From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 17 23:17:45 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, November 18 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1617 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] H4 conversions round or rectangular... Re: [db] fuel economy Re: [db] Turning radius Re: [db] Turning radius [db] small ray of sunshine Re: [db] small ray of sunshine [db] Re: H4 conversions round or rectangular... Re: [db] small ray of sunshine [db] Re: H4 conversions round or rectangular... Re: [db] small ray of sunshine [db] Re: New Jeep pickup! Re: [db] Tools for MB (etc, the drill dr.) Re: [db] A small ray of sunshine... 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] H4 conversions round or rectangular... >-->So, what do I buy to convert my 123 to H-4 lighting? http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-ROUND-H4/ http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/All-the-pix.html http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/H4.html (old page, some of the images are missing... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-replacement-ROUND.html john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 12:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fuel economy On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->My gosh my 4X4 1-ton pickup gets better than that! Scrap that thing! actually going to tune it, change the oil, air filter... should get at least 17mpg in town by the time I'm done switching it over to amsoil. ;) john >--> >-->;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->P.S. Just let me know which salvage yard it goes to ;) >--> >--> >-->> my wife hasn't been keeping records either... I filled up her >-->> WJ yesterday and learned it's getting about 15mpg... better than the >-->> v8 version, but still not good... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, wmpless wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hi, >-->> >-->on the "Continent" it is still xL/100km - same in Canada. >-->> >-->With careful driving I average with my 86 190D 2.5L. slush box, >-->about 7.2L per >-->> >-->100 km. >-->> >-->My wife is driving a Saturn L series stationwagon with a 4 cyl. >-->engine. She >-->> >-->never bothered to find actual consumption but must say car fairly >-->economical. >-->> >-->Engine revs much lower than the one in my 190. Cheers >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 01:25:22 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] Turning radius On Wednesday 17 November 2004 12:47, john wrote: > >-->Hope this helps. > has to, you even provided it in metric... ;) Of course, there are _some_ civilized people on this list ;-3p Cheers, Ron. - -- Virtue is its own punishment. -- Denniston -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:02:46 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Turning radius On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:25:22AM -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > has to, you even provided it in metric... ;) > > Of course, there are _some_ civilized people on this list ;-3p I tried really hard to avoid this flame bait, but... the thing that drives me bonkers is having to have metric stuff around to keep the 190D happy. How obnoxious is it to have to convert your standard guess to metric? And on top of that have ANOTHER set of tools around? Bah. Only thing worse than that is the XZN garbage, but I bet my calipers will prove it to be metric :) Yes, I am pretty darned uncivilized too. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:10:48 -0500 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] small ray of sunshine Hi, have in my W201 European head lights made by Hella with H4 bulbs. During my recent trip to Europe checked out the price for these units and was surprised to learn that a set sell for Euros 500.00. My right side was hit by a stone and had a hole in the glass. Glad, I was able to buy a replacement glass for Euros 55.00 Understand that some of the head light offered on e-bay are made in the Far East and are of inferior quality. The Bosch and Hella head lights look the same but the glass when interchanged will not seal. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] small ray of sunshine the other thing I've noticed with the hella and bosch glass is that it's not nearly as thick as the ipf's... also, there is another off-bosch brand made in italy called candella???. They're all about the same price, but I think IPF will be harder to find... ARB is the only importer... I wrote some articles for ARB back around '97 or so... john On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, wmpless wrote: >-->Hi, >-->have in my W201 European head lights made by Hella with H4 bulbs. During my >-->recent trip to Europe checked out the price for these units and was surprised >-->to learn that a set sell for Euros 500.00. My right side was hit by a stone >-->and had a hole in the glass. Glad, I was able to buy a replacement glass for >-->Euros 55.00 Understand that some of the head light offered on e-bay are made >-->in the Far East and are of inferior quality. The Bosch and Hella head lights >-->look the same but the glass when interchanged will not seal. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:55:43 -0500 From: Marc Subject: [db] Re: H4 conversions round or rectangular... John, This email answers my questions from my last email to you, thanks. What types of fog/driving lamps are those on your Jeep? I'm looking to replace the factory fogs on my '89 XJ. I hope that I can do it while also using the existing wiring. Marc in NC john wrote: -->So, what do I buy to convert my 123 to H-4 lighting? http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-ROUND-H4/ http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/All-the-pix.html http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/H4.html (old page, some of the images are missing... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-replacement-ROUND.html john ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:57:30 -0800 From: "tomdurkin" Subject: Re: [db] small ray of sunshine John, What price are you looking at for those IPF jobs? I am looking at $32 for 5.25 round Bosch with Oshram 55/60 H-4 bulbs Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "wmpless" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [db] small ray of sunshine > the other thing I've noticed with the hella and bosch glass > is that it's not nearly as thick as the ipf's... also, there > is another off-bosch brand made in italy called candella???. > > They're all about the same price, but I think IPF will be > harder to find... ARB is the only importer... I wrote > some articles for ARB back around '97 or so... > > john > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, wmpless wrote: > > >-->Hi, > >-->have in my W201 European head lights made by Hella with H4 bulbs. During my > >-->recent trip to Europe checked out the price for these units and was surprised > >-->to learn that a set sell for Euros 500.00. My right side was hit by a stone > >-->and had a hole in the glass. Glad, I was able to buy a replacement glass for > >-->Euros 55.00 Understand that some of the head light offered on e-bay are made > >-->in the Far East and are of inferior quality. The Bosch and Hella head lights > >-->look the same but the glass when interchanged will not seal. > >--> > > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ---------------------------------------------------------- - --------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: H4 conversions round or rectangular... On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Marc wrote: >-->John, >--> This email answers my questions from my last email to you, thanks. >-->What types of fog/driving lamps are those on your Jeep? I'm looking >-->to replace the factory fogs on my '89 XJ. I hope that I can do it while >-->also using the existing wiring. I've got like three or four sets of lights laying around... :) I've got the Marchalls from the FSJ, a set of J-01 combo lights, a set of the driving lights, and another set of massive wattage driving lights... I like the IPF foglights, but not with the goofy little driving light setup, go with the plain foglights. there are some new style fog lights out there... visit a shop and look around... :) I've had several set of Bosch fog lights that I've liked. The elcheapos at McParts or from JcWhitney are useless... get a good set... You'll be fine with Bosch, Hella, IPF or some of the other quality lights... oh yeah, piaa. you can use the factory wiring w/o trouble, they have a relay in the system! I really like the wiring harnesses and switches that come from IPF. john >--> >-->Marc in NC >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >--> -->So, what do I buy to convert my 123 to H-4 lighting? >--> >--> >--> http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-ROUND-H4/ >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/All-the-pix.html >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/H4-lamps/H4.html >--> >-->(old page, some of the images are missing... :) >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-replacement-ROUND.html >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] small ray of sunshine On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, tomdurkin wrote: >-->John, What price are you looking at for those IPF jobs? I am >-->looking at $32 for 5.25 round Bosch with Oshram 55/60 H-4 >-->bulbs >-->Tom I'm not sure what they're going for right now... they were in that neighborhood when I got mine... when was that??? '97??? wow.... I only have one "extra" set, sort of, of the rectangulars... I have a set on SuperDawg, but since I plan on getting an XJ in the future, and should keep a spare set for my J10... I guess I'm not interested in selling mine... :) ARB-USA should have a list of distributers... Central 4wd is one, as are a number of other 4x4 shops. I'd be a reseller in a heartbeat, but in order for me to sell them I have to buy $10k worth of them... My side business isn't in a position to invest that much... I built up an inventory of amsoil in the '80s and still have stock left... I'm just not interested in peddaling stuff without a store front... I guess I prefer having benefits, a day job and playing with other people's computers. :) Anyway, I'd kick up the bulbs a bit at least with the Bosch and find some IPF magic greens, 55w rated but actually put out more effective light... or try the silverstars... or piaa's... although the piaas may not hold up as well. They also have a higher output at the "same" wattage model... check with a local shop. ONe of the guys on the xj list had a set of piaas and I think bosch lenses... he got a rock chip and blew out his piaas... we all noticed the better lens of the IPFs... I sold him a set of extra bulbs I had so he could get the rest of the way home... john >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: "wmpless" >-->Cc: >-->Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 5:06 PM >-->Subject: Re: [db] small ray of sunshine >--> >--> >-->> the other thing I've noticed with the hella and bosch >-->glass >-->> is that it's not nearly as thick as the ipf's... also, >-->there >-->> is another off-bosch brand made in italy called >-->candella???. >-->> >-->> They're all about the same price, but I think IPF will be >-->> harder to find... ARB is the only importer... I wrote >-->> some articles for ARB back around '97 or so... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, wmpless wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hi, >-->> >-->have in my W201 European head lights made by Hella >-->with H4 bulbs. During my >-->> >-->recent trip to Europe checked out the price for these >-->units and was surprised >-->> >-->to learn that a set sell for Euros 500.00. My right >-->side was hit by a stone >-->> >-->and had a hole in the glass. Glad, I was able to buy a >-->replacement glass for >-->> >-->Euros 55.00 Understand that some of the head light >-->offered on e-bay are made >-->> >-->in the Far East and are of inferior quality. The Bosch >-->and Hella head lights >-->> >-->look the same but the glass when interchanged will not >-->seal. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------- >-->--------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net >-->** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, >-->they mold. >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------- >-->--------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: New Jeep pickup! wow. It looks like a cross between a TJ and a Willys PU. I love the extended cab and the spare on the side... and I really, really love the DIESEL. If they make this thing I will be very interested in it... Body on frame... of course the article says it's not a Jeep frame, but I don't care at this point... it'll be a Diesel, a 4x4 and an extended cab... the green color has to go though... :) john On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Jim Blair wrote: >-->It's diesel powered! >--> >-->More info on the new Jeep truck, PLUS a FSJ pic posted in a news site! >-->http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/news,view.spy?artid=31956&pg=1 >--> >-->http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0411/17/B01-7604.htm >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Tools for MB (etc, the drill dr.) this is the kind of thing I've heard from Paul Harvey's ads too... I'm sold... :) I've got a large drawer filled with "needy" bits. I've seen these on sale for a bit less... will have to look around. :) thanx, john On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Thomas J. Harais wrote: >-->I bought one about a year ago when I went to drill something and found, >-->once again, that my smaller bits were almost useless from dullness. I >-->found it hard to believe the difference it made (I used to try >-->sharpening the bits on my 6" grinding wheel and thought I was doing a >-->good job). I promptly pulled out my entire set of drill bits, including >-->lots of loose items rolling around the workbench drawer that didn't go >-->in my Craftsman, matched set and sharpened every one of them. It was >-->simple and easy and even worked on some cobolt bits I bought for a >-->special project involving hardened steel tubing. I didn't have any >-->brad point bits, but it will sharpen those too. I have a set of spade >-->point, large wood boring bits but don't remember if I have sharpened >-->those on it or not. >--> >-->The convinience and simplicity alone was worth it. Now, I don't attempt >-->to use a bit that's not cutting through without sharpening it, since it >-->only takes a minute and avoids an hour of frustration. This is >-->especially true when working on an auto like our MBs where you are >-->drilling steel. >--> >-->In summary, I'm quite pleased with the unit. I believe I paid $89.00 >-->for it on sale at Home Depot, but I could be wrong. ;-) >--> >-->Tom H., '87 300 SDL >--> >-->wmpless wrote: >-->> Hi, >-->> Having sharp drill bits will make many jobs easier. >-->> A local store has at present the sharpener "Drill Doctor" >-->> on sale. Wondering whether anybody has this unit and whether it really works >-->> to sharpen bits. Thanks in advance for a reply >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] A small ray of sunshine... here's the ARB H4 kit, there are others out there as well: http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/May-3-2000-FSJ-project-pix/IPF-light-install/wiringharnesspkg.jpg john On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, Marc wrote: >--> >-->John, I checked on these for my XJ today. Apparently, if you go with >-->the 55w >-->model the existing wiring can be used. But, if you go higher than 55w, >-->additional >-->wiring should be purchased. >--> >-->Is this also true for the 123 model? >--> >-->Marc Z in NC >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->>the IPF conversion lamps (available via ARB-USA) are excellent. >-->> >-->>I have a set of rectangular ones I'll be using again... so >-->>they have them for the 126 & 201 models... >-->>the round ones for the 123. >-->> >-->>Highly recommend the IPF's. Excellent quality lenses, much better >-->>than the Bosch or Hellas. >-->> >-->>john >-->> >-->>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, J.B. Hebert wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1617 **********************************