From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu May 27 16:13:03 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, May 27 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1473 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: Re: xj: RE: Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel RE: [db] Re: Re: xj: RE: Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel RE: [db] 240D low gearing Re: [db] 240D low gearing [db] Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel RE: [db] 240D low gearing Re: [db] Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel [db] 617 engine is built like a..... Re: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... RE: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... [db] Very good article in Business Week [db] Good Morning America and SVO [db] 92 300SD Re: [db] 92 300SD Re: [db] 92 300SD Re: [db] 92 300SD RE: [db] 92 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:42:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Re: xj: RE: Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel not familiar with Toyota Diesels, but willing to learn... :) john On Wed, 26 May 2004, Jim Blair wrote: >--> >--> On a similar note, I have a Toyota 4x4 auto trans (from an '87 4runner) >-->that is EXACTLY the same trans as the AW4 that Jeep XJs use, so finding a >-->Toyota diesel with auto would net you the bellhousing, flexplate, starter >-->and torque converter needed to do a diesel swap in an XJ. (wiring, exhaust, >-->mounts would still nedd doing, but that's the toughest part taken care of!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:06:28 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Re: Re: xj: RE: Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel John, When I was in Tanzania, East Africa, the Toyota Hilux Diesel engine was quite popular. I even ended up buying a used Toyota Cresta from Japan, with the Hilux Diesel engine. It was one of the nicest cars I've ever owned, besides my 85 Mercedes 190D, of course. There were many double cab mini pickups that had the hilux diesel in them, and I only heard great things from the owners. The only issue here would be getting parts. I don't know if this is the same engine that would mate with the transmission mentioned below? R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:43 PM To: Jim Blair Cc: xj-list; full size jeep list; diesel-benz list Subject: [db] Re: Re: xj: RE: Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel not familiar with Toyota Diesels, but willing to learn... :) john On Wed, 26 May 2004, Jim Blair wrote: >--> >--> On a similar note, I have a Toyota 4x4 auto trans (from an '87 4runner) >-->that is EXACTLY the same trans as the AW4 that Jeep XJs use, so finding a >-->Toyota diesel with auto would net you the bellhousing, flexplate, starter >-->and torque converter needed to do a diesel swap in an XJ. (wiring, exhaust, >-->mounts would still nedd doing, but that's the toughest part taken care of!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:18:21 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] 240D low gearing Jason, We used to have these hi/low axles on our grain trucks where I grew up in Montana. I learned to shift through the 1-lo to 1-high, to 2-low to 2-hi, etc... when I was about 7 years old. It's great fun, and much easier with a manual transmission (our 76 Chevy had an allison automatic tranny with the hi/low axle too). The 57 Ford with the manual tranny was actually fun to drive, although the lack of power steering made it a lot of work. The hi/low axle makes a 4 speed into an 8 speed. As I recall, it required a little bit of time to switch between axles...if you shifted too fast, it wouldn't work right. So, power shifting is limited :) R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:07 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] 240D low gearing Ya know, semi trucks have (had?) a splittable rear end that had a high and a low range. Now that would be cool with these 240Ds^Wit could be used as overdrive..... That way you don't need the garbage truck to get moving, but can let the engine unwind a bit at 70. (After all, it's getting a lot of ram-air action at 70....) But where would you get something like that that wasn't sized for an International 2-ton truck? Jason Soon to be a 240D owner..... ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:37:47 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 240D low gearing On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 03:07:13PM +0000, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Ya know, semi trucks have (had?) a splittable rear end that had a high and a > low range. Now that would be cool with these 240Ds^Wit could be used as > overdrive..... That way you don't need the garbage truck to get moving, but > can let the engine unwind a bit at 70. (After all, it's getting a lot of > ram-air action at 70....) But where would you get something like that that > wasn't sized for an International 2-ton truck? Overseas, from 82-85 (I think), the Euro 240D could be had with a five speed. Fifth gear was overdrive. This is probably what you want, as it would easily bolt to the OM616. Supposedly the tricky part is getting the shifter stuff, but it's been figured out before. I'd keep my eyes out for one of those, rather than trying to get a brownie or laycock to bolt up to the benz transmission, and figure out how to not mess with driveshaft geometry too much. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:42:15 -0400 From: wblack-at-deltacorp.com Subject: [db] Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel Construction kit for changing motor in a Landrover to a Merzedez Benz 220D/240D (I prefer 300D myself) I was at a body shop the other day and saw this swap in progress. Using the motor from a 116 SD. I wonder if he knows about moving the radiator? Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 240D low gearing there's other options available... there are over/underdrive units that attach to the back of the transmissions... volvo had something like that... you could use a transfer case as well... divorced mount xfr case from a japanese 4x4, early versions, would allow you to run in low range, say about 2:1 and then 1:1 in high range... if you don't want to change the rear axle gears, then just get Really big rear tires.... I've got some 35's in the yard... ;) browning two speed rear ends are what you'd be looking for with the rear end... I think it'll be a little big for the 240d... ;) john On Wed, 26 May 2004 scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >-->Jason, >--> >-->We used to have these hi/low axles on our grain trucks where I grew up in >-->Montana. I learned to shift through the 1-lo to 1-high, to 2-low to 2-hi, >-->etc... when I was about 7 years old. It's great fun, and much easier with a >-->manual transmission (our 76 Chevy had an allison automatic tranny with the >-->hi/low axle too). The 57 Ford with the manual tranny was actually fun to >-->drive, although the lack of power steering made it a lot of work. The hi/low >-->axle makes a 4 speed into an 8 speed. As I recall, it required a little bit >-->of time to switch between axles...if you shifted too fast, it wouldn't work >-->right. So, power shifting is limited :) >--> >-->R, >-->Scott >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com >-->Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:07 AM >-->To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: [db] 240D low gearing >--> >--> >-->Ya know, semi trucks have (had?) a splittable rear end that had a high and a >-->low range. Now that would be cool with these 240Ds^Wit could be used as >-->overdrive..... That way you don't need the garbage truck to get moving, but >-->can let the engine unwind a bit at 70. (After all, it's getting a lot of >-->ram-air action at 70....) But where would you get something like that that >-->wasn't sized for an International 2-ton truck? >--> >-->Jason >--> >-->Soon to be a 240D owner..... >--> >-->________________________________________________________________ >-->The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >-->Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >-->Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Translated - engine Adapter MB Diesel maybe you could get some pictures... :) john On Wed, 26 May 2004 wblack-at-deltacorp.com wrote: >-->Construction kit for changing motor in a Landrover to a Merzedez Benz >-->220D/240D (I prefer 300D myself) >--> >--> >-->I was at a body shop the other day and saw this swap in progress. Using the >-->motor from a 116 SD. I wonder if he knows about moving the radiator? >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:21:07 -0700 From: "derick amburgey" Subject: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... Wow, The more I tear this engine down the more respect I have for it. Looks like it belongs in something with tracks. Did a cold compression test today. Cylinder PSI #1 280 #2 290 #3 285 #4 290 #5 275 Looks like it is going to be a challenge to get that starter out anyone have any tricks? Derick - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.691 / Virus Database: 452 - Release Date: 5/26/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... On Wed, 26 May 2004, derick amburgey wrote: >-->Wow, >-->The more I tear this engine down the more respect I have for it. >-->Looks like it belongs in something with tracks. pictures? :) >-->Did a cold compression test today. >-->Cylinder PSI >-->#1 280 >-->#2 290 >-->#3 285 >-->#4 290 >-->#5 275 >--> >-->Looks like it is going to be a challenge to get that starter out anyone have >-->any tricks? why? two bolts... piece 'o cake... or am I forgetting something? :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:43:27 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... I thought I remembered something about the starter being a bit of a tricky reach and/or fit, but that could be just the turbo OM617, or it could just be a faulty memory on my part. Is this the first OM617 you've played with, Derick? If so, you'll begin to understand why those of us who have lived with them love them so dearly. Especially the turbo version. They're both joyous marvels of beautiful mechanical overengineering that really, really do not want to die. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:30 PM > To: bogus-at-amburgey.us > Cc: '[db]' > Subject: Re: [db] 617 engine is built like a..... > > > On Wed, 26 May 2004, derick amburgey wrote: > >-->Wow, > >-->The more I tear this engine down the more respect I have for it. > >-->Looks like it belongs in something with tracks. > > pictures? :) > > >-->Did a cold compression test today. > >-->Cylinder PSI > >-->#1 280 > >-->#2 290 > >-->#3 285 > >-->#4 290 > >-->#5 275 > >--> > >-->Looks like it is going to be a challenge to get that starter > out anyone have > >-->any tricks? > > why? two bolts... piece 'o cake... or am I forgetting something? :) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:51:01 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Very good article in Business Week http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_22/b3885058.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:44:31 -0600 From: Subject: [db] Good Morning America and SVO Hi All, Did anyone else catch the bite on Good Morning America a couple of days ago featuring the Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) product that cost about $795? I was really disappointed with the reporting and noticed several errors or blunders, however, at least it got some air time : 1) As a demonstration that the car can burn SVO, the report proceeded to fry bacon and then pour the bacon greese into the SVO tank! From what I understand, pigs are not VEGETABLES!! This really made me chuckle. I suppose this will work, but I wouldn't want to gum up my system with LARD, myself. 2) He barely mentioned that this works on your Diesel car, but hardly stressed the point that if you own a gas burning car, this option is completely unavailable to you. 3) I think he said that you will get 50 MPG using this SVO product, and drove off in a Golf TDI. Now, the Golf TDI may well get 50MPG, but a variety of other diesel cars will get more or less. Maybe he said "up to" 50MPG....I'm probably being picky. 4) He said that you will have just as much power burning SVO as you will with Diesel fuel. It thought I saw some comments on this list that people noticed about 10-20% drop in power? R, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:10:56 -0700 From: "SEAN FORD" Subject: [db] 92 300SD I had asked about the 95 350SD and then I ran across a 92 300SD. Is the 92 300SD's engine the same as an 86-88 300SDL? If so what is the concensus on this car. I am starting to like the big body style, mostly for the size and interior look but the body is growing on me. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:47:03 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 92 300SD On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 12:10:56PM -0700, SEAN FORD wrote: > I had asked about the 95 350SD and then I ran across a 92 300SD. Is the 92 > 300SD's engine the same as an 86-88 300SDL? If so what is the concensus on > this car. I am starting to like the big body style, mostly for the size and > interior look but the body is growing on me. Same engine as that 95 350SD. For some reason, they called it a 300SD. In fact, if it's the same body style as the 95, the comments will mostly be the same. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 92 300SD just check the engine... displacement... 3.0 is ok, 3.5L can be trouble... it wasn't until '95 or so, if memory serves me... and I don't trust it so neither should you... that they fixed it... john On Thu, 27 May 2004, SEAN FORD wrote: >-->I had asked about the 95 350SD and then I ran across a 92 300SD. Is the 92 >-->300SD's engine the same as an 86-88 300SDL? If so what is the concensus on >-->this car. I am starting to like the big body style, mostly for the size and >-->interior look but the body is growing on me. >--> >-->Sean >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:58:36 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 92 300SD On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 12:35:55PM -0700, john wrote: > just check the engine... displacement... 3.0 is ok, 3.5L can be > trouble... it wasn't until '95 or so, if memory serves me... and > I don't trust it so neither should you... that they fixed it... I was told any 603 from 90 and up is the 3.5L, regardless of badging on the back. For some reason, Mercedes did not distinguish between 3.0 and 3.5L engines in the model name. I know a 92 300SD will have a 3.5L. The 3.5L is supposed to be a nice engine, it just is a ticking time bomb. If you want one, you're best off finding someone who put in a replacement or rebuilt engine in the past four or five years, as it will likely have replacement rods in it. Especially if it was a factory reman/dealer rebuild. Do not accept it as rebuilt or replaced without seeing a receipt. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:00:38 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [db] 92 300SD OK. My standard reference for this kind of question, http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html, says a 1992 300SD is the first year of the W140 body (probably not a good choice), and it is the feared 3.5 liter OM603.971. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of SEAN FORD > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:11 PM > To: diesel-benz-digest > Subject: [db] 92 300SD > > > I had asked about the 95 350SD and then I ran across a 92 > 300SD. Is the 92 > 300SD's engine the same as an 86-88 300SDL? If so what is > the concensus on > this car. I am starting to like the big body style, mostly > for the size and > interior look but the body is growing on me. > > Sean ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1473 **********************************