > equipment. Beleive me, there is no visible smoke except under full > throttle acceleration, where there is only a faint "wisp". However, > CARB will NOT accept this as they will only accept results from one of > thier two approved labs with dynomometers that cost more than $10,000 > per test for us to use. > > Oh, did I tell you, that since use diesel bus operators were so > cooperative with CARB in implementing this ruling, they are now > crafting virtually the same rules for heavy duty cycle diesels in our > fleets - our paratransit vans with the 7.3l Powerstroke diesels- to > come into effect starting in 2007. > > By the way, the diesel manufacturers have been developing engines to > meet the EPA requirements that are becoming stricter, year by year all > along. CARB just didn't want to wait for the 8,000 bus stock in > California to "turn over" from the normal depreciation cycle. > > The driving force behind all of this is environmental groups and > others like the American Lung Association who have not hidden their > desires to get diesel powered vehicles off the road alltogther. At > CARB meetings I have watched them attack CARB scientists for not going > far enough fast enough. Realities related to economics, physics, > chemistry or even what great progress has already been made NEVER > enter into these discussions/hearings. > > By the way, the MTA in New York went ahead an purchased three fuel > cell powered buses as a demonstration towards future public transit. > They only cost $3M each! > > Don't even get me started on this. And don't take my word for it. > Visit the engine manufacturers websites to see what they are doing. > Stop over at the CARB website and read up, it's full of all kinds of > euphemisms. See how your tax dollars are wasted implementing programs > like this and how this drives up the cost you pay for the product too. > > Tom H., '87 300 SDL ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1457 **********************************