From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 4 20:47:51 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 4 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1519 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Transmission cooler Re: [db] Transmission cooler [db] only 38.43 mpg... ;) [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... [db] replacing rear brakes on a 190D [db] Slight oil Leak under turbo Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:35:31 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] Transmission cooler Hello again, last weekend I read an article about additional tranny coolers as the life of the transmission fluid is greatly influenced by heat. Many cars have already an cooler in the bottom of the radiator. In this article it was recommended to install even with this feature an additional cooler.Wondering whether it is common to have add. tranny coolers in Arizona, Southern California or Florida. I drove several times during the summer to California and overheating did not occur in my 190D. Any comments would be appreciated. Cheers Wiard Pless ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 20:44:17 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Transmission cooler I don't think our Mercedes really have an issue with overheating the transmissions for a couple of reasons. One being that we aren't likely to tow with it. The other being that they are designed well. I run amsoil synthetic ATF in mine, that alone is capable of reducing the operating temperature by 50 degrees F. That and the synthetic ATF is more tolerant of higher temps and doesn't break down or oxidize. Rather then mess with an external cooler on your Benz I'd recommend using a synthetic ATF, of course I recommend amsoil because I've been a dealer since 1983. :) john wmpless wrote: > Hello again, > last weekend I read an article about additional tranny coolers as the life > of the transmission fluid is greatly influenced by heat. Many cars have > already an cooler in the bottom of the radiator. In this article it was > recommended to install even with this feature an additional cooler.Wondering > whether it is common to have add. tranny coolers in Arizona, Southern > California or Florida. I drove several times during the summer to California > and overheating did not occur in my 190D. Any comments would be appreciated. > Cheers Wiard Pless ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:12:06 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] only 38.43 mpg... ;) on the drive from Snohomish (Seattle) to Spokane we got "only" 38.43 mpg. Tomorrow we turn around and head back... if we don't have the headwind we have last time I might even share what I get on the way home. :) I'm giving some serious thought to going with a Diesel engine in my '83 J10. I'm going to do some checking with wrecking yards to see if I can't find an '87 or newer 3.0L 6 cylinder or a 2.5L TD 5 cylinder... Or, just a plain old 3.0L TD out of a 123... I'm sure it'll push Superdawg around just fine. Biggest issue for me will be finding an adapter to mate to the Aisin Warner 30-80LE. Or, I suppose I could use the Benz tranny and make a divorce xfr case adapter for the output shaft into my xfr case. That'd probably be the easiest... The J10 weighs about 4,100lbs... will the MB 123 series or 126 series Automatics hold up to that? thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:44:51 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Kevin, Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. If I went with the GM Diesel I'd go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I really want (and need) an Automatic... :( john Kevin Pekarek wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 11:12:06PM -0700, john meister wrote: > >>on the drive from Snohomish (Seattle) to Spokane we got "only" 38.43 mpg. >> >>Tomorrow we turn around and head back... if we don't have the headwind >>we have last time I might even share what I get on the way home. :) >> >>I'm giving some serious thought to going with a Diesel engine in my >>'83 J10. I'm going to do some checking with wrecking yards to see >>if I can't find an '87 or newer 3.0L 6 cylinder or a 2.5L TD 5 cylinder... >> >>Or, just a plain old 3.0L TD out of a 123... I'm sure it'll push >>Superdawg around just fine. >> >>Biggest issue for me will be finding an adapter to mate to the >>Aisin Warner 30-80LE. Or, I suppose I could use the Benz >>tranny and make a divorce xfr case adapter for the output shaft >>into my xfr case. That'd probably be the easiest... >> >>The J10 weighs about 4,100lbs... will the MB 123 series or >>126 series Automatics hold up to that? > > > You know, there are two other possibilities to not discount either. > If the Benz stuff ends up being too light duty, there is the GM/detroit > 6.2L diesel (which is perfect for a half or three quarter ton, you're already > familiar with, and the TH400 it came with could have the quadratrac shaft > put into it), or the nissan 3.3L turbo out of an international scout - > they'll bolt up to a 727, so will probably also bolt up to an AW4. > > I still think that you'll want something with more of a truck torque > curve than a car diesel has to offer, and am pretty sure a 602/603 is a > bit light duty for what you might haul with your truck. > > K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:08:41 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Heck, use the Cummins Turbo inline 6... Great economy and should fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) Jim/ > Kevin, > > Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, > they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think > I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. > > If I went with the GM Diesel I'd > go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was > a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( > > I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides > I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. > > I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too > many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, > at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... > I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) > > The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. > I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) > > I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use > my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I > really want (and need) an Automatic... :( > > john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:42:59 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... For saftey purposes I wouldn't put it in anything less than a 3/4t truck. Jeep made a 3/4t pickup didn't they?? Jim/ > I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into > anything less than a 3/4T truck. Since I haven't been following this thread > I don't know if that's pertinent or not. > > Regardless, you'd better have a really meaty front suspension. Those > engines are heaveeeee. > VT > > < fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) > > Jim/ > > > Kevin, > > > > Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, > > they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think > > I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. > > > > If I went with the GM Diesel I'd > > go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was > > a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( > > > > I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides > > I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. > > > > I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too > > many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, > > at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... > > I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) > > > > The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. > > I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) > > > > I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use > > my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I > > really want (and need) an Automatic... :( > > > > john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:17:35 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... two reasons, no, three, why that won't happen: 1) very heavy 2) EXTREMELY noisey 3) very expensive. :) john Jim Hoffman wrote: > Heck, use the Cummins Turbo inline 6... Great economy and should > fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) > > Jim/ > > >>Kevin, >> >>Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, >>they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think >>I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. >> >>If I went with the GM Diesel I'd >>go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was >>a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( >> >>I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides >>I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. >> >>I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too >>many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, >>at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... >>I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) >> >>The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. >>I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) >> >>I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use >>my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I >>really want (and need) an Automatic... :( >> >>john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:20:49 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... yes, the J20. But the only difference is they use a Dana 60 instead of a Dana 44, 8 lug wheels instead of 6 lug and heavier springs... It would take me about 4 hours to turn my 1/2T into a 3/4T or heavier. ;) john Jim Hoffman wrote: > For saftey purposes I wouldn't put it in anything less than a 3/4t > truck. Jeep made a 3/4t pickup didn't they?? > > Jim/ > > >>I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into >>anything less than a 3/4T truck. Since I haven't been following this > > thread > >>I don't know if that's pertinent or not. >> >>Regardless, you'd better have a really meaty front suspension. Those >>engines are heaveeeee. >>VT >> >><>fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) >> >>Jim/ >> >> >>>Kevin, >>> >>>Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, >>>they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think >>>I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. >>> >>>If I went with the GM Diesel I'd >>>go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was >>>a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( >>> >>>I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides >>>I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. >>> >>>I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too >>>many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, >>>at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... >>>I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) >>> >>>The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. >>>I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) >>> >>>I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use >>>my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I >>>really want (and need) an Automatic... :( >>> >>>john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:14:49 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into anything less than a 3/4T truck. Since I haven't been following this thread I don't know if that's pertinent or not. Regardless, you'd better have a really meaty front suspension. Those engines are heaveeeee. VT < Kevin, > > Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, > they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think > I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. > > If I went with the GM Diesel I'd > go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was > a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( > > I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides > I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. > > I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too > many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, > at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... > I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) > > The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. > I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) > > I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use > my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I > really want (and need) an Automatic... :( > > john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 09:23:50 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... I know of one that went into a Grand Wagoneer... the motors are very heavy, don't know of any federal law though that would prevent it... john Vernon Tuck wrote: > I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into > anything less than a 3/4T truck. Since I haven't been following this thread > I don't know if that's pertinent or not. > > Regardless, you'd better have a really meaty front suspension. Those > engines are heaveeeee. > VT > > < fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) > > Jim/ > > >>Kevin, >> >>Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, >>they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think >>I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. >> >>If I went with the GM Diesel I'd >>go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was >>a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( >> >>I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides >>I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. >> >>I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too >>many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, >>at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... >>I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) >> >>The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. >>I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) >> >>I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use >>my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I >>really want (and need) an Automatic... :( >> >>john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Vernon Tuck wrote: > > I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into > anything less than a 3/4T truck. *** Did he give the CFR number of the regulation? Issue of the Federal Register? Sounds farfetched to me. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:40:37 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] replacing rear brakes on a 190D Hello, can just confirm Mike Frank's observation. The brake pads I install first were made by Raybestos and they were quite a bit thicker and had less area than those sold by MB which were made by Textar. As the brake line on one side in one spot had quite a bit rust I bought a new one from MB. It turned out that it was about 11/2" too long. Good thing I had a flaring tool. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: [db] Slight oil Leak under turbo Ho All! I have a slight (getting slightly worse) oil leak that looks like it's comming out of the bottom area under the Turbo (look slike it might be comming out of the turbo intake????) on a 84 300td. I thought I saw a similar post a few months ago. Just wanted to ping the group and see if this is a semi-common problem on these units. And if so, what may it be and how hard to fix? Seems like the engine is running a lilttle ruff. I'm going to adjust the valves and change out the filters and see if that takes some of the roughness out. I've been running about a 25% french fry oil mix this summer and am wondering if I'm clogging things up... Anyway. Thanx in advance! - -hue- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:49:49 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Okay, so the J10 is 1/2 ton, J20 is 3/4 ton, is there a J30?? A one ton?? Jim/ > yes, the J20. > > But the only difference is they use a Dana 60 instead of a Dana 44, > 8 lug wheels instead of 6 lug and heavier springs... It would take > me about 4 hours to turn my 1/2T into a 3/4T or heavier. ;) > > john > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > For saftey purposes I wouldn't put it in anything less than a 3/4t > > truck. Jeep made a 3/4t pickup didn't they?? > > > > Jim/ > > > > > >>I was told by a Cummins guy that by federal law a Cummins 6 cannot go into > >>anything less than a 3/4T truck. Since I haven't been following this > > > > thread > > > >>I don't know if that's pertinent or not. > >> > >>Regardless, you'd better have a really meaty front suspension. Those > >>engines are heaveeeee. > >>VT > >> > >>< >>fit nicely in the Jeep. Send pics when you get it done ;) > >> > >>Jim/ > >> > >> > >>>Kevin, > >>> > >>>Appreciate the input. A 6.2L Diesel wouldn't be a bad plan, > >>>they are a bit heavy and not the most fuel efficient. I think > >>>I'd go with the 6.5L TD if I were going with a V8. > >>> > >>>If I went with the GM Diesel I'd > >>>go with a newer 700R4 out of a big Blazer... my '83 GMC Jimmy was > >>>a pretty decent rig... but I never got it over 20mpg... :( > >>> > >>>I wouldn't run a TH400 and QT, my axles are wrong... and besides > >>>I'm not a big fan of TH400's or Borg Warner QTs. > >>> > >>>I wouldn't put a 727 in my Jeep either... I've replaced too > >>>many in my FSJs. I am totally disillusioned with "elephant" power, > >>>at least in the Jeep versions. I want an overdrive tranny... > >>>I've been in overdrive... I can't go back... :) > >>> > >>>The Nissan 3.3L is an ok Diesel, but seriously underpowered. > >>>I'd rather use a Mercedes Diesel if I was going with underpowered. :) > >>> > >>>I like the AW4 transmissions... And as a fall back I could use > >>>my old world class T-5 that was behind my 4.2L... although I > >>>really want (and need) an Automatic... :( > >>> > >>>john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1519 **********************************