From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 20 09:34:10 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, October 20 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1579 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] adventures in Seattle... Re: [db] noisey 190D Re: [db] noisey 190D RE: [db] Biodiesel in Austin Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin Re: [db]was: adventures in Seattle... now, WI Re: [db] noisey 190D Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:08:59 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] adventures in Seattle... > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: > >-->> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Paul Masterson wrote: > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> had lunch with dan from chicago and a handful of benz owners, > >-->> >-->> I think only one other Diesel guy... really nice 300D. :) > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> tanked up tonight at $2.439!!! what's up with this? got > >-->> >-->> over 30mpg so it's not terribly painful, but why is Diesel > >-->> >-->> so much more than unleaded? Unleaded was $2.029. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->This has been under discussion in rec.autos.mercedes, > >-->> >-->the consensus is that home heating oil season is pushing > >-->> >-->the price up. > >-->> > >-->> interesting... must be an east coast thing... guess they're > >-->> expecting a harsh winter, right? > >-->> > >-->> rec.autos... wow... haven't been on usenet since '95. we > >-->> started the fsj list from rec.autos.4x4 back then... then I > >-->> spawed the xj list and then this list... having a list like > >-->> this eliminated a LOT of the riff raff and troubles... the > >-->> fsj,xj and dbl lists have been remarkably successful, peaceful > >-->> and useful. How's the noise level on usenet these days? It's > >-->> quite possible all the low lifes moved into spamming and > >-->> virus generation and are doing email now... ;) > >-->> > >-->> john > >--> > >-->The same thing has happened here in the past month or so. So maybe > >-->that's it. I hadn't thougth about that. Diesel is about a dime > >-->more than regular unleaded. And I DON'T get 30mpg with my F-350!! > >-->:( > >-->Jim/ > >-->Oconomowoc, WI > >--> > >-->P.S. The '84 190D that was for sale a few months ago has re-appeared > >-->on the guys front lawn ;) Maybe I'll try to negotiate with him. > >-->He's asking $2700. It has 212K. I think it's a bit high. Should THAT > >-->get 30mpg??? > > no, that 190d won't get 30... it'll get 32, 34 or better... ;) > if it's clean the 190d might be worth that much, check kbb.com and nada.com > and look at edmunds.com with a very jaded eye... reality is closer to kbb > and nada, edmunds is typically quite low or very general. > > I haven't had time to look to see what my '83 GMC Jimmy with the 6.2L Diesel > is worth, two miraculous things might happen... one, my J10 might be done > sometime in the next six months, or two, my wife might let me put a hitch > on her '99 WJ. :) > > john Well, kbb.com says it's worth $750 ;) nada.com says $2,350 and thats for an '85. It didn't go back to '84. So I say it's high ;) Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:11:22 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] noisey 190D What's wrong with you guys?!?! ;) The music of big machinery is part of the joy of driving a diesel!! ;) Jim/ > underhood insulation will help immensely... also put it > along the firewall... there was a sound reduction add-on > for mercedes advertised somewhere... maybe someone on the > list will remember it... > > I need to do this on my '83 GMC Jimmy as well, it's quite loud too. :) > The 6.2L Diesel doesn't have an air intake muffler... > > john > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > >-->Our 190D is a bit noisey for herselfs tastes... so.. what can I do to > >-->"turn down" the sound? > >-->There is no padding on the underside of the bonnet, would this help if > >-->I replaced it? > >-->Sound deadening in the boot/under the rear seat? It tends to "boom" > >-->when cruising. > >-->New exhaust ? I assume a new bosal would help? > >--> > >-->This leads me on to... injectors... how hard to remove from a 4cyl '88 190D ? > >-->On start up you can hear at least one of them making noise... > >--> > >-->Thanks > >-->Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:54:14 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] noisey 190D I'm in total agreement with you, but herself drives it everyday, I take the Roadster (too much power for herself... plus I wouldn't think of letting her out in it when it rains, so am going to book her in for a performance driving lesson ;-) ) Steve On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:11:22 -0400, Jim Hoffman wrote: > What's wrong with you guys?!?! ;) The music of big machinery is > part of the joy of driving a diesel!! > > ;) > > Jim/ > > > > > underhood insulation will help immensely... also put it > > along the firewall... there was a sound reduction add-on > > for mercedes advertised somewhere... maybe someone on the > > list will remember it... > > > > I need to do this on my '83 GMC Jimmy as well, it's quite loud too. :) > > The 6.2L Diesel doesn't have an air intake muffler... > > > > john > > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > > >-->Our 190D is a bit noisey for herselfs tastes... so.. what can I do to > > >-->"turn down" the sound? > > >-->There is no padding on the underside of the bonnet, would this help if > > >-->I replaced it? > > >-->Sound deadening in the boot/under the rear seat? It tends to "boom" > > >-->when cruising. > > >-->New exhaust ? I assume a new bosal would help? > > >--> > > >-->This leads me on to... injectors... how hard to remove from a 4cyl > '88 190D ? > > >-->On start up you can hear at least one of them making noise... > > >--> > > >-->Thanks > > >-->Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:40:58 -0500 From: "Sam Williams" Subject: RE: [db] Biodiesel in Austin John, > I'm a little concerned about running wvo or biodiesel in my '91 The BD people told me that '92 is the year they (whoever 'they' is) switched from natural rubber in seals and hoses and any post 92 diesel is good for alternative fuels. MBs were precocious, my '75 tolerates just about anything. I might worry about the salts in WVO corroding bits in recent high pressure injection systems. Commercial biodiesel is common enough in many parts of the world and should be good in engines designed for international applications. American-market-only vehicles may be risky to experiment on. I think it is that oil producers are expecting a comfortable winter as much as or more than the NE expects a cold one. Sure am glad I'm not filling a heating oil tank at these prices. Sort of wish I wasn't buying groceries and other things hauled in by diesels. Most of the world has long thought about fuel prices before driving short distances or buying huge trucks. Maybe we're about to learn. China is developing quite a thirst for oil and quickly. I imagine 3.40/gal will seem a bargain in near future. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:30 AM To: Sam Williams Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; 'diesel-benz list' Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin ouch. 3.40 for bioDiesel... a friend sent me an email with the price of fuel in Sweden... I think gas was around $5.30/gal and Diesel around 4.60 or something like that... the email is on my other computer... speaking (OT) of computers... I finally got my wireless ethernet bridge setup working. moved my wifes Linux/Winxp box up to my son's old room, installed a TV tuner card as well... works with both linux and windows even.. way cool, and cheaper than another tv for use with the treadmill... The next step with my computer network is to setup my file server as a print server, get this little laptop in the kitchen to work wireless in Linux (it's a sony viao... got it working with linux suse 9.1!!!, but not on wireless yet, but hey, 9.2 is soon to come out)... my fujitsu laptop is almost always in suse 9.1... still need to get the palm/cell to sync with linux... did get the digital camera to connect to it... so... the migration FROM windows is almost complete... 1) sony vaio wireless in linux 2) fujitsu to sync palm in linux 3) get the infrared remote control for the tv tuner to work in linux 4) setup the linux print server. the list has shrunk considerably... soon no more worries about viruses, worms and microsoft critical warnings... linux just keeps getting better and better... now, if Diesel prices would only drop back down a bit then life would be even better... :) Oh, back on topic for a second... I'm a little concerned about running wvo or biodiesel in my '91 because of the high pressure injection system. The fuel door says NO additives... I ran some injector cleaner through and a seal on the throttle shaft started leaking... bad... I didn't put any additive in it since about July, and the leak has stopped, mileage is still good... no more puddles of Diesel under the car... so if you've got the newer Diesels you might be careful about experimenting... get a 123 or 126 to play with, parts are cheaper and it should work quite well like that. later, john On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Sam Williams wrote: >-->Today I found a Biodiesel distributor in Austin, Texas. I'm excited. Have >-->never been interested in mucking around, cooking lye mixtures in my back >-->yard to produce it myself. Have been filtering WVO when I have the time and >-->energy but that, too, is messy--if less dangerous. Am very pleased with the >-->biodiesel, if not ecstatic about the price ($3.40/gal). Also wish they were >-->not on opposite side of town from me (Onion Creek--I'm north). More than an >-->hour's drive just to tank up is a bit of a disincentive. >--> >-->When 'premium' petro-diesel went over $2/gal, I started buying the cheap >-->(not even!) stuff. My 300D started pinging. Went back to premium. It kept >-->pinging. Began to worry that my timing chain had stretched so much, IP was >-->out of time or maybe whole engine was a goner. Today, after adding enough >-->biodiesel to make 20-30% mix, my engine began to purr again. Non-diesel >-->fans might not consider the sounds my car makes a 'purr' but it was music to >-->my ears. I guess biodiesel has higher cetane than cheap petro-diesel. I >-->also guess that 'premium' petro-diesel isn't very 'premium' these days, >-->despite costing as much as it does. The price is closing on biodiesel fast. >--> >-->If interested, check http://www.austinbiofuels.com/. >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Sam >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:04:37 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin Well... enjoy while you can... check out the prices in my locality... http://www.irishfuelprices.com/motorfuelprices.php?county=galway Prices are Euro cents/litre Steve On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:40:58 -0500, Sam Williams wrote: > John, > > > I'm a little concerned about running wvo or biodiesel in my '91 > > The BD people told me that '92 is the year they (whoever 'they' is) switched > from natural rubber in seals and hoses and any post 92 diesel is good for > alternative fuels. MBs were precocious, my '75 tolerates just about > anything. > > I might worry about the salts in WVO corroding bits in recent high pressure > injection systems. Commercial biodiesel is common enough in many parts of > the world and should be good in engines designed for international > applications. American-market-only vehicles may be risky to experiment on. > > I think it is that oil producers are expecting a comfortable winter as much > as or more than the NE expects a cold one. Sure am glad I'm not filling a > heating oil tank at these prices. Sort of wish I wasn't buying groceries > and other things hauled in by diesels. > > Most of the world has long thought about fuel prices before driving short > distances or buying huge trucks. Maybe we're about to learn. China is > developing quite a thirst for oil and quickly. I imagine 3.40/gal will seem > a bargain in near future. > > Sam > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:30 AM > To: Sam Williams > Cc: full size jeep list; xj-list; 'diesel-benz list' > Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel in Austin > > ouch. 3.40 for bioDiesel... a friend sent me an email with the price of > fuel > in Sweden... I think gas was around $5.30/gal and Diesel around 4.60 or > something > like that... the email is on my other computer... > > speaking (OT) of computers... I finally got my wireless ethernet bridge > setup > working. moved my wifes Linux/Winxp box up to my son's old room, installed > a > TV tuner card as well... works with both linux and windows even.. way cool, > and cheaper than another tv for use with the treadmill... The next step > with my computer network is to setup my file server as a print server, get > this little laptop in the kitchen to work wireless in Linux (it's a sony > viao... got it working with linux suse 9.1!!!, but not on wireless yet, but > hey, 9.2 is soon to come out)... my fujitsu laptop is almost always in > suse 9.1... still need to get the palm/cell to sync with linux... did get > the digital camera to connect to it... so... the migration FROM windows > is almost complete... > > 1) sony vaio wireless in linux > 2) fujitsu to sync palm in linux > 3) get the infrared remote control for the tv tuner to work in linux > 4) setup the linux print server. > > the list has shrunk considerably... soon no more worries about viruses, > worms and microsoft critical warnings... linux just keeps getting better > and better... > > now, if Diesel prices would only drop back down a bit then life would > be even better... :) > > Oh, back on topic for a second... I'm a little concerned about running > wvo or biodiesel in my '91 because of the high pressure injection system. > The fuel door says NO additives... I ran some injector cleaner through > and a seal on the throttle shaft started leaking... bad... I didn't > put any additive in it since about July, and the leak has stopped, mileage > is still good... no more puddles of Diesel under the car... so if you've > got the newer Diesels you might be careful about experimenting... get > a 123 or 126 to play with, parts are cheaper and it should work quite > well like that. > > later, > john > > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Sam Williams wrote: > > >-->Today I found a Biodiesel distributor in Austin, Texas. I'm excited. > Have > >-->never been interested in mucking around, cooking lye mixtures in my back > >-->yard to produce it myself. Have been filtering WVO when I have the time > and > >-->energy but that, too, is messy--if less dangerous. Am very pleased with > the > >-->biodiesel, if not ecstatic about the price ($3.40/gal). Also wish they > were > >-->not on opposite side of town from me (Onion Creek--I'm north). More > than an > >-->hour's drive just to tank up is a bit of a disincentive. > >--> > >-->When 'premium' petro-diesel went over $2/gal, I started buying the cheap > >-->(not even!) stuff. My 300D started pinging. Went back to premium. It > kept > >-->pinging. Began to worry that my timing chain had stretched so much, IP > was > >-->out of time or maybe whole engine was a goner. Today, after adding > enough > >-->biodiesel to make 20-30% mix, my engine began to purr again. Non-diesel > >-->fans might not consider the sounds my car makes a 'purr' but it was > music to > >-->my ears. I guess biodiesel has higher cetane than cheap petro-diesel. > I > >-->also guess that 'premium' petro-diesel isn't very 'premium' these days, > >-->despite costing as much as it does. The price is closing on biodiesel > fast. > >--> > >-->If interested, check http://www.austinbiofuels.com/. > >--> > >-->Cheers, > >--> > >-->Sam > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db]was: adventures in Seattle... now, WI On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->Jim/ >-->> >-->Oconomowoc, WI >-->> >--> >-->> >-->P.S. The '84 190D that was for sale a few months ago has re-appeared >-->> >-->on the guys front lawn ;) Maybe I'll try to negotiate with him. >-->> >-->He's asking $2700. It has 212K. I think it's a bit high. Should >-->THAT >-->> >-->get 30mpg??? >-->> >-->> no, that 190d won't get 30... it'll get 32, 34 or better... ;) >-->> if it's clean the 190d might be worth that much, check kbb.com and >-->nada.com >-->> and look at edmunds.com with a very jaded eye... reality is closer to kbb >-->> and nada, edmunds is typically quite low or very general. >-->> >-->> I haven't had time to look to see what my '83 GMC Jimmy with the 6.2L >-->Diesel >-->> is worth, two miraculous things might happen... one, my J10 might be done >-->> sometime in the next six months, or two, my wife might let me put a hitch >-->> on her '99 WJ. :) >-->> >-->> john >--> >-->Well, kbb.com says it's worth $750 ;) my jimmy or the 190d???? >-->nada.com says $2,350 and thats for an '85. It didn't go back to '84. >-->So I say it's high ;) >-->Jim/ what did edmunds say? they're all over the map arent' they... :) there is an older car guide too... guess you also need to know what the guy has done to it recently in the way of repairs... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] noisey 190D On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->What's wrong with you guys?!?! ;) The music of big machinery is >-->part of the joy of driving a diesel!! two questions: 1) are you deaf? 2) are you married? if yes two 2 then 1 would be a good thing... maybe... ;) note: no espresso this morning, whilst the above may seem slightly humorous to me, after getting a latte it might seem really dumb, I'm heading down the the breakroom to make a latte... the new espresso machine arrives on my door on Thursday... you might not want to read my posts for the next couple of days... ;) I'm still surprised that my wife hasn't made a comment about how noisey the Jimmy is... john >--> >-->;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> underhood insulation will help immensely... also put it >-->> along the firewall... there was a sound reduction add-on >-->> for mercedes advertised somewhere... maybe someone on the >-->> list will remember it... >-->> >-->> I need to do this on my '83 GMC Jimmy as well, it's quite loud too. :) >-->> The 6.2L Diesel doesn't have an air intake muffler... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Our 190D is a bit noisey for herselfs tastes... so.. what can I do to >-->> >-->"turn down" the sound? >-->> >-->There is no padding on the underside of the bonnet, would this help if >-->> >-->I replaced it? >-->> >-->Sound deadening in the boot/under the rear seat? It tends to "boom" >-->> >-->when cruising. >-->> >-->New exhaust ? I assume a new bosal would help? >-->> >--> >-->> >-->This leads me on to... injectors... how hard to remove from a 4cyl >-->'88 190D ? >-->> >-->On start up you can hear at least one of them making noise... >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Thanks >-->> >-->Steve >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1579 **********************************