From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Nov 9 07:30:20 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, November 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1605 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] 6.2L Diesel question(s) Re: [db] MB qualified tires Re: [db] updated web page [db] Shock Absorbers Re: [db] Shock Absorbers Re: [db] Shock Absorbers RE: [db] MB qualified tires Re: [db] Shock Absorbers [db] [Fwd: Jeep Diesel] Re: [db] [Fwd: Jeep Diesel] [db] 3.0L G-series Diesel? [db] 190 Windscreen wiper motor Re: [db] Shock Absorbers Re: [db] Cummins 3.9L TD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] 6.2L Diesel question(s) Is there any reason why I wouldn't want to use a 6.2L Diesel in my '83 J10? I'd probably keep it mated to the 700r4. thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:56:35 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] MB qualified tires On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:11:56PM -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: > My W124 coupe has worn Michelin Energy MXV4+ (195/65-15 HR), Michelin Pilot > XGT V4 (205/60-15 VR), and Kumho 716 HP4 (205/60-15 HR), but I'm now on > Yokohama AVS Db2 (195-65-15 VR), and > I think I like them. Interesting. Alec, which did you prefer, the Kumhos or Yokohamas? I was thinking of a set of those kumhos (but not the v-rated, h is more than adequate for a 72 hp car) for the 190D when the current set of pirellis wear out, which should be sometime next month. The pirellis are great, fwiw, but I took a big hit in economy with them - almost 10%. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:08:56 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] updated web page On Sun, Nov 07, 2004 at 04:33:31PM -0800, john wrote: > all I know is the one I had was a wagon and had > the maserati v6, two timing chains, a heater core > in the center of the console that was as bad as > a taurus (or worse) to replace... and as soon > as my buddy's divorce was final he took it back. :) PRV v6, actually - a joint effort between Volvo, Peugeot, and Renault. It also made its way into the Delorean. It was seriously as fussy as a thorobred, and it did weird things with oil pressure for the timing chains. If you ever end up with one, don't plane the heads. The spec allows for a range of about .005, and when people drop heads off at a machine shop, they usually get planed by about .010. Yes, this is enough to cause catastrophic failure. I can't remember the designation for the diesel, since the diesel was also a six banger (one cyl tacked on the audi five, or two on the VW four). The v6 gasser wagon was a 265, though. They also used the 6 designation on high trim level turbo fours, but I don't think they ever did that on the 240/260s - I think that was just 760s and 960s. I almost bought a diesel volvo wagon, but decided that a mercedes was a better buy from a longevity standpoint. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:20:35 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] Shock Absorbers I've just become a Koni dealer on the Jaguar side of the shop. If there's interest here in Mercedes land, I'd be happy to put together a group buy at dealer cost. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Shock Absorbers On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Mike Frank wrote: >-->I've just become a Koni dealer on the Jaguar side of the shop. If there's >-->interest here in Mercedes land, I'd be happy to put together a group buy >-->at dealer cost. >-->Mike Frank got shocks for this Jag: http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ideas-etc/jag2.jpg ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:46:49 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] Shock Absorbers Nice. Is there a Diesel in that baby? Mike Frank >got shocks for this Jag: > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ideas-etc/jag2.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:52:32 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] MB qualified tires I was pretty happy with the Kumho 716s, especially for the price. Only major complaint is that they don't match up well when one axle has the Kumhos and one has either Michelin or Yoko. Feels like lateral sidewall flex is different, so if there's a bit of a bump when changing lanes, for example, it feels like one end of the car wiggles a little more. I tend to replace tires just a pair at a time, so I encountered this on my way into the Kumhos and again now on my way out of them (currently have the Yokos in front, Kumhos in back), but when it was just Kumho all around, that wobble sensation disappeared. I guess as long as the fronts and the backs wobble similarly, it doesn't come through to the steering wheel and my seat. I switched to the Yokos because I was hoping for a little quicker steering response. I fool myself into thinking the V rating will contribute to that, and I think these ones are intended to be a little sportier than the Kumhos. On a 190D, I think a full set of the Kumhos would be a good match and a great bargain. Alec - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:57 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] MB qualified tires On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 05:11:56PM -0600, Alec Cordova wrote: > My W124 coupe has worn Michelin Energy MXV4+ (195/65-15 HR), Michelin Pilot > XGT V4 (205/60-15 VR), and Kumho 716 HP4 (205/60-15 HR), but I'm now on > Yokohama AVS Db2 (195-65-15 VR), and > I think I like them. Interesting. Alec, which did you prefer, the Kumhos or Yokohamas? I was thinking of a set of those kumhos (but not the v-rated, h is more than adequate for a 72 hp car) for the 190D when the current set of pirellis wear out, which should be sometime next month. The pirellis are great, fwiw, but I took a big hit in economy with them - - almost 10%. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 85 190D (2.2, 5spd) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Shock Absorbers On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Mike Frank wrote: >-->Nice. Is there a Diesel in that baby? no, a Chevy 350 in a '74 chevy p/u chassis >-->Mike Frank >--> >--> >-->>got shocks for this Jag: >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/ideas-etc/jag2.jpg >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 19:28:08 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] [Fwd: Jeep Diesel] John: I am in awe of your willingness to skin knuckles, but this may be the true road to continued wedded bliss. Have to meet up with you some day over a cup of joe. Ed USA: Jeep prices turbodiesel Liberty SUV line 08 Nov 2004 Source: just-auto.com editorial team The US retail pricing for the four-wheel drive 2005 Jeep Liberty (Cherokee for export) common rail diesel (CRD) model line, the first diesel mid-size sport-utility vehicle to be sold in the US, will start at $25,125, including $610 destination charge. The base MSRP for the plusher CRD Limited version is $27,355, including $610 destination. The diesel models reach US dealers later this year. "Response to the new Jeep Liberty CRD has been huge," a Jeep spokesman said. "Nearly 40,000 consumers have expressed interest in the diesel-powered Jeep Liberty, well ahead of the manufacturing launch in November." Jeep has offered diesel Cherokees in Europe for over a decade, beginning with the previous generation model in the early 1990s. Current export market buyers get a choice of 2.5- or 2.8-litre VM-made turbodiesels in their Ohio-built models - most of the export market Grand Cherokees are, in contrast, built by Magna Steyr in Austria. But the US is getting the Liberty diesel only with the 2.8. The US-specification engine produces 160 horsepower and gets an estimated fuel economy of 22 miles city and 27 miles highway. Jeep claims the 2.8-litre diesel gives the Liberty best-in-class results in three categories: 295 lb-ft of torque at 1,800 rpm; driving range of approximately 500 miles, and a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs. Production for the US market begins at the Toledo North assembly plant later and each vehicle will be fuelled with B5 diesel, comprising 5% biodiesel made from locally grown soybeans. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:37:04 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] [Fwd: Jeep Diesel] On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->John: >-->I am in awe of your willingness to skin knuckles, but this may be the >-->true road to continued wedded bliss. not sure what skinned up knuckles has to do with being married for 29 years this month... ;) I guess it has saved us a bunch of money that we would have spent in car payments/repairs. :) >-->Have to meet up with you some day >-->over a cup of joe. >-->Ed here, there or in between... ;) Snohomish by night, Seattle by day... :) Prefer Tullys... but we've got our own espresso machines here in the break rooms... nice Wega's. :) if you're downtown stop by... ;) thanx for sharing this info. :) john >-->USA: Jeep prices turbodiesel Liberty SUV line >-->08 Nov 2004 >-->Source: just-auto.com editorial team >--> >-->The US retail pricing for the four-wheel drive 2005 Jeep Liberty >-->(Cherokee for export) common rail diesel (CRD) model line, the first >-->diesel mid-size sport-utility vehicle to be sold in the US, will start >-->at $25,125, including $610 destination charge. >--> $26K... not bad, the only problem is that I was told there are more dealers than available Diesels... that could lead to a pricing war. :( >-->The base MSRP for the plusher CRD Limited version is $27,355, including >-->$610 destination. The diesel models reach US dealers later this year. keep going... by the time I get what I want in one of these it'll be pushing $30k, plus nearly 9% in Washington State Sales Tax... so the reality is that this isn't likely in my future... :) >-->"Response to the new Jeep Liberty CRD has been huge," a Jeep spokesman >-->said. "Nearly 40,000 consumers have expressed interest in the >-->diesel-powered Jeep Liberty, well ahead of the manufacturing launch in >-->November." I was told they were only going to do about 5,000 of these rascals, perhaps the dealer was misinformed! We can only hope. :) >-->Jeep has offered diesel Cherokees in Europe for over a decade, beginning >-->with the previous generation model in the early 1990s. Current export >-->market buyers get a choice of 2.5- or 2.8-litre VM-made turbodiesels in >-->their Ohio-built models - most of the export market Grand Cherokees are, >-->in contrast, built by Magna Steyr in Austria. But the US is getting the >-->Liberty diesel only with the 2.8. I'll take whatever they offer... :) maybe... ;) >-->The US-specification engine produces 160 horsepower and gets an >-->estimated fuel economy of 22 miles city and 27 miles highway. Jeep >-->claims the 2.8-litre diesel gives the Liberty best-in-class results in >-->three categories: 295 lb-ft of torque at 1,800 rpm; driving range of >-->approximately 500 miles, and a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs. >--> >-->Production for the US market begins at the Toledo North assembly plant >-->later and each vehicle will be fuelled with B5 diesel, comprising 5% >-->biodiesel made from locally grown soybeans. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:23:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] 3.0L G-series Diesel? they talk of a 6 cyl 3.0L Diesel in this article http://www.jimrogers.com/thrill/index.html is this the same one used in the '87 and up 124 series? john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:58:20 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: [db] 190 Windscreen wiper motor Our mechanic has put our problems with the battery down to a dead wiper motor. Anyone know where I can source one of these apart from MB direct? Thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:11:00 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] Shock Absorbers At 03:46 PM 11/8/2004 , Mike Frank wrote: >>got shocks for this Jag: I especially like the Chevy logos on the running boards...very classy Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA gfior-at-dslnorthwest.net '86 300SDL Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 F-350 6.9 crew cab - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:13:10 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Cummins 3.9L TD I believe the OM617 designation covers all variants of the inline 5 diesel used in the late seventies through '85, turbo or otherwise. I am looking to use a turbo variant from '82 or later, which will be going in my '76 Bronco. I figure if it can move the G wagon effectively, it should be able to handle a Bronco of similar size and weight. 4000 pounds shouldn't be an issue as long as you're not drag racing. J.B. At 04:39 PM 11/8/2004, you wrote: >the OM617, that's the mid '80's 3.0L Benz TD, right? > >what are you putting it in? will it push 4,000lbs of FSJ? > >john > >On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, J.B. Hebert wrote: > > >-->It's a great motor... direct injected, obscene HP and torque, great fuel > >-->ecconomy. Uses Chevy bolt pattern for the tranny, I > believe. Problem is, > >-->everyone I've talked to that has used them in a swap says expect to pay > >-->over $5k for a motor in good running condition. Also, the motor > readlines > >-->at between 3000 and 3500 RPM, so gearing is critical if you want to > be able > >-->to crawl and cruise in the same rig. If you can find one for decent > money, > >-->grab it and have fun. Personally, unless I can find one for a song, I'm > >-->sticking with an OM617 for my swap. > >--> > >-->J.B. > >--> > >-->At 01:18 PM 11/8/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >-->>in talking with one of my "verizon" friends from the Diesel Benz list > >-->>this morning the topic of the Cummins BT4 3.9L Diesel came up... I'm > >-->>thinking this may be a good candidate for SuperDawg... (so I'd > >-->>keep the '99WJ, drive the '91 300d until SuperDawg is done (with a > 3.9L TD) > >-->>and then sell the '91 300d... net total, two vehicles. :) Of course > >-->>the other Diesel option is to get a 3.0L Benz Diesel and drop it in an > >-->>XJ... but this Cummins out of a delivery truck idea has a lot of > merit... :) > >-->> > >-->> > >-->>so, any info on where to find the 3.9L Cummins TD or related info would > >-->>be appreciated... > >-->> > >-->>thanx > >-->>john > >-->> > >-->> > >-->>misc links and info: > >-->> > >-->>http://www.usdieselparts.com/pages.cfm?id=100&application=Cummins&pro > duct=Remanufactured%20Engines%20and%20Accessories&code=380 > >-->> > >-->> http://www.powerpro2000.com/diesel_lb_cummins.htm > >-->> > >-->>http://www.usdieselparts.com/reman_engs.cfm > >-->> > >-->> > >-->>http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/Facts/diesel_sales.htm > >-->> > >-->>Brief history of the Dodge Ram / Cummins Diesel combination (From > TDR #1) > >-->> > >-->>The Cummins B series (3.9L 4 cylinder and 5.9L six cylinder) diesel was > >-->>developed in the early 1980's as a joint venture between Cummins and > Case > >-->>tractor. Cummins was to provide the engine expertise, Case the > production > >-->>volume. In 1984, an active step van/ bread truck repower program > for the > >-->>Ford E350 and GM P30 chassis was successfully promoted by Cummins. > >-->> > >-->>As B production capacity expanded, Cummins began actively seeking a > major > >-->>OEM entry for the 6B 5.9L engine in a pickup truck chassis. The 6B was > >-->>seen by Dodge as a possibility for the aging Ram 250 and 350 which > had no > >-->>diesel option. In late 1986, Dodge and Cummins reached an agreement to > >-->>target the 1998 model year for the ram diesel. Cumins accepted the > >-->>engineering challenge of mating the engine to the existing Dodge Ram > >-->>chassis. As unseen technical problems surfaced, the introduction was > >-->>rescheduled for the 1989 model. > >-->> > >-->>The first year forecast was for less than 8,000 Dodge diesel pickups, > >-->>with sales expected to grow by 3,000 trucks each following year. Ram > >-->>diesel sales for 1989 surpassed 16,000 trucks and the numbers have > >-->>continued to grow. > >-->> > >-->>Cummins data indicates that the life of the B engine in a medium duty > >-->>truck is slightly over 300,000 miles. Estimated engine life in the > pickup > >-->>is unknown because few engines have failed or worn out, and there are > >-->>numerous reports of over 800,000 miles. > >-->> > >-->> > >-->>On Mon, 8 Nov 2004, john wrote: > >-->>http://www.thedieselpage.com/readers/vet.htm - corvette Diesel > >-->>http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=17723&papass=&sor > t=1&size=medium&thecat= > >-->>http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=18129&papass=&sor > t=1&thecat=500 > >-->> > >-->> >-->misc: > >-->> >-->http://www.spaceweather.com/ - northern lights and meteor showers > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > >-->>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >--> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1605 **********************************