From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 23 20:13:29 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 24 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1564 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] how disable? [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? RE: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? Re: [db] how disable? [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank Re: [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank Re: [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank [db] 79 300D $500 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:06:26 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] how disable? I doubt that... Maybe you just aren't *serious* enough in your requests to have them leave your cars where you park them. Maybe they just think you're kidding? Jim/ > Alas, the vote strongly favors social controls, as contrasted with > physical controls. Consequences of my poor parenting skills. Sigh. > > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > I don't know... I take a different tact here... > > > > Smack them upside the head and tell them that if they take the cars > > again, you don't mind going *back* to prison!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:29:14 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: [db] Bio-diesel ? Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, but getting rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the frier to change the oil. Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a tank-full of diesel fuel in the 300d ? Or are there any hidden hazards ? TIA, Ron. - -- History is on our side (as long as we can control the historians). -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? filter clogs are about the biggest issue... I ran old frying oil through my Rabbit Diesel... other than a clogged fuel filter it did fine. :) john On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, but getting >-->rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the frier to >-->change the oil. >--> >-->Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a tank-full of diesel >-->fuel in the 300d ? >--> >-->Or are there any hidden hazards ? >--> >-->TIA, >--> >-->Ron. >-->-- >--> History is on our side >--> (as long as we can control the historians). >--> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:48:49 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? And if you're only going to use a couple of liters every once in a while you don't have to worry about seals, rubber parts, etc?? Just curious... Jim/ > filter clogs are about the biggest issue... I ran > old frying oil through my Rabbit Diesel... other than > a clogged fuel filter it did fine. :) > > john > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > >-->Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, but getting > >-->rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the frier to > >-->change the oil. > >--> > >-->Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a tank-full of diesel > >-->fuel in the 300d ? > >--> > >-->Or are there any hidden hazards ? > >--> > >-->TIA, > >--> > >-->Ron. > >-->-- > >--> History is on our side > >--> (as long as we can control the historians). > >--> > >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? I can't imagine it being a problem in an older 123 240d or 300d. In the newer 201/124 series they use a higher pressure system. I had treated some of my fuel and that developed a leak in that shaft... (I think). I haven't treated it for several months and the leak stopped completely... Right on the filler lid they say NO ADDITIVES. I think they mean it. ;) john On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->And if you're only going to use a couple of liters every once in a >-->while you don't have to worry about seals, rubber parts, etc?? >-->Just curious... >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> filter clogs are about the biggest issue... I ran >-->> old frying oil through my Rabbit Diesel... other than >-->> a clogged fuel filter it did fine. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, >-->but getting >-->> >-->rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the >-->frier to >-->> >-->change the oil. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a >-->tank-full of diesel >-->> >-->fuel in the 300d ? >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Or are there any hidden hazards ? >-->> >--> >-->> >-->TIA, >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Ron. >-->> >-->-- >-->> >--> History is on our side >-->> >--> (as long as we can control the historians). >-->> >--> >-->> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >-->> >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:28:40 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? The 300D will love that. Mine runs on 95% filtered WVO. It is very important to have a good filter process and maybe a racor filter on the car. One problem that you can have it acidity. Some over-used oils are very acid. Another problem is polymerization. Some oils are nice and liquid and clear when you filter them but on standing a few days cloud up (and not from getting cold!). A couple of litres of clean oil in a tank of diesel is hardly noticaable. SDB On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: |Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, but getting |rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the frier to |change the oil. | |Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a tank-full of diesel |fuel in the 300d ? | |Or are there any hidden hazards ? | |TIA, | |Ron. |-- | History is on our side | (as long as we can control the historians). | | -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: hue wong Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? I run this type of fule through my 300d (turbo) seems to run fine, I double strain the oil (through a panty hose/ bucket system I set up) and change the filters quite often. Be sure to watch the ambient temp outside. Straight vegi oil doesn't like cold weather and it will start to gel and clog things up. Here in Seattle I think I only have one or two tanks full left in the season before it gets to cold to run it. I also think I get slightly better preformance when I mix, for some odd reason. I also have to go get an emissions test and am VERY curious as to how it will read with a 25% tank full of fry oil. Anyway...oil onward! - --- "S.D.Byers" wrote: > The 300D will love that. Mine runs on 95% filtered > WVO. It is very > important to have a good filter process and maybe a > racor filter on the > car. > > One problem that you can have it acidity. Some > over-used oils are very > acid. > > Another problem is polymerization. Some oils are > nice and liquid and clear > when you filter them but on standing a few days > cloud up (and not from > getting cold!). > > > A couple of litres of clean oil in a tank of diesel > is hardly noticaable. > > SDB > > > > On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > |Hi all, The question here is not about switching > to bio-diesel, but getting > |rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having > drained the frier to > |change the oil. > | > |Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add > it to a tank-full of diesel > |fuel in the 300d ? > | > |Or are there any hidden hazards ? > | > |TIA, > | > |Ron. > |-- > | History is on our side > | (as long as we can control the > historians). > | > | -- > http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > | > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:49:41 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" <1sam-at-io.com> Subject: RE: [db] Bio-diesel ? Hi Ron, Good to hear from you (and copy another great sig line). No problem with the frying oil unless it's cold in Paraguay. Diesels have a problem at temperatures below the gel point of whatever fuel they use. If you plan to do larger quantities, get a fine filter bag from Greasel.com. For a couple of liters, you can trust the fuel filters to take care of particles your first step filtering doesn't remove. Always travel with spare filters--no matter what fuel you use. Discovering clogged filters in the outback can result in spending longer than you planned in a spot you didn't choose. Cheers, Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Renaud (Ron) Olgiati Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:29 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Bio-diesel ? Hi all, The question here is not about switching to bio-diesel, but getting rid of a couple liters of frying oil, SWMBO having drained the frier to change the oil. Can I just filter it to remove the solids, and add it to a tank-full of diesel fuel in the 300d ? Or are there any hidden hazards ? TIA, Ron. - -- History is on our side (as long as we can control the historians). -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:54:31 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? On Tuesday 21 September 2004 13:49, Sam Williams wrote: > Good to hear from you (and copy another great sig line). Thanks, just a cron job that changes the sig at random every hour. > Always travel with spare filters--no > matter what fuel you use. Discovering clogged filters in the outback can > result in spending longer than you planned in a spot you didn't choose. This I _already_ know; dont ask. ;-3( Cheers, Ron. - -- Reporter: Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization ? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:54:01 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel ? On Tuesday 21 September 2004 13:28, my mailbox was graced by a missive from S.D.Byers who wrote: > Another problem is polymerization. Some oils are nice and liquid and clear > when you filter them but on standing a few days cloud up (and not from > getting cold!). No problem, this one has been standing for months in the frier, and is quite clear and liquid. > A couple of litres of clean oil in a tank of diesel is hardly noticaable. Not even the smell ? Thanks to all for the advice, Cheers, Ron. ;-3) - -- Asking a working writer what he thinks about critics is like asking a lamp-post how it feels about dogs. -- Christopher Hampton -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:39:29 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] how disable? On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 08:52:15AM -0400, Paul Brown wrote: > Alas, the vote strongly favors social controls, as contrasted with > physical controls. Consequences of my poor parenting skills. Sigh. Naw, it's kinda two fold: - kids will always try to steal every inch they can, especially where gaining freedom is concerned. be glad that they are just taking your car for a drive instead of blowing up buildings, sawing off shotguns, or robbing convenience stores to feed a crank habit. (at least I hope none of these are the case) - 20-25 year old cars need attention under the hood often enough that you don't need ANOTHER excuse to pop the hood on it. Me, if I don't want something driven, I put it in the driveway in front of something dead. Whomever it is usually decides that it's not worth trying to move a 3-5000 lb dead car to drive something. Granted, this turns my driveway into a bit of an obstacle course when I want to drive something in the garage, but fortunately that doesn't happen often. :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:40:47 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank While we are discussing possible sources of noises, I have a question on a metallic Klank sound that is part of the idle repertoire of my 1993 300D Turbo2.5. I have now put over 9000 miles on the car since purchased with 168K on it and the noise seems to be the same, no change, just very loud at idle. I expected clatter, same sound on most diesels and I have been around a lot of old Mercedes, all the Taxis in Montevideo used to be 240D's, but the loud Klanking sound is driving me nuts. When between buildings with windows open, sounds like a man hitting an anvil at regular pace and up close, windows up, it is still noticeable but muted. Diminishes as soon as the revs go up above 1200 or so. Can anyone tell me if this is normal for this car or what to examine first? Can the timing chain do this? Is the injection pump capable of it? My mechanic thinks nothing of it, but then he will benefit if something major fails :-( Look forward to rational commentary. Thanks, Edward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank I don't notice any loud clanking noises on my '91 300d 2.5L TD... guess I'll roll the window down and listen tonight on the way home from work... but it's pretty quiet overall... john On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->While we are discussing possible sources of noises, I have a question on >-->a metallic Klank sound that is part of the idle repertoire of my 1993 >-->300D Turbo2.5. >--> >-->I have now put over 9000 miles on the car since purchased with 168K on >-->it and the noise seems to be the same, no change, just very loud at >-->idle. I expected clatter, same sound on most diesels and I have been >-->around a lot of old Mercedes, all the Taxis in Montevideo used to be >-->240D's, but the loud Klanking sound is driving me nuts. When between >-->buildings with windows open, sounds like a man hitting an anvil at >-->regular pace and up close, windows up, it is still noticeable but muted. >-->Diminishes as soon as the revs go up above 1200 or so. >--> >-->Can anyone tell me if this is normal for this car or what to examine >-->first? Can the timing chain do this? Is the injection pump capable of >-->it? My mechanic thinks nothing of it, but then he will benefit if >-->something major fails :-( >--> >-->Look forward to rational commentary. >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Edward >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:57:58 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Klatta Klank, Klatta Klank On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 07:40:47PM -0400, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > While we are discussing possible sources of noises, I have a question on > a metallic Klank sound that is part of the idle repertoire of my 1993 > 300D Turbo2.5. > > I have now put over 9000 miles on the car since purchased with 168K on > it and the noise seems to be the same, no change, just very loud at > idle. I expected clatter, same sound on most diesels and I have been > around a lot of old Mercedes, all the Taxis in Montevideo used to be > 240D's, but the loud Klanking sound is driving me nuts. When between > buildings with windows open, sounds like a man hitting an anvil at > regular pace and up close, windows up, it is still noticeable but muted. > Diminishes as soon as the revs go up above 1200 or so. > > Can anyone tell me if this is normal for this car or what to examine > first? Can the timing chain do this? Is the injection pump capable of > it? My mechanic thinks nothing of it, but then he will benefit if > something major fails :-( I'd bet on it being an injector, or perhaps a carboned up ring. Do you drive the car hard, or loaf around? You can narrow it down to one cylinder by disconnecting the injectors one at a time while the engine is running. When the idle doesn't change, you've found the misbehaving cylinder. Then you have two options, either fill a fuel filter with diesel purge and go nuts, or go find a long uphill to lock in a lower gear and get the revs above 4000 for a bit to blow all the carbon out of it. It might take a few shots at the hill to clear out the carbon. I know of one OM617 that had the cylinder pressure restored from 100psi by doing this. And it was nailing HARD. If you're really worried about it, checking chain stretch is really simple, there were a bad batch of mercedes timing chains in the early nineties. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (601, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:43:48 -0700 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: [db] 79 300D $500 Howdy! I am selling The Rustbucket. It isn't running right now. It probably just needs a starter and battery, but I really don't want to deal with it any more. It has some rust, the paint is probably totally gone, some of the interior is shot. It has 280K miles. The tranny is slipping in reverse. The trunk has a leak. It has two very new tires, and two that are halfway through their life span. The front end won't align, so it wanders a little. Price: $500. I will _not_ part it out, if you want parts off it, buyit and part it out yourself. You might make some money on e-bay. Diesel "Not anymore" Dan ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1564 **********************************