From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 31 22:50:36 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, September 1 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1546 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] W124 sunvisor question [db] Sliding roof on my 201 [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... [db] administrivia: notes on using this list [db] 1959 190D for sale in Seattle (and an '82 300d) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:32:15 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] W124 sunvisor question On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 08:23:06PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > Well, all the lists have been a little quiet lately, so I'll pose this > question, since I don't want the sunvisor in my 89 300CE to end up like the > one in my 85 300D (like how I snuck in that diesel content?). > > The mirror assembly in my driver side sunvisor is trying to come out of the > visor. None of the plastic appears to have cracked (yet), and cursory > examination of both visors suggests it's just a friction fit holding the > whole plastic-framed covered mirror assembly into the visor, but I can't > seem to push this one back in enough to make it stay put. I'm also afraid of > breaking things if I squeeze too hard in the wrong spot. > > Is it supposed to be more than just a friction fit? Are there some little > tabs that should snap in place? If so, where are they so I know where to > push? I don't know, but my 190D has the same problem, and I was originally planning on trying to glue them back in, but wasn't sure if I really wanted to do that or not. I'm interested in what the list has to say too. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:36:52 -0700 From: "derick" Subject: [db] Sliding roof on my 201 The cable in my 190d will no longer retract or close my roof. Has any list member replaced one of these? Does motor/cable come as a unit or are they different parts? Any helpful tips/advice/shortcuts? Any attempt to open or close generates a clicking noise with intermittent movement. Looks like the motor is working but the gears have given up the ghost. Anyhow, I got the roof closed and I will not open it again until I have the parts to repair it. :) TIA Derick 85 190d "toots" - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.746 / Virus Database: 498 - Release Date: 8/31/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:40:02 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... Hello all, I just got my '79 300sd today, and was wondering if anyone knows where the relays are hidden on this thing. I need to figure out why the wipers are not working, and the relay is my next step. I will be looking for a good shop manual tomorrow.. Thanks for any help you can give me. Paul Masterson 79 300sd 84 928s 62 scout ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:47:45 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... Step 1: replace ALL the fuses in the main fuse panel, disconnecting the battery first, and cleaning all the fuse contacts with emery paper or good spray contact cleaner like DeOxit. That alone may fix the wipers. Step 2: check eBay, call 800-for-mercedes, or give one of our friendly vendors (like Rusty at www.buymbparts.com) a buzz to get the factory manual set on CD. Step 3: check the manual (see step 2) or wait for another answer on the location of the relays on your W116 chassis car. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 174K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Paul Masterson > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:40 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... > > > Hello all, > > I just got my '79 300sd today, and was wondering if anyone knows where the > relays are hidden on this thing. I need to figure out why the > wipers are not > working, and the relay is my next step. I will be looking for a good shop > manual tomorrow.. > > Thanks for any help you can give me. > > Paul Masterson > > 79 300sd > 84 928s > 62 scout > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:09:29 -0700 From: "derick" Subject: RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... { Step 1: replace ALL the fuses in the main fuse panel, disconnecting the battery first, and cleaning all the fuse contacts with emery paper or good spray contact cleaner like DeOxit. That alone may fix the wipers. } AMEN!!!! I agree with this, even if the fuses look "new" they can be troublemakers! (Right John ?) ;) When I acquire a new Benz that is one thing I try to get done fast, all new fuses and cleaning the contacts. Good luck. Derick - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.746 / Virus Database: 498 - Release Date: 8/31/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, derick wrote: >-->{ >-->Step 1: replace ALL the fuses in the main fuse panel, disconnecting the >-->battery first, and cleaning all the fuse contacts with emery paper or good >-->spray contact cleaner like DeOxit. That alone may fix the wipers. >-->} >--> >-->AMEN!!!! >--> >-->I agree with this, even if the fuses look "new" they can be troublemakers! >-->(Right John ?) ;) right. :) john >--> >-->When I acquire a new Benz that is one thing I try to get done fast, all new >-->fuses and cleaning the contacts. >--> >-->Good luck. >--> >-->Derick >--> >--> >-->--- >-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >-->Version: 6.0.746 / Virus Database: 498 - Release Date: 8/31/2004 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:24:25 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "derick" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:13 PM Subject: RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, derick wrote: > >>-->{ >>-->Step 1: replace ALL the fuses in the main fuse panel, disconnecting the >>-->battery first, and cleaning all the fuse contacts with emery paper or >>good >>-->spray contact cleaner like DeOxit. That alone may fix the wipers. >>-->} >>--> >>-->AMEN!!!! >>--> >>-->I agree with this, even if the fuses look "new" they can be >>troublemakers! >>-->(Right John ?) ;) > > right. :) That is the one thing I DID know, having had lots of Volvos, and Porsches, those fuses are always causing trouble. I took a stainless brush and scrubbed the contacts then the fuses, then twisted all the fuses.No luck...It could be the motor, switch or relay. Ah the joys of a 25 year old car.. Drives like a dream, though and has more power than any of the other Diesels I drove in my search. Paul Masterson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... uh... my '91 isn't 25 years old and both my mechanic friend and I were faked out by a bad fuse... :) standby for news on the '59 190d... john On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Paul Masterson wrote: >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: "derick" >-->Cc: >-->Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:13 PM >-->Subject: RE: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... >--> >--> >-->> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, derick wrote: >-->> >-->>>-->{ >-->>>-->Step 1: replace ALL the fuses in the main fuse panel, disconnecting the >-->>>-->battery first, and cleaning all the fuse contacts with emery paper or >-->>>good >-->>>-->spray contact cleaner like DeOxit. That alone may fix the wipers. >-->>>-->} >-->>>--> >-->>>-->AMEN!!!! >-->>>--> >-->>>-->I agree with this, even if the fuses look "new" they can be >-->>>troublemakers! >-->>>-->(Right John ?) ;) >-->> >-->> right. :) >--> >-->That is the one thing I DID know, having had lots of Volvos, >-->and Porsches, those fuses are always causing trouble. I took a >-->stainless brush and scrubbed the contacts then the fuses, then >-->twisted all the fuses.No luck...It could be the motor, switch or >-->relay. Ah the joys of a 25 year old car.. >--> >-->Drives like a dream, though and has more power than any of >-->the other Diesels I drove in my search. >--> >-->Paul Masterson >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:35:10 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Paul Masterson" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [db] I know this thing is loaded with relays... > > uh... my '91 isn't 25 years old and both my mechanic > friend and I were faked out by a bad fuse... :) > OK, I will scrub and scrape some more tomorrow, when I have some more daylight, but I have a bad feeling that I will be spending more money than a pack of fuses. I would like very much to tell you that you were right, though. Paul Masterson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 05:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] 1959 190D for sale in Seattle (and an '82 300d) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ricks-Diesels/ http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ricks-Diesels/59-190d/ got one friend interested in the '82... he's got first shot at it... not sure what my boss really wants for these cars... he was thinking around $3k for the '82 and around $2k for the '59. He is flexible of course... the '82 was purchased a few years ago from Benz Friends and is well cared for but does have a few dings and bad paint on the trunk. Engine compartment is superb looking... stock and clean. I took detailed pictures of the 190d today... thoughts on value? The engine has about 100k on a fresh engine... mostly solid, some rust in the front fenders, he replaced the passenger side floor pan, has a complete set of seats for it. I haven't seen or heard it run... Let me know your thoughts on value... the pictures should be a good starting point. be happy to put you in touch with the owner if you're interested... later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1546 **********************************