From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 6 19:44:32 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, August 7 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1524 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... [db] '67 Fintail 200D Re: [db] '67 Fintail 200D Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Re: [db] '67 Fintail 200D Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Re: fsj: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels [db] Good Choice? '95 E300 RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:14:17 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. We need some measurements: - top of valve covers - widest part. - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of the fan. - - which side is the oil sump on? any pictures of one? thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:16:35 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels also, need the location/dimensions of the motor mounts to the bottom of the block... any pictures or links to pictures will be greatly appreciated... thanx, john john meister wrote: > I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. > > We need some measurements: > > - top of valve covers - widest part. > - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner > - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of > the fan. > > - which side is the oil sump on? > any pictures of one? > > thanx, > john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:46:12 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... actually the chevy small block isn't as robust as one would think... unless you have the four bolt main... and of course the 5.7L Diesel was derived from the Oldsmobile Rocket 350. :) john Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: > Let's not forget that the little VW Rabbit diesel engine was derived > from their gasser. GM just did it wrong, because everyone knows, > regardless of our marque preferences, that the Chevy smallblock V8 is > basically one heck of a robust and flexible design. > > Alec > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:43 AM >>To: Jim Hoffman >>Cc: john meister; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... >> >> >>On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 08:27:11AM -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >>>Well, I guess I'm still angry with GM and the way they >> >>single handedly >> >>>killed the diesel market with that stupid modified gas 350. I >>>REFUSE to buy ANYTHING from them! AND, it appears that the other >>>options are better anyway ;) >> >>Heh. Now for the real kicker. The Cornbinder 6.9/7.3 and powerstroke, >>all of which share the same basic block (save bore and stroke >>differences) >>started life as a gasoline engine, and was later converted to diesel. >> >>Granted, it wasn't a car gas engine, but a medium duty truck >>engine, but >>it was a gasser just the same. :) >> >>K >> >>-- >>Kevin Pekarek >>Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >>Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:11:09 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] '67 Fintail 200D http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/38293601.html just looking for a Diesel engine and stumbled upon this... :) john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:15:09 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] '67 Fintail 200D I own a 220Sb gasser of 1964 vintage, paid all of 2000 for it in excellent operating condition but with rough interior. Seems to me that the price he is asking may be pretty fair if it is as good as cited. Won't be able to pass a UPS truck much less a kid on a bicycle with it though. Not sure you want to put a 4 pot in the Jeep. ;-) Edward john meister wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/38293601.html > > just looking for a Diesel engine and stumbled upon this... :) > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 07:21:03 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels John: Give me a couple of days and I should be able to get you some dimensions. BTW do NOT buy any 6.5 turbo with block that was manufactured in 99, 00 or early 01, GM had a real problem with the block castings, some of the #8 cylinder walls were weak (thin) and could crack. Older are OK and newer are OK. Edward john meister wrote: > I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. > > We need some measurements: > > - top of valve covers - widest part. > - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner > - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of > the fan. > > - which side is the oil sump on? > any pictures of one? > > thanx, > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '67 Fintail 200D oh, no, there was NO thought of using the powerplant (is it safe to call it such? :) in my Jeep... I just thought someone on the list might be interested... could take a look see and take pictures if anyone is interested. :) john On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->I own a 220Sb gasser of 1964 vintage, paid all of 2000 for it in >-->excellent operating condition but with rough interior. Seems to me that >-->the price he is asking may be pretty fair if it is as good as cited. >--> Won't be able to pass a UPS truck much less a kid on a bicycle with it >-->though. Not sure you want to put a 4 pot in the Jeep. ;-) >-->Edward >--> >-->john meister wrote: >--> >-->> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/38293601.html >-->> >-->> just looking for a Diesel engine and stumbled upon this... :) >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels thanx... I may have found a pickup with a 6.2L that is affordale. I like the idea of a 6.5L, but not sure what that's going to cost yet... 6.2's I've had, know and feel comfortable with, the 6.5's I've heard some stories, my neighbor had one, got rid of it... checking with a friend who has run several dealerships in the area... should call him now... :) john On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->John: >--> >-->Give me a couple of days and I should be able to get you some >-->dimensions. BTW do NOT buy any 6.5 turbo with block that was >-->manufactured in 99, 00 or early 01, GM had a real problem with the block >-->castings, some of the #8 cylinder walls were weak (thin) and could >-->crack. Older are OK and newer are OK. >--> >-->Edward >--> >-->john meister wrote: >--> >-->> I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. >-->> >-->> We need some measurements: >-->> >-->> - top of valve covers - widest part. >-->> - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner >-->> - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of >-->> the fan. >-->> >-->> - which side is the oil sump on? >-->> any pictures of one? >-->> >-->> thanx, >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:12:16 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Jim Blair wrote: > They use the same mounts as Chev as far as I know. Which Jim, you worry me when you qualify stuff with "as far as I know"... :) but in this case knowing GM, you're probably right.... I hope... ;) > means the Chev motor mount adapter kit that http://www.bjsoffroad.com sells will check it out... might even take the time to visit him on my way down to centralia... or is he pretty far off of I-5? > should work for this PER, uh.... CONversion! I would suggest going to 3" now be nice... you're just jealous that I'm building an FSJ that I can actually afford to drive daily... ;) > front lift springs to counterbalance the extra weight of the diesel. yeah, going from a 4.2L to a 6.2/6.5L could add a few pounds, eh? ;) > Personally, I would go with the Duramax version (It's a joint GM/Isuzu > engine with aluminum heads that has a proven track record that is much > lighter than most diesel V8s) If I had your money and good looks I would go that way too... ;) I'm trying to do this within a bit of a budget... I'll be lucky if I can afford a good 6.2L... even luckier if I can score a solid 6.5L... a 6.6L is almost out of the question... not going to spend more for an engine than I did for my Mercedes. ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:42:54 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:12:16AM -0700, john meister wrote: > Jim Blair wrote: > >They use the same mounts as Chev as far as I know. Which > > Jim, you worry me when you qualify stuff with "as far as I know"... :) > but in this case knowing GM, you're probably right.... I hope... ;) They do. A standard "I wanna put a Chevy in my jeep" kit will get the job done. You will have to convert to hydroboost, since the vacuum pump is barely enough to shift a TH400. That done, the valve cover clearance with the power booster is a non issue. I've seen 6.2s put in wagoneers, it's a clean fit. > now be nice... you're just jealous that I'm building an FSJ that I can > actually afford to drive daily... ;) Well, before the 112 mile commute appeared, the 74 cherokee with straight six easily fit that requirement. > >front lift springs to counterbalance the extra weight of the diesel. > > yeah, going from a 4.2L to a 6.2/6.5L could add a few pounds, eh? ;) Yes. Do as you would do with a big block for the 6.2. The 6.2 is less than 100 lbs heavier than a 454. A 6.5 is heavier, as they beefed up the block some to deal with the higher GVW requirements and the factory turbo. If you get a 6.5L, make sure it has the mechanical injection pump - aka a DB2. if anyone asks you're putting it in a 93 pickup and don't want to deal with adding a computer. Besides, the electronic injector pump is junk, and didn't get sorted out until the end. > I'm trying to do this within a bit of a budget... I'll be lucky if I > can afford a good 6.2L... even luckier if I can score a solid 6.5L... a > 6.6L is almost out of the question... not going to spend more for an engine > than I did for my Mercedes. ;) Yeah. He needs to save money to stuff an OM617 in his baby cherokee :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:47:55 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels I have a 96 6.5L TD in my Suburban. I've been fairly disappointed with the mileage. I'm only getting about 16 mpg on the highway, and 13-14 mpg around town. I've installed new injectors, new FSD (Fuel solenoid Driver) and FSD Cooler mod, but it didn't help much. Haven't investigated further, but I understand that 18-19 mpg is about as good as they get for others. Maybe I'm wrong....and maybe something is wrong with my engine, but it runs good, has good power, and is consistent :) It has quite good power compared to a 6.2L, but you may get better mileage with the 6.2. R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:14 PM To: 'dbl'; xj; fsj list; curtis Subject: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. We need some measurements: - top of valve covers - widest part. - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of the fan. - - which side is the oil sump on? any pictures of one? thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:07:13 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels It's the 2500, with 4x4. Not sure which gears, but I think it's the tow package gears. It runs about 2250 RPM at 70 mph... - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Aimino [mailto:maimino-at-alltel.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:03 PM To: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels 1500 or 2500? Are you running the 3.42, 3.73, or 4.10 gears? The 18mpg rating is for the 1500 running 3.42 gears, IIRC. > I have a 96 6.5L TD in my Suburban. I've been fairly disappointed > with the mileage. I'm only getting about 16 mpg on the highway, and > 13-14 mpg around town. I've installed new injectors, new FSD (Fuel > solenoid Driver) and FSD Cooler mod, but it didn't help much. Haven't > investigated further, but I understand that 18-19 mpg is about as good > as they get for others. Maybe I'm wrong....and maybe something is > wrong with my engine, but it runs good, has good power, and is > consistent :) It has quite good power compared to a 6.2L, but you may > get better mileage with the 6.2. > > R, > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:14 PM > To: 'dbl'; xj; fsj list; curtis > Subject: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels > > > I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. > > We need some measurements: > > - top of valve covers - widest part. > - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner > - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of > the fan. > > - which side is the oil sump on? > any pictures of one? > > thanx, > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:03:13 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels 1500 or 2500? Are you running the 3.42, 3.73, or 4.10 gears? The 18mpg rating is for the 1500 running 3.42 gears, IIRC. > I have a 96 6.5L TD in my Suburban. I've been fairly disappointed > with the mileage. I'm only getting about 16 mpg on the highway, and > 13-14 mpg around town. I've installed new injectors, new FSD (Fuel > solenoid Driver) and FSD Cooler mod, but it didn't help much. Haven't > investigated further, but I understand that 18-19 mpg is about as good > as they get for others. Maybe I'm wrong....and maybe something is > wrong with my engine, but it runs good, has good power, and is > consistent :) It has quite good power compared to a 6.2L, but you may > get better mileage with the 6.2. > > R, > Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:14 PM > To: 'dbl'; xj; fsj list; curtis > Subject: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels > > > I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. > > We need some measurements: > > - top of valve covers - widest part. > - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner > - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of > the fan. > > - which side is the oil sump on? > any pictures of one? > > thanx, > john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:27:02 -0400 From: "John Peterson" Subject: [db] Good Choice? '95 E300 I've been trying and trying to find a 300D in decent shape that isn't rotted out here in Rhode Island for 5 months on and off. I found an 95 E300 with 105k miles. It is what is called a "Special Edition". What does this mean and are these good diesels? Looks like it has room under the hood to work in- and no rust. Advice, please. Would this make a first 1st MB diesel? Is 14k a good price for a 95 with 105k? Thanks I look forward to contributing to the list as I learn and play. John Peterson Kingston, RI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:48:39 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels Tow package is 4.10. With 4x4, the mpg should be 14-16mpg. If you want to increase your mpg, you need to change the gear ratio. All the engine mods in the world won't drop your rpms, and rpms have the greatest effect on fuel consumption. Of course, if you drop down to 3.73, you get 16-18mpg, but your tow capacity drops to 6000lbs. 3.42 wasn't an option for the 2500 - not sure if it can be retrofitted, or if it would be wise to do so. The 1500 with 3.42 is supposed to get 19-20 mpg. Standard disclaimers apply, especially YMMV. :) My 1500 Suburban has the old 6.2 diesel with 3.73 - I'm getting about 16 mpg with very gentle driving - never over 55. At 65mph, fuel consumption increases markedly. > It's the 2500, with 4x4. Not sure which gears, but I think it's the > tow package gears. It runs about 2250 RPM at 70 mph... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Aimino [mailto:maimino-at-alltel.net] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 4:03 PM > To: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels > > > 1500 or 2500? Are you running the 3.42, 3.73, or 4.10 gears? The > 18mpg rating is for the 1500 running 3.42 gears, IIRC. > > > I have a 96 6.5L TD in my Suburban. I've been fairly disappointed > > with the mileage. I'm only getting about 16 mpg on the highway, and > > 13-14 mpg around town. I've installed new injectors, new FSD (Fuel > > solenoid Driver) and FSD Cooler mod, but it didn't help much. > > Haven't investigated further, but I understand that 18-19 mpg is > > about as good as they get for others. Maybe I'm wrong....and maybe > > something is wrong with my engine, but it runs good, has good power, > > and is consistent :) It has quite good power compared to a 6.2L, > > but you may get better mileage with the 6.2. > > > > R, > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john meister > > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:14 PM > > To: 'dbl'; xj; fsj list; curtis > > Subject: [db] need measurements from 6.2 and 6.5L GM Diesels > > > > > > I'm looking at using a GM 6.5L Turbo Diesel in my '83 J10 stepside. > > > > We need some measurements: > > > > - top of valve covers - widest part. > > - from bottom of oil pan to top of intake/air cleaner > > - from back of engine block (nearest the firewall) to the front of > > the fan. > > > > - which side is the oil sump on? > > any pictures of one? > > > > thanx, > > john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1524 **********************************