From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Dec 3 07:39:19 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, December 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1639 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... sensor up by the mirror... vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode triodes, pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a moment... :) john On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum tubes >-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I need >-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:49:46 -0500 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I try to dislodge them. john wrote: > it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... > > sensor up by the mirror... > > vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode triodes, > pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a moment... :) > > john > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: > > >>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum tubes >>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I need >>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >>--> >> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:48:26 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current 89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is still fully mounted? Alec - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Paul Brown Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM To: john Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I try to dislodge them. john wrote: > it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... > > sensor up by the mirror... > > vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode triodes, > pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a moment... :) > > john > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: > > >>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum tubes >>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I need >>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >>--> >> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: >-->Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? >--> >-->The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current >-->89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five >-->distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan >-->speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. that's just like my '83 and '91 >-->Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is >-->still fully mounted? I have one of the older styles too... actually 2, one is in the '77. :) john >--> >-->Alec >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >-->On Behalf Of Paul Brown >-->Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM >-->To: john >-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? >--> >-->Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If >-->you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with >-->small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that >-->will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I >-->try to dislodge them. >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... >-->> >-->> sensor up by the mirror... >-->> >-->> vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode >-->triodes, >-->> pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a >-->moment... :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum >-->tubes >-->>>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I >-->need >-->>>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >-->>>--> >-->>> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:23:24 -0500 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? This is the "older" version, with the temperature wheel on the left and five distribution buttons vertically stacked in the middle, with an a/c compressor on/off switch on the right. john wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: > > >>-->Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? >>--> >>-->The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current >>-->89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five >>-->distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan >>-->speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. >> > > that's just like my '83 and '91 > > >>-->Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is >>-->still fully mounted? >> > > I have one of the older styles too... actually 2, one is in the '77. :) > > john > > >>--> >>-->Alec >>--> >>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >>-->On Behalf Of Paul Brown >>-->Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM >>-->To: john >>-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? >>--> >>-->Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If >>-->you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with >>-->small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that >>-->will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I >>-->try to dislodge them. >>--> >>-->john wrote: >>--> >>-->> it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... >>-->> >>-->> sensor up by the mirror... >>-->> >>-->> vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode >>-->triodes, >>-->> pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a >>-->moment... :) >>-->> >>-->> john >>-->> >>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum >>-->tubes >>-->>>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I >>-->need >>-->>>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >>-->>>--> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> ---- >>-->> >>-->> >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->- >>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->> >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->- >>--> >> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >-->This is the "older" version, with the temperature wheel on the left and >-->five distribution buttons vertically stacked in the middle, with an a/c >-->compressor on/off switch on the right. >--> does that have a computer? john >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? >-->>>--> >-->>>-->The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current >-->>>-->89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five >-->>>-->distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan >-->>>-->speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. >-->>> >-->> >-->> that's just like my '83 and '91 >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is >-->>>-->still fully mounted? >-->>> >-->> >-->> I have one of the older styles too... actually 2, one is in the '77. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Alec >-->>>--> >-->>>-->-----Original Message----- >-->>>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >-->>>-->On Behalf Of Paul Brown >-->>>-->Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM >-->>>-->To: john >-->>>-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->>>-->Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If >-->>>-->you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with >-->>>-->small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that >-->>>-->will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I >-->>>-->try to dislodge them. >-->>>--> >-->>>-->john wrote: >-->>>--> >-->>>-->> it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> sensor up by the mirror... >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode >-->>>-->triodes, >-->>>-->> pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a >-->>>-->moment... :) >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> john >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->>>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum >-->>>-->tubes >-->>>-->>>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I >-->>>-->need >-->>>-->>>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >-->>>-->>>--> >-->>>-->>> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> ---- >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->>>-->- >-->>>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>>-->> >-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->>>-->- >-->>>--> >-->>> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:56:49 -0500 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Gotta have some logic circuit that samples the inside temperature, compares it with the wheel setting, decides whether to turn on the a/c compressor or run heated coolant through the heat exchanger, decide on fan speed, etc. john wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: > > >>-->This is the "older" version, with the temperature wheel on the left and >>-->five distribution buttons vertically stacked in the middle, with an a/c >>-->compressor on/off switch on the right. >>--> >> > > > does that have a computer? > > john > > >>--> >>--> >>-->john wrote: >>--> >>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current >>-->>>-->89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five >>-->>>-->distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan >>-->>>-->speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> that's just like my '83 and '91 >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is >>-->>>-->still fully mounted? >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> I have one of the older styles too... actually 2, one is in the '77. :) >>-->> >>-->> john >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Alec >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->>>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >>-->>>-->On Behalf Of Paul Brown >>-->>>-->Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM >>-->>>-->To: john >>-->>>-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->>>-->Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If >>-->>>-->you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with >>-->>>-->small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that >>-->>>-->will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I >>-->>>-->try to dislodge them. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->john wrote: >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->> it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> sensor up by the mirror... >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode >>-->>>-->triodes, >>-->>>-->> pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a >>-->>>-->moment... :) >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> john >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->>>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum >>-->>>-->tubes >>-->>>-->>>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I >>-->>>-->need >>-->>>-->>>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >>-->>>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->>> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> ---- >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->>>-->- >>-->>>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->>>-->- >>-->>>--> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> ---- >>-->> >>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>--> >>--> >> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:00:45 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? What? You don't think our beloved 70's Rube Goldberg-worshipping MB engineers couldn't accomplish all that with some bimetallic strips and lots of vacuum? ;-) Other than that, I don't know where the brains would be. Alec - -----Original Message----- From: Paul Brown [mailto:pbrown-at-wmblaw.org] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:57 AM To: john Cc: Cordova, Alec - Authorized Dell Representative; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? Gotta have some logic circuit that samples the inside temperature, compares it with the wheel setting, decides whether to turn on the a/c compressor or run heated coolant through the heat exchanger, decide on fan speed, etc. john wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: > > >>-->This is the "older" version, with the temperature wheel on the left and >>-->five distribution buttons vertically stacked in the middle, with an a/c >>-->compressor on/off switch on the right. >>--> >> > > > does that have a computer? > > john > > >>--> >>--> >>-->john wrote: >>--> >>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com wrote: >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->Does a 1980 have the older or the newer automatic climate control? >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->The "newer" version, like the one in my previous 85 300D and my current >>-->>>-->89 300CE, has a vertical temperature wheel on the left, five >>-->>>-->distribution buttons horizontally across the middle, then three fan >>-->>>-->speed buttons stacked vertically on the right. >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> that's just like my '83 and '91 >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>-->Does this sound anything like your control layout when everything is >>-->>>-->still fully mounted? >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> I have one of the older styles too... actually 2, one is in the '77. :) >>-->> >>-->> john >>-->> >>-->> >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Alec >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->>>-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >>-->>>-->On Behalf Of Paul Brown >>-->>>-->Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:50 PM >>-->>>-->To: john >>-->>>-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->>>-->Subject: Re: [db] Where did my climate control computer go to? >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->Looks too small to have anything except switch contacts inside. If >>-->>>-->you're correct, how do I get it out? It is secured to the car with >>-->>>-->small pins top & bottom, and the pins secured with tiny circlips that >>-->>>-->will (doubtless) go "sproing" and be lost forever behind the dash if I >>-->>>-->try to dislodge them. >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->john wrote: >>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->> it's in that button assembly... printed circuit board... >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> sensor up by the mirror... >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> vacuum tubes? :) oh, lines... not tubes... I'm thinking duo-diode >>-->>>-->triodes, >>-->>>-->> pentagrids and so on... had a flashback to the sixties there for a >>-->>>-->moment... :) >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> john >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote: >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->>>-->After tearing apart the dash, and finding only wires and vacuum >>-->>>-->tubes >>-->>>-->>>-->behind the push buttons of my 1980 300D climate control system, I >>-->>>-->need >>-->>>-->>>-->to know where its computer is. Where do I look? >>-->>>-->>>--> >>-->>>-->>> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> ---- >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->-------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- >>-->>>-->- >>-->>>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->>>-->> >>-->>>-->-------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- >>-->>>-->- >>-->>>--> >>-->>> >>-->> >>-->> ---- >>-->> >>-->> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - >>-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >>-->> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>--> >>--> >> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1639 **********************************