From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 10 13:48:42 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 10 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1528 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only when warm Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Re: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only when warm Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... [db] OM616 rings [db] engine oil - infamous subject Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: RE: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only when warm Yup, I second that... I did my 300td and swapped out the front motor mounts (it was doing EXACTLY what you described) it made a huge difference. I did not do the rear though and really wish I had. It still rattles a bit and now I have to get back under there and do it again! ... - --- derick amburgey wrote: > Check your engine mounts before going any further. > > I had a couple go bad on the same engine. I could > pull chunks of rubber out > of it. > > There are 2 in the front and one back at the tranny. > > Derick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Ditwiler [mailto:eric_ditwiler-at-HMC.Edu] > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:03 AM > To: Diesel Benz List (E-mail) > Subject: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only > when warm > > > Hi: > > My 1982 300 CD Turbo that has been to the moon and a > third of the way > home 320,000 has started shaking at idle after it > has warmed up. I > have changed the fuel filters, adjusted the valves, > and installed the > new type rack dampner bolt. The shaking only > happens at a dead stop > and is worse with the A/C off than when it is on. > > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions? > > --Eric > > > Eric Ditwiler, Assistant Dean > Harvey Mudd College > 301 E. 12 Street, Claremont, CA 91711 > > 909-607-3134 > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release > Date: 7/29/2004 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release > Date: 7/29/2004 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:36:19 -0700 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel > If they can do it, we can do it...any idea what sort of filter to use? > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PAI/is_6_35/ai_110459244 > > Mike Frank I think that environmentally speaking, this may actually be a bad idea. There is all kinds of nasty stuff in used oil, especially from a diesel engine: acids, solids, soot, and probably the only stuff really good for running the used oil through the fuel system, unburned fuel. If you want to risk running sharp soot particles and acids through your fuel pump, go right ahead. I have a toilet paper filter system for both my engine oil and fuel, and still wouldn't risk it in my MBZ. Diesel "Shoot, I gots enough smoke shooting out the back already" Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only when warm Not sure on your engine, but on mine it was a peice of cake. I psyched myself out thinking it was going to be a big job, but it only took about an hour and a half or so and changing the glow plugs was a harder job... Found the hard point on the oil pan, jacked up the motor and swapped out the mounts. Do one at a time so you don't loose the alignment with the bolts holes. Also watch the vacume lines at the bulkhead at the rear of the motor. I think I jacked my engine up too high and pintched one. Now I get a slight vacume leak on and off... - --- steve d wrote: > how long did the job take? They look difficult to > remove to me what with > those oil cooler & a/c lines in the way > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hue wong" > To: ; "'Eric Ditwiler'" > > Cc: "'[db]'" > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:02 PM > Subject: RE: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only > when warm > > > > Yup, I second that... > > > > I did my 300td and swapped out the front motor > mounts > > (it was doing EXACTLY what you described) it made > a > > huge difference. I did not do the rear though and > > really wish I had. It still rattles a bit and now > I > > have to get back under there and do it again! > > > > ... > > > > --- derick amburgey wrote: > > > > > Check your engine mounts before going any > further. > > > > > > I had a couple go bad on the same engine. I > could > > > pull chunks of rubber out > > > of it. > > > > > > There are 2 in the front and one back at the > tranny. > > > > > > Derick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Eric Ditwiler > [mailto:eric_ditwiler-at-HMC.Edu] > > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:03 AM > > > To: Diesel Benz List (E-mail) > > > Subject: [db] OM 617.952 shakes at idle but only > > > when warm > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > My 1982 300 CD Turbo that has been to the moon > and a > > > third of the way > > > home 320,000 has started shaking at idle after > it > > > has warmed up. I > > > have changed the fuel filters, adjusted the > valves, > > > and installed the > > > new type rack dampner bolt. The shaking only > > > happens at a dead stop > > > and is worse with the A/C off than when it is > on. > > > > > > Anybody have any ideas or suggestions? > > > > > > --Eric > > > > > > > > > Eric Ditwiler, Assistant Dean > > > Harvey Mudd College > > > 301 E. 12 Street, Claremont, CA 91711 > > > > > > 909-607-3134 > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release > > > Date: 7/29/2004 > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release > > > Date: 7/29/2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other > providers! > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 22:26:02 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:36:19 -0700 "Dan Jacobs" writes: > > If they can do it, we can do it...any idea what sort of filter to > use? Interesting that you should mention this.....I am planning to give it a try at some point in the (hopefully near) future. I am planning on purchasing a Racor 600 series spin-on filter, and I am planning on using a 1- or 2-micron cartridge. (I know they make 2, but I'd like to get smaller maybe.) Truthfully, I doubt anything smaller than 10 microns would hurt anything, but I don't want to push my luck. One thing I plan to at least try to do is settle the oil. I plan to mix the used oil with diesel fuel to lower the viscosity (I figure a 25% diesel fuel 75% oil mixture should have a viscosity close to the diesel fuel.) This should also relax the additive packages that disperse/grab particles and let them settle. But since I am planning on adding another tank for the stuff, I may just shoot some through right out of the oil dumpster and see how long the Racor takes to plug. I figure that with diesel fuel at almost $1.80 per gallon, it won't take too many gallons of motor oil going through instead to pay for the spin-on filter element. I think they cost between 5 and 25 dollars, so after the first 2-8 gallons, I'm saving money. I figure it's worth a try. I know the stuff burns stinkin' hot, and I have heard of people burning it as heat fuel; why not try it as a motor fuel? > > > > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PAI/is_6_35/ai_110459244 > > > > Mike Frank > > I think that environmentally speaking, this may actually be a bad > idea. > There is all kinds of nasty stuff in used oil, especially from a > diesel > engine: acids, solids, soot, and probably the only stuff really > good for > running the used oil through the fuel system, unburned fuel. > You a tree-hugger? If so, I have a really huggable tree that I am planning to cut down......come hug it while I cut........ > If you want to risk running sharp soot particles and acids through > your fuel > pump, go right ahead. I have a toilet paper filter system for both > my > engine oil and fuel, and still wouldn't risk it in my MBZ. > This would be my only concern, but as I said, I think that the Racor should grab enough particles to make it a non-concern. BTW, what's a TP filter? > Diesel "Shoot, I gots enough smoke shooting out the back already" > Dan Love these diesels...... Jason ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:27:27 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... As far as heavy goes, you do want to watch it with a front engine setup.........but if you could figure out a good way to create a mid-engine setup........8>) ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:45:26 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: [db] OM616 rings OK, so how hard would it be to replace nothing but the timing chain and the rings? This plus a valve job would probably make it run fine for quite some time more....I don't think anything is coming loose inside, but that is easy enough to check with the pan off and the pistons out. If I round up all the parts and pieces, should I be able to do it all in one day? I like this car, and want it to be well and live long....... Jason ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:24:48 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] engine oil - infamous subject Hello Diesel Friends, many thanks for the advice offered recently. Chevron would be my first choice but, so far, have not found it Toronto area. Costco does not carry it either in Canada. As I have access to a 2-post hoist considering changing the transmission fluid myself. Read up on it and I should be able to do it. Only concern is the drainage plug of the torque converter. Instructions say to turn engine until accessible. Would be able to turn engine with the starter only. Is this the way to go??? Thanks in advance for some advice. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:05:20 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Diesel dreamin'... the technical aspects... someone called me from San Diego... seems he has three Benz Diesels, put one into a Land Cruiser and is working on putting one into a YJ. He was checking with me to see if I had found an adapter... He weighed the 5 cylinder Diesel... 700lbs with accessories! john Jason R Bassett wrote: > As far as heavy goes, you do want to watch it with a front engine > setup.........but if you could figure out a good way to create a > mid-engine setup........8>) > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1528 **********************************