From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Oct 30 18:03:25 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, October 31 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1588 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] Re: 190D schematics? Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? RE: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? RE: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Re: 190D schematics? I've been meaning to do the math to see if driving a car with a gas engine is more affordable... the blasted Damocrats in this state have chosen to tax Diesel more than gas... john On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Amburgey, Derrick wrote: >-->John, >--> >-->I like the idea of going through the inside of the car. >-->I have looked into this conversion. >-->If it is the one I am imagining it involves removing the spare tire in favor of a tire shaped tank. >-->I also summized if I were to do this I would route said hose through the passenger side along the floor board and through the fire wall. I would then go across the foward channel where the cowling is and out the driversside outer firewall. >--> >-->The 1984-5 models already have a diesel fuel preheater installed. (not sure about the 1988) I figured I would install my 6 way valve before it so I could take advantage of the heater for maintaining heat on the WVO. >--> >-->If diesel keeps climbing I may join the ranks of the WVO burners... :) >--> >-->Good luck >--> >-->Derick >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:09 PM >-->To: Eliza the Cava >-->Cc: diesel-benz list >-->Subject: [SPAM] [db] Re: 190D schematics? >--> >--> >-->I'd look at two possibilities: >--> >--> - one use plumbers tape and short screws >--> - use special adhesives to hold the plumbing in the channel. >--> >-->I like the 2nd option more if you live in a salted roads environment. >--> >-->no schematics... but seems to me that there is wiring under the back seat, >-->can't remember which side... pop the backseat and take a gander... I'd >-->also consider running all that plumbing through the interior... just a >-->thought... not a complete one. ;) >--> >-->can't you splice into the existing plumbing in the back and avoid running >-->lines forward? >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Eliza the Cava wrote: >--> Eliza the Cava >--> >-->>-->Hi Diesel John Meister, >-->>-->I found your name on a listserv and hope you can help me. I am the >-->>-->proud new owner of a 190D 1988, in beautiful working order, and I've >-->>-->just converted it to run on a second tank of veggie oil. I'm happy >-->>-->with how the conversion looks, but I haven't tested it out yet, >-->>-->because due to the fact that there are hardly any fixtures on the >-->>-->solid underbody, my veggie hose is hanging down several inches below >-->>-->most of the passenger side compartment. There's a nice channel in the >-->>-->underbody, well clear of the muffler, but nothing to attach my hose to >-->>-->with zipties/wire/brackets. Would you have any suggestions as to how >-->>-->I could figure out which parts of my underbody have important parts >-->>-->hidden above them that I shouldn't drill into, and which parts are >-->>-->safe? Or would you know anybody to refer me to, or where I could get >-->>-->the floor plan schematics? A mechanic friend suggested tapping and >-->>-->listening for hollow places, assuming there's nothing very important >-->>-->there, and another friend suggested simple self-tapping sheet-metal >-->>-->eyehooks that would slowly screw in and probably wouldn't mess with >-->>-->any wiring. >-->>--> >-->>-->Please help! >-->>--> >-->>-->Thanks, >-->>-->Eliza >-->>--> >-->>-->a college kid with an ambitious project. >-->>--> >-->>-->-- >-->>-->Eliza Cava >-->>-->Swarthmore College >-->>-->610-690-5289 >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >-->--- >-->Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >--> >-->--- >-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:06:18 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? Well it depends on the car. If you have to choose between a 560SEL and a 300SDL for example, it will still be cheaper to drive the SDL even though diesel is more expensive. Now if you have to choose between an old 300D and a new honda or something like that, would probably be cheaper on gas to drive the new honda. john wrote: > I've been meaning to do the math to see if driving a car with a gas engine > is more affordable... the blasted Damocrats in this state have chosen to > tax Diesel more than gas... > > john > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Amburgey, Derrick wrote: > > >>-->John, >>--> >>-->I like the idea of going through the inside of the car. >>-->I have looked into this conversion. >>-->If it is the one I am imagining it involves removing the spare tire in favor of a tire shaped tank. >>-->I also summized if I were to do this I would route said hose through the passenger side along the floor board and through the fire wall. I would then go across the foward channel where the cowling is and out the driversside outer firewall. >>--> >>-->The 1984-5 models already have a diesel fuel preheater installed. (not sure about the 1988) I figured I would install my 6 way valve before it so I could take advantage of the heater for maintaining heat on the WVO. >>--> >>-->If diesel keeps climbing I may join the ranks of the WVO burners... :) >>--> >>-->Good luck >>--> >>-->Derick >>--> >>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >>-->Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:09 PM >>-->To: Eliza the Cava >>-->Cc: diesel-benz list >>-->Subject: [SPAM] [db] Re: 190D schematics? >>--> >>--> >>-->I'd look at two possibilities: >>--> >>--> - one use plumbers tape and short screws >>--> - use special adhesives to hold the plumbing in the channel. >>--> >>-->I like the 2nd option more if you live in a salted roads environment. >>--> >>-->no schematics... but seems to me that there is wiring under the back seat, >>-->can't remember which side... pop the backseat and take a gander... I'd >>-->also consider running all that plumbing through the interior... just a >>-->thought... not a complete one. ;) >>--> >>-->can't you splice into the existing plumbing in the back and avoid running >>-->lines forward? >>--> >>-->john >>--> >>-->On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Eliza the Cava wrote: >>--> Eliza the Cava >>--> >>-->>-->Hi Diesel John Meister, >>-->>-->I found your name on a listserv and hope you can help me. I am the >>-->>-->proud new owner of a 190D 1988, in beautiful working order, and I've >>-->>-->just converted it to run on a second tank of veggie oil. I'm happy >>-->>-->with how the conversion looks, but I haven't tested it out yet, >>-->>-->because due to the fact that there are hardly any fixtures on the >>-->>-->solid underbody, my veggie hose is hanging down several inches below >>-->>-->most of the passenger side compartment. There's a nice channel in the >>-->>-->underbody, well clear of the muffler, but nothing to attach my hose to >>-->>-->with zipties/wire/brackets. Would you have any suggestions as to how >>-->>-->I could figure out which parts of my underbody have important parts >>-->>-->hidden above them that I shouldn't drill into, and which parts are >>-->>-->safe? Or would you know anybody to refer me to, or where I could get >>-->>-->the floor plan schematics? A mechanic friend suggested tapping and >>-->>-->listening for hollow places, assuming there's nothing very important >>-->>-->there, and another friend suggested simple self-tapping sheet-metal >>-->>-->eyehooks that would slowly screw in and probably wouldn't mess with >>-->>-->any wiring. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Please help! >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Thanks, >>-->>-->Eliza >>-->>--> >>-->>-->a college kid with an ambitious project. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->-- >>-->>-->Eliza Cava >>-->>-->Swarthmore College >>-->>-->610-690-5289 >>-->>--> >>--> >>--> ---- >>--> >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >>--> >>--> > > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/ Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D Okie-Benz Parts-email for used MB parts ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:14:27 -0700 From: "derick" Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? John, Yes I hate to admit; I too have been looking at gas sippers that get 35+ MPG or better. Does anyone out there know a decent used car besides Geo Metros and Ford Aspires that will accomplish this? OR.... I may get a good foul weather suit and use my motorbike..... Derick - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:06 PM To: john Cc: Amburgey, Derrick; Eliza the Cava; diesel-benz list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? Well it depends on the car. If you have to choose between a 560SEL and a 300SDL for example, it will still be cheaper to drive the SDL even though diesel is more expensive. Now if you have to choose between an old 300D and a new honda or something like that, would probably be cheaper on gas to drive the new honda. john wrote: > I've been meaning to do the math to see if driving a car with a gas engine > is more affordable... the blasted Damocrats in this state have chosen to > tax Diesel more than gas... > > john > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Amburgey, Derrick wrote: > > >>-->John, >>--> >>-->I like the idea of going through the inside of the car. >>-->I have looked into this conversion. >>-->If it is the one I am imagining it involves removing the spare tire in favor of a tire shaped tank. >>-->I also summized if I were to do this I would route said hose through the passenger side along the floor board and through the fire wall. I would then go across the foward channel where the cowling is and out the driversside outer firewall. >>--> >>-->The 1984-5 models already have a diesel fuel preheater installed. (not sure about the 1988) I figured I would install my 6 way valve before it so I could take advantage of the heater for maintaining heat on the WVO. >>--> >>-->If diesel keeps climbing I may join the ranks of the WVO burners... :) >>--> >>-->Good luck >>--> >>-->Derick >>--> >>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >>-->Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:09 PM >>-->To: Eliza the Cava >>-->Cc: diesel-benz list >>-->Subject: [SPAM] [db] Re: 190D schematics? >>--> >>--> >>-->I'd look at two possibilities: >>--> >>--> - one use plumbers tape and short screws >>--> - use special adhesives to hold the plumbing in the channel. >>--> >>-->I like the 2nd option more if you live in a salted roads environment. >>--> >>-->no schematics... but seems to me that there is wiring under the back seat, >>-->can't remember which side... pop the backseat and take a gander... I'd >>-->also consider running all that plumbing through the interior... just a >>-->thought... not a complete one. ;) >>--> >>-->can't you splice into the existing plumbing in the back and avoid running >>-->lines forward? >>--> >>-->john >>--> >>-->On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Eliza the Cava wrote: >>--> Eliza the Cava >>--> >>-->>-->Hi Diesel John Meister, >>-->>-->I found your name on a listserv and hope you can help me. I am the >>-->>-->proud new owner of a 190D 1988, in beautiful working order, and I've >>-->>-->just converted it to run on a second tank of veggie oil. I'm happy >>-->>-->with how the conversion looks, but I haven't tested it out yet, >>-->>-->because due to the fact that there are hardly any fixtures on the >>-->>-->solid underbody, my veggie hose is hanging down several inches below >>-->>-->most of the passenger side compartment. There's a nice channel in the >>-->>-->underbody, well clear of the muffler, but nothing to attach my hose to >>-->>-->with zipties/wire/brackets. Would you have any suggestions as to how >>-->>-->I could figure out which parts of my underbody have important parts >>-->>-->hidden above them that I shouldn't drill into, and which parts are >>-->>-->safe? Or would you know anybody to refer me to, or where I could get >>-->>-->the floor plan schematics? A mechanic friend suggested tapping and >>-->>-->listening for hollow places, assuming there's nothing very important >>-->>-->there, and another friend suggested simple self-tapping sheet-metal >>-->>-->eyehooks that would slowly screw in and probably wouldn't mess with >>-->>-->any wiring. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Please help! >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Thanks, >>-->>-->Eliza >>-->>--> >>-->>-->a college kid with an ambitious project. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->-- >>-->>-->Eliza Cava >>-->>-->Swarthmore College >>-->>-->610-690-5289 >>-->>--> >>--> >>--> ---- >>--> >>-->----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- >>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 >>--> >>--> > > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/ Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D Okie-Benz Parts-email for used MB parts - --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:32:25 -0400 From: "Michael Aimino" Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: 190D schematics? My 2002 VW Jetta TDI consistently gets 47mpg with an auto transmission in mixed driving (mostly highway). A manual is supposed to be even better. > John, > > Yes I hate to admit; I too have been looking at gas sippers that get > 35+ MPG or better. > > Does anyone out there know a decent used car besides Geo Metros and > Ford Aspires that will accomplish this? > > OR.... > > I may get a good foul weather suit and use my motorbike..... > > Derick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:06 PM To: john Cc: Amburgey, > Derrick; Eliza the Cava; diesel-benz list Subject: [SPAM] Re: [db] Re: > 190D schematics? > > > Well it depends on the car. If you have to choose between a 560SEL > and a 300SDL for example, it will still be cheaper to drive the SDL > even though diesel is more expensive. Now if you have to choose > between an old 300D and a new honda or something like that, would > probably be cheaper on gas to drive the new honda. > > john wrote: > > > I've been meaning to do the math to see if driving a car with a gas > > engine is more affordable... the blasted Damocrats in this state > > have chosen to tax Diesel more than gas... > > > > john > > > > On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, Amburgey, Derrick wrote: > > > > > >>-->John, > >>--> > >>-->I like the idea of going through the inside of the car. > >>-->I have looked into this conversion. > >>-->If it is the one I am imagining it involves removing the spare > >>tire in > favor of a tire shaped tank. > >>-->I also summized if I were to do this I would route said hose > >>through > the passenger side along the floor board and through the fire wall. I > would then go across the foward channel where the cowling is and out > the driversside outer firewall. >>--> >>-->The 1984-5 models already > have a diesel fuel preheater installed. (not sure about the 1988) I > figured I would install my 6 way valve before it so I could take > advantage of the heater for maintaining heat on the WVO. >>--> >>-->If > diesel keeps climbing I may join the ranks of the WVO burners... :) > >>--> >>-->Good luck >>--> >>-->Derick >>--> >>-->-----Original > Message----- >>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >>-->[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >>-->Sent: > Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:09 PM >>-->To: Eliza the Cava >>-->Cc: > diesel-benz list >>-->Subject: [SPAM] [db] Re: 190D schematics? >>--> > >>--> >>-->I'd look at two possibilities: >>--> >>--> - one use > plumbers tape and short screws >>--> - use special adhesives to hold > the plumbing in the channel. >>--> >>-->I like the 2nd option more if > you live in a salted roads environment. >>--> >>-->no schematics... > but seems to me that there is wiring under the back seat, >>-->can't > remember which side... pop the backseat and take a gander... I'd > >>-->also consider running all that plumbing through the interior... > just a >>-->thought... not a complete one. ;) >>--> >>-->can't you > splice into the existing plumbing in the back and avoid running > >>-->lines forward? >>--> >>-->john >>--> >>-->On Sat, 30 Oct 2004, > Eliza the Cava wrote: >>--> Eliza the Cava > >>--> >>-->>-->Hi Diesel John Meister, >>-->>-->I found your name on a > listserv and hope you can help me. I am the >>-->>-->proud new owner > of a 190D 1988, in beautiful working order, and I've >>-->>-->just > converted it to run on a second tank of veggie oil. I'm happy > >>-->>-->with how the conversion looks, but I haven't tested it out > yet, >>-->>-->because due to the fact that there are hardly any > fixtures on the >>-->>-->solid underbody, my veggie hose is hanging > down several inches below >>-->>-->most of the passenger side > compartment. There's a nice channel in the >>-->>-->underbody, well > clear of the muffler, but nothing to attach my hose to >>-->>-->with > zipties/wire/brackets. Would you have any suggestions as to how > >>-->>-->I could figure out which parts of my underbody have important > parts >>-->>-->hidden above them that I shouldn't drill into, and > which parts are >>-->>-->safe? Or would you know anybody to refer me > to, or where I could get >>-->>-->the floor plan schematics? A > mechanic friend suggested tapping and >>-->>-->listening for hollow > places, assuming there's nothing very important >>-->>-->there, and > another friend suggested simple self-tapping sheet-metal > >>-->>-->eyehooks that would slowly screw in and probably wouldn't > mess with >>-->>-->any wiring. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Please help! > >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Thanks, >>-->>-->Eliza >>-->>--> >>-->>-->a college > kid with an ambitious project. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->-- >>-->>-->Eliza > Cava >>-->>-->Swarthmore College >>-->>-->610-690-5289 >>-->>--> >>--> > >>--> ---- >>--> > >>-->----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ -- >>--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > http://freegift.net ** >>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where > Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > >>-->----------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ -- >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 > >>--> >>-->--- >>-->Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>-->Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>-->Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 > >>--> >>--> > > > ---- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/ Claremore, OK > 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, > 85 300D, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D > Okie-Benz Parts-email for used MB parts > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1588 **********************************