From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 20 15:12:13 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, August 20 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1538 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Kitty RE: [db] Kitty Re: [db] Kitty [db] Cheap SD in WA Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:06:03 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Kitty Jason, 3. When I was in Tanzania, East Africa, I watched a local mechanic do an alignment using some primitive tools. It basically involved some long, straight poles, with some right angle attachments, which were lined up with the front tires. If you measure the distance between the poles where the front tire is vs. where the end of the long poles are, you can get it pretty close (I think). Even a few centimeters on poles ten feet long would indicate the slightest misalignment of the tires. I think all the shops use lasers and cool modern tools, but I'm sure they cost thousands of dollars to buy them initially. The trick is to figure out how to line the poles up to the tires so that you get an acurate line... DISCLAIMER: I've never done it myself, so I'm not sure how effective it is. Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jason R Bassett Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:43 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Kitty Katie has unofficially changed her name to Kitty....must check with fiancee before finalzing it, but I lost my cat, and she always liked my cat. Anyhow, some stuff........ 1. I have got to do the valves.....I think that one is starting to klunk sometimes. Tomorrow for sure. Anyhow, any tricks? Last time I adjusted only the 3 exhaust valves that were tight, and it took me at least half an hour for those three. Of course, the first half of that was figuring out what in the world to do to them. Anything that would make a complete valve job quicker would be appreciated. 2. I do wish to replace the timing chain, or at least measure the stretch, but I can't get to the crankshaft to turn it; I think this is a result of a slight bend in the front from her deer experience. I guess I will have to take something off so I can get at it. What would be best? Also, if I replace it, how can I get the master-link sweller without shelling out 120 bucks to buy one? A harley shop? 3. The alignment on the front is obviously off. I can see the adjustment crankers, and they should be crankable^Wthey look good. But how can I know that I have it right? It is so far off on the right side that I know I can make it better by eyeballing it, but I would like to get it right. (Right now I think the left one is close and the right one is actually toed-out because I have to hold the wheel a bit left to go straight and the front tires are feathering, but particularly the right one.) Maybe the Haynes will tel me what I need to know when I look tomorrow, but I would appreciate some advice. And no, I am not taking it in........that would be very much against my DIY spirit. Thanks for the help that you guys are. Any response to this will have to come by about dinnertime eastern tomorrow to do any good; please don't desert my kitty to my uneducated wrenches..... Jason ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 09:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Kitty when I was over in Germany the guy that ran the craft shop and I did a front end alignment on my Mustang using a tape measure... :) john On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >-->Jason, >--> >-->3. When I was in Tanzania, East Africa, I watched a local mechanic do >-->an alignment using some primitive tools. It basically involved some >-->long, straight poles, with some right angle attachments, which were >-->lined up with the front tires. If you measure the distance between >-->the poles where the front tire is vs. where the end of the long poles >-->are, you can get it pretty close (I think). Even a few centimeters >-->on poles ten feet long would indicate the slightest misalignment of >-->the tires. I think all the shops use lasers and cool modern tools, >-->but I'm sure they cost thousands of dollars to buy them initially. >--> >-->The trick is to figure out how to line the poles up to the tires so >-->that you get an acurate line... DISCLAIMER: I've never done it myself, >-->so I'm not sure how effective it is. >--> >-->Scott >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jason R Bassett >-->Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:43 PM >-->To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: [db] Kitty >--> >--> >-->Katie has unofficially changed her name to Kitty....must check with >-->fiancee before finalzing it, but I lost my cat, and she always liked my >-->cat. Anyhow, some stuff........ >--> >-->1. I have got to do the valves.....I think that one is starting to klunk >-->sometimes. Tomorrow for sure. Anyhow, any tricks? Last time I adjusted >-->only the 3 exhaust valves that were tight, and it took me at least half >-->an hour for those three. Of course, the first half of that was figuring >-->out what in the world to do to them. Anything that would make a complete >-->valve job quicker would be appreciated. >--> >-->2. I do wish to replace the timing chain, or at least measure the >-->stretch, but I can't get to the crankshaft to turn it; I think this is a >-->result of a slight bend in the front from her deer experience. I guess I >-->will have to take something off so I can get at it. What would be best? >-->Also, if I replace it, how can I get the master-link sweller without >-->shelling out 120 bucks to buy one? A harley shop? >--> >-->3. The alignment on the front is obviously off. I can see the adjustment >-->crankers, and they should be crankable^Wthey look good. But how can I know >-->that I have it right? It is so far off on the right side that I know I >-->can make it better by eyeballing it, but I would like to get it right. >-->(Right now I think the left one is close and the right one is actually >-->toed-out because I have to hold the wheel a bit left to go straight and >-->the front tires are feathering, but particularly the right one.) Maybe >-->the Haynes will tel me what I need to know when I look tomorrow, but I >-->would appreciate some advice. And no, I am not taking it in........that >-->would be very much against my DIY spirit. >--> >-->Thanks for the help that you guys are. Any response to this will have to >-->come by about dinnertime eastern tomorrow to do any good; please don't >-->desert my kitty to my uneducated wrenches..... >--> >-->Jason >--> >-->________________________________________________________________ >-->The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >-->Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >-->Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:33:04 -0700 From: "junot" Subject: Re: [db] Kitty greetings jason ... toe can be set with a trammel bar ... u can make this using a piece of wood that will extend across the front tires ... attach two uprights to this bar that will extend up to a bit past axle level ... nails are driven thru the uprights to serve as pointers ... scribe a line on each front tire at the center, and rotate the tire so that this line extends around the circumference of the tire ... use the trammel bar to determine the difference between front and back measurements and set toe accordingly .... (toe is always measured at the circumference of the tire ... and not at the rim ) u can set camber using a plumb-bob (the car must sit completely level for this to work ) ... measurements are taken from the top of the rim and the bottom of the rim with the plumb line set a specific distance from the tire with the line at axle center ... u will have to determine the distances that correspond to the proper camber angle using trig. caster is a bit more difficult .... the front wheels must be set paralell to the rear axle ... string measurements from front axle center to rear axle center to determine caster settings .... toe is relatively easy, caster and camber are a bit more tricky ... if u'r not sure what you are doing, don't mess with it ... mercedes also requires specific loading before any of these adjustments are made ... hope this helps ... junot - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [db] Kitty > Jason, > > 3. When I was in Tanzania, East Africa, I watched a local mechanic do > an alignment using some primitive tools. It basically involved some > long, straight poles, with some right angle attachments, which were > lined up with the front tires. If you measure the distance between > the poles where the front tire is vs. where the end of the long poles > are, you can get it pretty close (I think). Even a few centimeters > on poles ten feet long would indicate the slightest misalignment of > the tires. I think all the shops use lasers and cool modern tools, > but I'm sure they cost thousands of dollars to buy them initially. > > The trick is to figure out how to line the poles up to the tires so > that you get an acurate line... DISCLAIMER: I've never done it myself, > so I'm not sure how effective it is. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jason R Bassett > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:43 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] Kitty > > > Katie has unofficially changed her name to Kitty....must check with > fiancee before finalzing it, but I lost my cat, and she always liked my > cat. Anyhow, some stuff........ > > 1. I have got to do the valves.....I think that one is starting to klunk > sometimes. Tomorrow for sure. Anyhow, any tricks? Last time I adjusted > only the 3 exhaust valves that were tight, and it took me at least half > an hour for those three. Of course, the first half of that was figuring > out what in the world to do to them. Anything that would make a complete > valve job quicker would be appreciated. > > 2. I do wish to replace the timing chain, or at least measure the > stretch, but I can't get to the crankshaft to turn it; I think this is a > result of a slight bend in the front from her deer experience. I guess I > will have to take something off so I can get at it. What would be best? > Also, if I replace it, how can I get the master-link sweller without > shelling out 120 bucks to buy one? A harley shop? > > 3. The alignment on the front is obviously off. I can see the adjustment > crankers, and they should be crankable^Wthey look good. But how can I know > that I have it right? It is so far off on the right side that I know I > can make it better by eyeballing it, but I would like to get it right. > (Right now I think the left one is close and the right one is actually > toed-out because I have to hold the wheel a bit left to go straight and > the front tires are feathering, but particularly the right one.) Maybe > the Haynes will tel me what I need to know when I look tomorrow, but I > would appreciate some advice. And no, I am not taking it in........that > would be very much against my DIY spirit. > > Thanks for the help that you guys are. Any response to this will have to > come by about dinnertime eastern tomorrow to do any good; please don't > desert my kitty to my uneducated wrenches..... > > Jason > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:20:29 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Cheap SD in WA http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24875 96219&category=6330 Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1538 **********************************