From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Aug 16 07:22:36 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, August 16 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1534 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 300TD saga RE: [db] Tune up [db] Kitty RE: [db] Tune up Re: [db] Tune up Re: [db] Tune up Re: [db] Tune up Re: [db] Tune up Re: [db] Tune up [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) Re: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) RE: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:33:52 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 300TD saga Junot wrote: >> u might find this link of interest ... >> http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/militaryproduction.htm COOL!!! A diesel bike with USMC stamped on it! Who said the Marines were backwards?? Jon Former Sgt./USMC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:15:13 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: [db] Tune up Justin, Tune-ups are for gassers. Just follow maintenance manual to replace fluids, filters and check for wear. And, of course, repair anything that breaks. Older diesels, without hydraulic lifters, need valve adjustment every 15k miles. Other recommendations: Check timing chain for stretch occasionally; be sure you replace that before it breaks. It's a good idea to change brake fluid each spring and change coolant every few years, too. Don't know about the fitting--probably does have to do with heater. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Justin H Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 4:11 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Tune up Hello everyone, Enjoying this weather I hope. Anyways, I have completed all important work on my 190 as of yesterday (Finally got my new Brake lens installed) And the beuty is ready for Emissions (I hope) and fresh tabs. I will then be taking her on her fist road trip to White River. I just wanted to make sure that she was up to par, Tuned up, etc. However being this is my first Diesel I am not completely familiar with all that Im looking for. Keeping in mind that She has been ran only a few times (Recently) in the last 2 years, can you all contribute to a list of tune-up procedures, And anything else I might like to look out for. Also, I have noticed a small leak coming from a Fitting I am unfamiliar with. It is a coolant line coming out of my Engine block on the rear right side, I am pretty sure it goes into my heater core. Any help is appreciated. TIA, Justin _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:42:57 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: [db] Kitty Katie has unofficially changed her name to Kitty....must check with fiancee before finalzing it, but I lost my cat, and she always liked my cat. Anyhow, some stuff........ 1. I have got to do the valves.....I think that one is starting to klunk sometimes. Tomorrow for sure. Anyhow, any tricks? Last time I adjusted only the 3 exhaust valves that were tight, and it took me at least half an hour for those three. Of course, the first half of that was figuring out what in the world to do to them. Anything that would make a complete valve job quicker would be appreciated. 2. I do wish to replace the timing chain, or at least measure the stretch, but I can't get to the crankshaft to turn it; I think this is a result of a slight bend in the front from her deer experience. I guess I will have to take something off so I can get at it. What would be best? Also, if I replace it, how can I get the master-link sweller without shelling out 120 bucks to buy one? A harley shop? 3. The alignment on the front is obviously off. I can see the adjustment crankers, and they should be crankable^Wthey look good. But how can I know that I have it right? It is so far off on the right side that I know I can make it better by eyeballing it, but I would like to get it right. (Right now I think the left one is close and the right one is actually toed-out because I have to hold the wheel a bit left to go straight and the front tires are feathering, but particularly the right one.) Maybe the Haynes will tel me what I need to know when I look tomorrow, but I would appreciate some advice. And no, I am not taking it in........that would be very much against my DIY spirit. Thanks for the help that you guys are. Any response to this will have to come by about dinnertime eastern tomorrow to do any good; please don't desert my kitty to my uneducated wrenches..... Jason ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:39:14 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Tune up So do we say "tune-ups are for gassers" the same way one says "drugs are for losers"? ;-) Justin, If you're looking for suggestions for what to take with you on the trip, I say bring extra fuel and oil filters, especially fuel filter if the car hasn't been driven hard for a long time. Also wouldn't hurt to bring a spare serpentine belt, just so you don't find yourself trying to hunt one down in the middle of diesel-Benz nowhere. Other than that, sounds like you're doing fine. Expect the motor to improve in drivability over the first 2 or 3 thousand miles of lead-footed driving. If you don't drive her with a heavy foot, you're being unkind to her. The hose you mention sounds similar to the one on my W124 gasser 89 300CE. It's a coolant hose that's fairly short, but it has a lot of formed curves to fit around the back of the engine and the oil filter. Mine connects to some black plastic coolant distribution thingy up high on the firewall, and I had to replace the hose within the last year when it sprung a leak. I just couldn't reach it to try to patch it up. I would recommend you pony up and replace that hose with a new one from the dealer (or one of our mail-order vendors) before the trip. At the very least, get everything nice and hot and pressurized, then pop the hood and check that hose for active leaks under pressure. At least it's much more likely to be the hose than any fittings. Have a safe and enjoyable trip, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 173K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Sam Williams > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:15 PM > To: 'Justin H'; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: [db] Tune up > > > Justin, > > Tune-ups are for gassers. > > Just follow maintenance manual to replace fluids, filters and check for > wear. And, of course, repair anything that breaks. Older > diesels, without > hydraulic lifters, need valve adjustment every 15k miles. > > Other recommendations: Check timing chain for stretch > occasionally; be sure > you replace that before it breaks. It's a good idea to change brake fluid > each spring and change coolant every few years, too. > > Don't know about the fitting--probably does have to do with heater. > > Sam > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On > Behalf Of Justin H > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 4:11 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] Tune up > > Hello everyone, Enjoying this weather I hope. Anyways, I have > completed all > important work on my 190 as of yesterday (Finally got my new Brake lens > installed) And the beuty is ready for Emissions (I hope) and > fresh tabs. I > will then be taking her on her fist road trip to White River. I > just wanted > to make sure that she was up to par, Tuned up, etc. However being > this is my > > first Diesel I am not completely familiar with all that Im looking for. > Keeping in mind that She has been ran only a few times (Recently) in the > last 2 years, can you all contribute to a list of tune-up procedures, And > anything else I might like to look out for. Also, I have noticed a small > leak coming from a Fitting I am unfamiliar with. It is a coolant > line coming > > out of my Engine block on the rear right side, I am pretty sure > it goes into > > my heater core. Any help is appreciated. > > TIA, > > Justin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get ready for school! 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Version: 6.0.736 / Virus Database: 490 - Release Date: 8/9/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:43:24 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Tune up Alec Cordova wrote: So do we say "tune-ups are for gassers" the same way one says "drugs are for losers"? ;-) Hey, that sounds pretty good... maybe we can refine it a wee bit and after we all agree have the list mom should put that in the list signature file... ;) rofl... first it's spark plugs, then it's the hard stuff... ;) dieseljohn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Tune up john meister wrote: > > Alec Cordova wrote: > So do we say > > "tune-ups are for gassers" > the same way one says > "drugs are for losers"? ;-) > *** "Friends don't let Friends Use Gas" - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:41:33 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Tune up rofl... I love it. awesome... reminds me of what my senior pastor had on his big black pickup truck during the elections a few years back: "friends don't let friends vote democrat". :) john Jerome Kaidor wrote: > john meister wrote: > >>Alec Cordova wrote: >> So do we say >> >>"tune-ups are for gassers" >> the same way one says >>"drugs are for losers"? ;-) >> > > *** "Friends don't let Friends Use Gas" > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 23:12:06 -0500 From: "Vernon Tuck" Subject: Re: [db] Tune up Somebody who I thought KNEW me offered to sell me a gasser pickup today. I considered it about as crass as offering a ham sandwich to a Jewish person. VT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:29:10 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] Tune up Vernon Tuck wrote: > Somebody who I thought KNEW me offered to sell me a gasser pickup today. > > I considered it about as crass as offering a ham sandwich to a Jewish > person. > VT Well Vern, when you and I get those Diesel cycles we'll have to do a ride together... ;) Turns out one of my buddies is interested in the GMC Jimmy body... he knows of a rotted out suburban with a gas engine... ;) looks like I'll be getting the axles for my J10 Diesel project via a little horse tradin'. Moral of the story, it helps to have friends with gas... john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:08:39 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) So it went for the NCT this morning (National Car Test) ... it failed on point 5 in the steering catagory . (see the following). Can anyone suggest a fix? Thanks once again! Steve >From the Regulations themselves, i.e. "The Law" Item 43: steering linkage Reasons for refusal: In the case of rack and pinion steering ? (1) a linkage is damaged or insecure. (2) splines are worn or damaged (3) bushes/bearings are excessively worn. (4) excessive end float is present in pinion. (5) obvious stiffness in linkage. (6) steering rack gaiter is insecure, split or missing. (7) steering box suffers form obvious stiffness or bearings are damaged or worn. (8) steering box is damaged or insecure or excessive end float is present in a steering box shaft. (9) axial or radial play is present in the linkage, splines are worn or a shaft is twisted. (10) a drop arm/dra g link is damaged or insecure. (11) a drag link or the track rod ends are obviously worn or insecure. (12) idler assembly mounting is obviously loose, or axial or radial play is present in the assembly. (13) track rod/steering arm is obviously deformed. loose or cracked. (14) 3mm (1/8") or more play is evident at wheel rim on 14" diameter wheel in respect of kin g pin/ bushes; bearings, at wheel rim or another diameter wheel rim displays pro rata play. (l5) excessive lift exists between stub axle and axle beam. (16) stub axle is damaged or bent. (17) a retaining or locking device ( split pin, nut, rivet, weld, etc.) is missing, insecure worn or broken. (18) steering housing is damaged or worn. (19) a mounting bolt for steering housing is missing or loose. (20) any steering component has been repaired by welding. (21) cracks or corrosion are present around attachment points for steering box, rack or idler box. (22) power assistance is not available consistently over full lock to lock range. (23) power assistance is not operating where power steering is a standard fitment by the manufacturer on all vehicles of the type of vehicle being tested. (24) power steering fluid level is below minimum level. (25 ) a power steering fluid pipe is fouling other components. (26) leaks are present in power steering fluid pipes. (27) power steering pump is worn, noisy, leaking or has a defective drive. (28) continuous oil leak is present from steering box/rack/ or steering damper. (29) steering is over or under locking or is fouling any other component on the vehicle. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:00:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) national car test? stiffness in linkage? obviously it's not obvious... did they say which one? or do they have a brother in law that will... ;) john On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->So it went for the NCT this morning (National Car Test) ... it failed on >-->point 5 in the steering catagory . (see the following). Can anyone >-->suggest a fix? >--> >-->Thanks once again! >--> >-->Steve >--> >--> >--> >-->>From the Regulations themselves, i.e. "The Law" >-->Item 43: steering linkage >--> >-->Reasons for refusal: >--> >-->In the case of rack and pinion steering ? >--> >-->(1) a linkage is damaged or insecure. >--> >-->(2) splines are worn or damaged >--> >-->(3) bushes/bearings are excessively worn. >--> >-->(4) excessive end float is present in pinion. >--> >-->(5) obvious stiffness in linkage. >--> >-->(6) steering rack gaiter is insecure, split or missing. >--> >-->(7) steering box suffers form obvious stiffness or bearings are >-->damaged or worn. >--> >-->(8) steering box is damaged or insecure or excessive end float is >--> >-->present in a steering box shaft. >--> >-->(9) axial or radial play is present in the linkage, splines are worn >-->or a shaft is twisted. >--> >-->(10) a drop arm/dra g link is damaged or insecure. >--> >-->(11) a drag link or the track rod ends are obviously worn or >-->insecure. >--> >-->(12) idler assembly mounting is obviously loose, or axial or radial >-->play is present in the assembly. >--> >-->(13) track rod/steering arm is obviously deformed. loose or cracked. >--> >-->(14) 3mm (1/8") or more play is evident at wheel rim on 14" diameter >-->wheel in respect of kin g pin/ bushes; bearings, at wheel rim or >-->another diameter wheel rim displays pro rata play. >--> >-->(l5) excessive lift exists between stub axle and axle beam. (16) stub >-->axle is damaged or bent. >--> >-->(17) a retaining or locking device ( split pin, nut, rivet, weld, >-->etc.) is missing, insecure worn or broken. >--> >-->(18) steering housing is damaged or worn. >--> >-->(19) a mounting bolt for steering housing is missing or loose. >--> >-->(20) any steering component has been repaired by welding. >--> >-->(21) cracks or corrosion are present around attachment points for >-->steering box, rack or idler box. >--> >-->(22) power assistance is not available consistently over full lock to >-->lock range. >--> >-->(23) power assistance is not operating where power steering is a >-->standard fitment by the manufacturer on all vehicles of the type of >-->vehicle being tested. >--> >-->(24) power steering fluid level is below minimum level. >--> >-->(25 ) a power steering fluid pipe is fouling other components. >--> >-->(26) leaks are present in power steering fluid pipes. >--> >-->(27) power steering pump is worn, noisy, leaking or has a defective >-->drive. >--> >-->(28) continuous oil leak is present from steering box/rack/ or >-->steering damper. >--> >-->(29) steering is over or under locking or is fouling any other >-->component on the vehicle. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:43:17 -0500 From: Subject: RE: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) Are they aware that MB steering tends to be wonderfully stiffer than your average Taurus/Camry/Accord/Pickup? Does the W201 have the same spec as the W123 calling for 1 full inch of steering play at the steering wheel rim when the wheels are centered? As a professional software tester, I'm amazed they can get away with telling you your car failed, but they don't tell you which of the 29 points was the catch. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:01 AM > To: Stephen Rigley > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] '88 190D update (steering linkage) > > > national car test? > > stiffness in linkage? obviously it's not obvious... > > did they say which one? or do they have a brother in law > that will... ;) > > john > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > >-->So it went for the NCT this morning (National Car Test) > ... it failed on > >-->point 5 in the steering catagory . (see the following). Can anyone > >-->suggest a fix? > >--> > >-->Thanks once again! > >--> > >-->Steve > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->>From the Regulations themselves, i.e. "The Law" > >-->Item 43: steering linkage > >--> > >-->Reasons for refusal: > >--> > >-->In the case of rack and pinion steering ? > >--> > >-->(1) a linkage is damaged or insecure. > >--> > >-->(2) splines are worn or damaged > >--> > >-->(3) bushes/bearings are excessively worn. > >--> > >-->(4) excessive end float is present in pinion. > >--> > >-->(5) obvious stiffness in linkage. > >--> > >-->(6) steering rack gaiter is insecure, split or missing. > >--> > >-->(7) steering box suffers form obvious stiffness or bearings are > >-->damaged or worn. > >--> > >-->(8) steering box is damaged or insecure or excessive end float is > >--> > >-->present in a steering box shaft. > >--> > >-->(9) axial or radial play is present in the linkage, > splines are worn > >-->or a shaft is twisted. > >--> > >-->(10) a drop arm/dra g link is damaged or insecure. > >--> > >-->(11) a drag link or the track rod ends are obviously worn or > >-->insecure. > >--> > >-->(12) idler assembly mounting is obviously loose, or axial > or radial > >-->play is present in the assembly. > >--> > >-->(13) track rod/steering arm is obviously deformed. loose > or cracked. > >--> > >-->(14) 3mm (1/8") or more play is evident at wheel rim on > 14" diameter > >-->wheel in respect of kin g pin/ bushes; bearings, at wheel rim or > >-->another diameter wheel rim displays pro rata play. > >--> > >-->(l5) excessive lift exists between stub axle and axle > beam. (16) stub > >-->axle is damaged or bent. > >--> > >-->(17) a retaining or locking device ( split pin, nut, rivet, weld, > >-->etc.) is missing, insecure worn or broken. > >--> > >-->(18) steering housing is damaged or worn. > >--> > >-->(19) a mounting bolt for steering housing is missing or loose. > >--> > >-->(20) any steering component has been repaired by welding. > >--> > >-->(21) cracks or corrosion are present around attachment points for > >-->steering box, rack or idler box. > >--> > >-->(22) power assistance is not available consistently over > full lock to > >-->lock range. > >--> > >-->(23) power assistance is not operating where power steering is a > >-->standard fitment by the manufacturer on all vehicles of > the type of > >-->vehicle being tested. > >--> > >-->(24) power steering fluid level is below minimum level. > >--> > >-->(25 ) a power steering fluid pipe is fouling other components. > >--> > >-->(26) leaks are present in power steering fluid pipes. > >--> > >-->(27) power steering pump is worn, noisy, leaking or has a > defective > >-->drive. > >--> > >-->(28) continuous oil leak is present from steering box/rack/ or > >-->steering damper. > >--> > >-->(29) steering is over or under locking or is fouling any other > >-->component on the vehicle. > >--> > > ---- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1534 **********************************