From john-at-wagoneers.com Tue Aug 10 22:27:38 2004 From: john meister ould hide back there pretty easy... actually, I lost a full size pickup back there for awhile.... ;) that extra 3.5" of lift really added some wind drag too... Had to stop for gas a few exits from home... rofl... >> One thing that might be a good idea would be to put a ground wire from > the box to the frame, probably in the same location as one of the ground > wires I installed last night. If it had not been so late I would > probably have thought of it and just done it. sounds like a good plan. Will get some additional lights to mount on the box as we talked about last night. :) and I'll figure out a "honda" catcher for the back... > > So have you shown your wife/neighbors yet? Have you taken video of your > wife or you riding on it? not yet, went out and raised it all the way up just now so I can put the charger on the battery... and of course show it off to my wife... waiting for my farmer neighbor to wander over or call. ;) He's excited about it... might get some more tractor work out of it. :) he's got a number of projects going on over at his house that he can use it for. We're going to have a blast playing with his tractor and my new dump truck. :) I do have a number of pictures in my camera... will upload later, have to run some errands and then teach tonight... will post tomorrow probably. :) > So, does this thing still have the same attraction that it did last > night, or you wondering how much you must have had to drink (Or paint > vapors inhaled)to bring that thing home with you? :) you got that right... ;) still have a headache from those fumes... ;) This thing is better then expected... we'll need to figure out all the parts, document the process and sell the plans/kits to folks that want to do this... you did a great job of engineering this thing. It towed well and functions flawlessly. > How was the "Wobble of death"? Did it rear it's ugly head? negatory.... must have been that loose bolt... should have known after finding that vice grip clamped to my shock tower. :) guess I'll return that new trackbar today... funny how loosening that bolt in the driveway and then driving back into your shop stopped the clunking... saved me a lot of work and money. :) > > Getting ready to Olympia. Kids had me up by 7:am. I think I am going > to be running in granny gear all day. yikes... I didn't get to bed until 6am, got a call at 8am... turns out my appointment got cancelled for this morning! :( ...back to sleep, another call at noon... got up and have to teach tonight... I wish I had a granny gear... I'm using low range right now... ;) Negotiating on that Suburan right now... the salesman is going to drive it over on Sunday... he fired it up and I listened in while he started it... some white smoke on startup... I'm guessing valve seals or maybe a weak injector or a bad glow plug as it clears up right away... no indication of bubbles in the coolant, tailpipe is clean... shifts good... sounds like a winner. It'll come home on Sunday if we get it all together. :) Guess I'll be forced to drive that 6.2L in the Suburan until the cab is extended and the Curtis & John's Monster Garage has a stall open... ;) Have a nice trip to Olympia... I'll be heading down to Renton in a few hours for class... looks like I'll have to swing around on I-5 as I-405 in Bellevue is under serious construction for a few weeks... glad it's only one night a week... later, john > LAter, > Curtis > john meister wrote: > >> got home around 5am... stopped a couple of times... gassed up in >> mountlake terrace, >> my power steering cap disappeared... I noticed some oil on the trailer >> and thought >> maybe I was leaking engine oil, noticed the cap was gone... :) >> >> also had NO trailer lights... I think I blew a fuse some where around >> Tacoma or >> so because the power/comfort switch also quit working... >> >> brakes seemed to work ok... tested it down the hill and a few times at >> lights... :) >> >> thanx, >> john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:38:32 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] Weight of 5 cyl Benz diesel engine John Meister wrote: someone called me from San Diego... seems he has three Benz Diesels, put one into a Land Cruiser and is working on putting one into a YJ. He was checking with me to see if I had found an adapter... He weighed the 5 cylinder Diesel... 700lbs with accessories! John, would that be the 602 engine?? Found an ADAC Test and they said that this engine is uncivilized at the mid range rpms Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:04:31 GMT From: "mjmason-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel I learned that the Police and Public Works depts. in the town where I grew up (in northern suburbs of NYC) burned used motor oil from the squads in a furnace, heating the maintenance garages where said units were serviced... Well-filtered, I guess? Coming from gassers I can't imagine it smelled great or did much for the lungs, but I guess if diesels can run on heating oil I shouldn't be surprised... Not to take us too far off topic, but how could this work? - -Matt in IL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:24:33 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Weight of 5 cyl Benz diesel engine I'll check... heading off to teach a class tonight... later, john wmpless wrote: > John Meister wrote: > someone called me from San Diego... seems he has three Benz Diesels, > put one into a Land Cruiser and is working on putting one into a YJ. > > He was checking with me to see if I had found an adapter... > > He weighed the 5 cylinder Diesel... 700lbs with accessories! > > > John, would that be the 602 engine?? > > Found an ADAC Test and they said that this engine is uncivilized at the mid > range rpms > > Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:27:49 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: Did you ever do the J10-Benz Diesel conversion? What model engine was it that you said weighed 700lbs? nice talking with you... ttyl, john MacGyver wrote: > I caught a blur about the 3.0 that you wanted to do into your J10 > I have 4 benz turbos and want to transplant one into my 4.2 YJ wrangler. > Then run it on higher cetane Veggie grease (free) > Any info on the tranny adaptor needed or was it a simple steel plate > made/mating them ? > Mike > > > MacGyver > S/V Alura II _(\_ ~ > Yahoo! Mail > > - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:05:24 -0400 From: "John Peterson" Subject: [db] Buying First Diesel Tomorrow, What to Look For? I am previewing a 1995 E300D tomorrow. It will be my first Diesel. I'm coming from the world of Saab 900's for a long time. I've been monitoring this list and keeping an eye out for about 6 months now. I driving tomorrow 2.5 hours to see a '95 E300D that is supposed to be in super shape. It's at a MB dealership, a 1 owner trade for another diesel. 108k on the clock. What specific items should I look carefully at? I will be buying it with no guarantee from the MB dealer- so I want to know what to look for when I take it for a spin. Thanks for the kind advice and knowledge of this board. John Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel mjmason-at-juno.com wrote: > > I learned that the Police and Public Works depts. in the town where I grew > -up (in northern suburbs of NYC) burned used motor oil from the squads in > -a furnace, heating the maintenance garages where said units were > -serviced... Well-filtered, I guess? Coming from gassers I can't imagine > -it smelled great or did much for the lungs, but I guess if diesels can > -run on heating oil I shouldn't be surprised... Not to take us too far off > -topic, but how could this work? Matt in IL > *** I think that a well-designed burner assembly can burn (whatever) a lot cleaner than a piston-cylinder assembly, that is constantly changing in size and shape, and surrounded by cold metal. Basically, it can really burn the bejezus out of the fuel, with plenty of air to insure complete combustion. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:19:17 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel I think there are a few incorrect assumptions here. Whatever fuel you burn will burn cleanly and mostly odor free if it's atomized, and supplied with enough air. As to extraneous content. Your cylinders already have soot, no problem there. Anything that might cause damage would have to pass through multiple filters: the primary oil filter, bypass filter, through the fuel pickup sock, and finally through the two fuel filters. Any water would likely be trapped in the main fuel filter, and any water or antifreeze would mean your engine is dying anyway. More abrasive? Not really...the soot acts like a dry lubricant, like graphite, and the oil is still slippery. Your pump will never sound smoother. The real problem is that you're not paying road tax. A legal alternative would be to use it for heating fuel. Most of your used oil will end it's life as bunker and boiler fuel, anyway. There are waste oil furnaces sold for use in garages. Did you think it was all recycled? http://www.cleanburn.com/ http://tinyurl.com/6v8qy Mike Frank At 07:04 PM 8/10/2004, mjmason-at-juno.com wrote: >I learned that the Police and Public Works depts. in the town where I grew >up (in northern suburbs of NYC) burned used motor oil from the squads in a >furnace, heating the maintenance garages where said units were serviced... >Well-filtered, I guess? Coming from gassers I can't imagine it smelled >great or did much for the lungs, but I guess if diesels can run on heating >oil I shouldn't be surprised... Not to take us too far off topic, but how >could this work? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:39:21 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Buying First Diesel Tomorrow, What to Look For? since it's at a dealer I'd ask them for a full inspection to identify any worn or aging parts that might become a problem later on. If they're reputable they should have one of their mechanics go through it, or report what he found... no warranty isn't a big deal on an older vehicle. normal stuff to look for, does the heat heat, ac ac, locks lock, brakes brake, windows window, stereo stereo and so on... :) it doesn't sound like there will be maintenance issues... be prepared to know what the price range is... or should be... kbb.com, nada.com, edmunds.com... remember they'll be all over the place, it's just a guide... what's the asking price? john John Peterson wrote: > I am previewing a 1995 E300D tomorrow. It will be my first Diesel. I'm > coming from the world of Saab 900's for a long time. I've been monitoring > this list and keeping an eye out for about 6 months now. > > I driving tomorrow 2.5 hours to see a '95 E300D that is supposed to be in > super shape. It's at a MB dealership, a 1 owner trade for another diesel. > 108k on the clock. > > What specific items should I look carefully at? I will be buying it with no > guarantee from the MB dealer- so I want to know what to look for when I take > it for a spin. > > Thanks for the kind advice and knowledge of this board. > > John Peterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:24:48 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel writes: > I learned that the Police and Public Works depts. in the town where I > grew up (in northern suburbs of NYC) burned used motor oil from the > squads in a furnace, heating the maintenance garages where said > units were serviced... Well-filtered, I guess? Coming from gassers > I can't imagine it smelled great or did much for the lungs, but I > guess if diesels can run on heating oil I shouldn't be surprised... > Not to take us too far off topic, but how could this work? > -Matt in IL I know exactly how it can work. There are basically two ways, and both of them can be used for "conventional" fuels as well. One is the very simple wick approach , the other is sorta to build a carburetor and shoot the stuff through it. Either way you get boatloads of heat from a free fuel. Get Mother Earth News' "Handbook of Homemade Energy" for more cool stuff. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:05:23 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Matt, Your police and public works depts probably saved money on mechanic pensions. Waste oil heaters have changed considerably (mostly disappeared) since we started paying attention to the pollution they caused. Diesels run on a wide range of fuels--coal oil, heating oil, 3-in-One oil, waste vegetable oil, ATF, motor oil, extra virgin olive oil, ... . Different fuels offer advantages and disadvantages. Cooking quality oils are probably best but tend to be expensive. 'Used' oils must be filtered but are often free. Used cooking oil is great at temperatures above gel point but used motor oil may be extremely harmful to the environment. Killing a few mosquitoes is one thing but neighbors suffering asthma attacks is another. The military is exempt from such considerations. Bio-diesel can be made in the back yard but involves lye, heating and agitating, not difficult or expensive but takes some work. Commercial bio-diesel is still very expensive (takes more oil to produce than it yields). Heating oil is illegal to use in cars. Petro-diesel is relatively cheap, easy to obtain but harder on environment than some alternatives. I expect oil prices will reach the point it will be common to run bio/petro-diesel mix in the future. MBs safely use a wide range of fuels, but not all cars can. Some diesels depend on the fuel to lubricate injector pumps. You don't want hoses or seals that can't handle alternative fuels dissolving and gumming up the whole fuel system. Be careful of reactive components in waste oils; getting a few hundred extra miles by burning your old motor oil but destroying injectors in the process is unwise. Be sure you filter and remove any water from potential alternatives to commercial diesel fuel. When your diesel smells of French fries, people stop saying it stinks. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of mjmason-at-juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:05 PM To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel I learned that the Police and Public Works depts. in the town where I grew up (in northern suburbs of NYC) burned used motor oil from the squads in a furnace, heating the maintenance garages where said units were serviced... Well-filtered, I guess? Coming from gassers I can't imagine it smelled great or did much for the lungs, but I guess if diesels can run on heating oil I shouldn't be surprised... Not to take us too far off topic, but how could this work? - -Matt in IL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1529 ********************************** From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 10 21:40:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from krusty-motorsports.com (krusty-motorsports.com [192.94.170.8]) by virtual-cafe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i7B4elDC031653 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:40:47 -0700 Received: from majordomo by krusty-motorsports.com with local (Exim 4.22) id 1BulJ7-0000Vh-OE for diesel-benz-digest-outgoing-at-digest.net; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:05:49 +0000 From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1529 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:05:49 +0000 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 949 diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 11 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1529 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] engine oil - infamous subject [db] Re: OM616 rings Subject: Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel [db] Re: made it... we have lift off... or up... ;) [db] Weight of 5 cyl Benz diesel engine Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Re: [db] Weight of 5 cyl Benz diesel engine [db] Re: Did you ever do the J10-Benz Diesel conversion? [db] Buying First Diesel Tomorrow, What to Look For? Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Re: [db] Buying First Diesel Tomorrow, What to Look For? Re: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel RE: [db] Army uses used motor oil as fuel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:10:11 -0700 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: Re: [db] engine oil - infamous subject > Hello Diesel Friends, > many thanks for the advice offered recently. Chevron would be my first choice > but, so far, have not found it Toronto area. > Costco does not carry it either in Canada. > As I have access to a 2-post hoist considering changing the transmission fluid > myself. Read up on it and I should be able to do it. Only concern is the > drainage plug of the torque converter. Instructions say to turn engine until > accessible. > Would be able to turn engine with the starter only. Is this the way to go??? > Thanks in advance for some advice. Wiard For oil, you could also look for Shell Rotella, or Valvoline Premium Blue. Diesel "Lubrication is the key" Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:34:29 -0500 From: Flash Subject: [db] Re: OM616 rings > OK, so how hard would it be to replace nothing but the timing chain and > the rings? This plus a valve job would probably make it run fine for > quite some time more....I don't think anything is coming loose inside, > but that is easy enough to check with the pan off and the pistons out. If > I round up all the parts and pieces, should I be able to do it all in one > day? I like this car, and want it to be well and live long....... > > Jason Rings mean bottom end is taken completely apart. That is a bunch of put back together. Run the diesel purge direct in the fuel filter, do the valve adjust, then drive it like it is a getaway car - which is generically called an italian tuneup. DanG '81 240D with clutch 365kmiles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:55:11 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon"