From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Dec 4 17:23:04 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, December 5 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1644 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198 RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D Re: FW: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D Re: [db] Introduction from Schenectady, NY - Newbie - Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Peter" Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198 John, actually I was using the Firefox web browser. It seems this browser is not compatible with my web based email from myway.com which was designed to work with MS explorer. Thus I have switched over to Explorer. I gather everything looks a bit more legible :-) With Regards,Peter From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com]To: plandy-at-myway.comCc: diesel-benz-at-digest.netDate: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:20:31 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198the fuses will look good, even ohm out... but the fracture willbreak the connection with vibrations... :)what kind of mail tool are you using? you've got really long lines...must be a microsoft product. :)johnOn Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Peter wrote:>-->John,>-->>-->>-->The Rube Goldberg diagram is very interesting. It should help keeping my sense of humor intact while I struggle with the second and third diagram below that :-) BTW: Thanks for the vacuum diagram!>-->>-->>-->Exactly how do vuses fake us out? Like they look good and still "jump" juice but at much degraded current?>-->>-->>-->With Regards,>-->>-->Pete>-->>-->>-->>-->>-->>--> --- On Fri 12/03, john < john-at-wagoneers.com > wrote:>-->>-->From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com]>-->>-->To: Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com>-->>--> Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net>-->>-->Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:15:55 -0800 (PST)>-->>-->Subject: RE: [db] Introduction from Schenectady, NY - Newbie ->-->>-->>-->>-->Oyeah, here's one of the diagrams for it... :)http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/rube-goldberg-example.jpghere's the higher level view:http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/VACUUM-Diagrams/300d-turbo-1981-84-vac.jpghere's a picture of one of the computers, note picture 4 especially:http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/ClimateControls/:)oh yeah, take a CLOSE look at the fuses, no... just replace them,they'll fake you out:http://ww w.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/Electrical/john-----------------------------------------------------------------------------** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net **Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold.------------------------------------------------------------------------->-->>-->_______________________________________________>-->No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.>-->Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com>-->-----------------------------------------------------------------------------** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net **Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold.------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Peter" Subject: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D Alec, no the cruise control issue had to be with someone else :-) Hmm so at least now I know something is wrong somewhere which contributes to the MB's long lag. I'll get back on this with you as soon as I can start working on it With Regards,Peter From: Alec Cordova [mailto: acordova-at-texas.net]To: Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.netDate: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 22:54:00 -0600Subject: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300DDidn't you already ask about the cruise control not holding high speeds onthis car?It definitely sounds like you have some serious slack in your acceleratorlinkage. You should be able to adjust this all out to improve both yourcruise control and your pedal response. Turbo lag shouldn't be too bad onthis. My 85 had a different torque converter stall speed and a slightlydifferent rear axle ratio, so it was darned near peppy, but yours should atleast be reasonably responsive.Alec> -----Original Message-----> From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net> [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Marc> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:38 PM> To: plandy-at-myway.com> Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D>>> Hello Peter,>> On your pedal piece, you may want to look at the linkage in the engine> compartment. Move the one closest to the firewall and watch the rest> of the linkage. You may be able to see where the slack is. I'd be very> careful what you adjust, though.>> On the tank, it's easy once it's empty. Remove the partition in your> trunk> and you'll see it. As I remember, all bolts are in the trunk. Once you> disconnect the hoses (filler and fuel lines to front (to and from engine),> and disconnect the fuel sensor wire, it should come right out. I had> mine steam cleaned at a radiator shop back in 1991 when I had an> algae problem. I've been using BioBor ever since once in a while.>> Marc Z in NC>> Peter wrote:>> >> >> >Well where shall I begin? While road testing the MB I noted it> required pressing the gas pedal almost close to middle range> before the engine started revving or responding. I am aware that> these turbo diesels "lag" but didn't realize it was to this> extent. Although once it revs it takes off OK. Since I don't> know if this is normal or something I should be looking into I> welcome your opinion. As a matter of fact all is welcomed to> chime in. The more opinions the merrier :-)> >> >> >> >Also I am thinking of starting out by removing the fuel tank for> a cleanup. How big of a job is this? Is there a risk of running> into nasty rusted bolts? Well that's it for now I'll save the> rest for another day :) _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:45:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Peter" Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D John, what type/brand of after market filter do you recommend or currently using on your MB? Especiall whic filter also has the fuel/water separator? With Regards,Peter From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com]To: brown-at-wmblaw.orgCc: marcz-at-pobox.com, plandy-at-myway.com, diesel-benz-at-digest.netDate: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:49:19 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300Dthere are cleaners for the fuel that will take care of theblack stuff... problem is that you'll clog up a few filtersalong the way... steaming the tank isn't necessary...you might consider getting an aftermarket filter and puttingit before the factory primary filter... then run the biocideor whatever that stuff is and watch the primary filter...when it starts getting discolored or the new primary filteris clogged change filters and contine the treatment.be sure to keep your filters clean... if you have an older(pre '87) Diesel than you can use that Diesel purge stuff,wouldn't recommend it on on the newer higher pressure systems.I used some fuel treatment on mine, as I have on all my otherDiesels for the last 20+ years, and it started some seals toleak... right on the filler door it says no additives. Ibelieve them now. ;)On the auxillary filter, get one with the water separatorbowl so you can see what's coming through...johnOn Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Paul Brown wrote:>-->My secondary filter was plugged with some black gunk, and I pulled the>-->fuel gauge sender to find it junked up, too. What is Bio Bor and where>-->do I get it? Any option, besides pulling the tank and steam cleaning?>-->>-->Marc wrote:>-->>-->> Hello Peter,>-->>>-->>>-->> On the tank, it's easy once it's empty. Remove the partition in your>-->> trunk>-->> and you'll see it. As I remember, all bolts are in the trunk. Once you>-->> disconnect the hoses (filler and fuel lines to front (to and from>-->> engine),>-->> and disconnect the fuel sensor wire, it shou ld come right out. I had>-->> mine steam cleaned at a radiator shop back in 1991 when I had an>-->> algae problem. I've been using BioBor ever since once in a while.>-->-----------------------------------------------------------------------------** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net **Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold.------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Peter" Subject: Re: FW: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D John, not a problem. Just trying to make it easy for everyone to read. I hope this one looks better....But then again did anyone have problem reading my earlier posts which was sent composed in html? I did so because myway.com's format forced me to. With Regards, Peter - --- On Sat 12/04, john < john-at-wagoneers.com > wrote: From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com] To: plandy-at-myway.com Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:15:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: FW: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D you wouldn't mind emailing in plain text would you? :) I thought the list server stripped anything but plain text... john On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Peter wrote: >-->_______________________________________________ >-->No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >-->Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >-->Received: from [209.23.8.28] by mprdmailfe4.nwk.myway.com via HTTP; Sat, >--> 04 Dec 2004 19:20:57 EST >--> >-->X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report >--> >-->X-AntiAbuse: ID = dac173e44b3a7517116ad41e14084f21 >--> >-->Reply-to: plandy-at-myway.com >--> >-->From: "Peter" >--> >-->MIME-Version: 1.0 >--> >-->X-Sender: plandy-at-myway.com >--> >-->X-Mailer: PHP >--> >-->Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__56d1bbc896e7a20c5c371f9140168cb6"; >--> >-->Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >--> >-->To: acordova-at-texas.net >--> >-->Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:20:57 -0500 >--> >-->Subject: RE: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 1984 300D >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->--MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__56d1bbc896e7a20c5c371f9140168cb6 >--> >-->Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >--> >-->Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> Thanks for the good advice Alec. Indeed I shall replace all fuses on the car. After some 21years on the road it is about time. With Regards,Peter1984 300D 126k.mi --- On Fri 12/03, Alec Cordova < acordova-at-texas.net > wrote:From: Alec Cordova [mailto: acordova-at-texas.net]Since the fuses themselves are so cheap, replacing them all, and cleaningall the contacts while you're in there (with anything like emery cloth orboards, very fine sandpaper, some good electrical contact cleaner, etc.),can often resolve mysterious symptoms and save hours of otherwisefrustrating troubleshooting. If you have any trouble locating new fuses,don't forget to check out parts shops that have stuff for old VW Beetles.They used the same format of fuses. >--> >--> >--> >-->_______________________________________________ >--> >-->No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >--> >-->Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >--> >--> >--> >-->--MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__56d1bbc896e7a20c5c371f9140168cb6 >--> >-->Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" >--> >-->Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> valign=top>Thanks for the good advice Alec. Indeed I shall replace all fuses on the car. After some 21years on the road it is about time. With Regards, Peter 1984 300D 126k.mi - --- On Fri 12/03, Alec Cordova < acordova-at-texas.net > wrote:From: Alec Cordova [mailto: href="mailto:acordova-at-texas.net">acordova-at-texas.net] Since the fuses themselves are so cheap, replacing them all, and cleaning all the contacts while you're in there (with anything like emery cloth or boards, very fine sandpaper, some good electrical contact cleaner, etc.), can often resolve mysterious symptoms and save hours of otherwise frustrating troubleshooting. If you have any trouble locating new fuses, don't forget to check out parts shops that have stuff for old VW Beetles. They used the same format of fuses. face=verdana>No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - href=http://www.myway.com target=_blank>http://www.myway.com >--> >--> >--> >-->--MYWAYBOUNDARY_000__56d1bbc896e7a20c5c371f9140168cb6-- >--> - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:08:04 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Introduction from Schenectady, NY - Newbie - Welcome Peter!! Pull up a chair and make sure you have plenty of popcorn at the ready! You'll find a nice friendly community here. But since Jon F. hasn't chimed in yet I find it necessary to warn you about John's propensity to try to build *frankendiesels*! Any car is worthy of a good 5 cyl MB turbo diesel! ;) So sit back and enjoy the show! Oh, and btw... I fought with those dang fuses for I don't know how long before I learned to *just replace them* :) Jim/ '83 240D (for sale... some one buy it PLEASE!!) ;) > Hello All, > > > > Thought I send a quick hello to the list. I just purchased a 1984 300D, 127kmi, beige, and this is my very first MB!! Been around cars most of my life but don't know much about the W123's. Going to bring it home next week once I get all the paper works/plates together. The car is typically solid with completely rebuilt engine and few months old "huge" battery. Wood trims are dangling..gotta fix that. Antena won't go up...Wheels are somewhat rough and rusty...Dirty inside and outside...Gottta replace all the fluids and filters. Hmm ...that radio could use replacing :-) > > > > With Regards, > > Peter Landy > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198 you might want to try thunderbird... plaint text. :) html email is ugly. john On Sat, 4 Dec 2004, Peter wrote: >--> John, actually I was using the Firefox web browser. It seems this browser is not compatible with my web based email from myway.com which was designed to work with MS explorer. Thus I have switched over to Explorer. I gather everything looks a bit more legible :-) With Regards,Peter From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com]To: plandy-at-myway.comCc: diesel-benz-at-digest.netDate: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:20:31 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [db] Schenectady, NY - Newbie - 198the fuses will look good, even ohm out... but the fracture willbreak the connection with vibrations... :)what kind of mail tool are you using? you've got really long lines...must be a microsoft product. :)johnOn Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Peter wrote:>-->John,>-->>-->>-->The Rube Goldberg diagram is very interesting. It should help keeping my sense of humor intact while I struggle with the second and third diagram below that :-) BTW: Thanks for the vacuum diagram!>-->>-->>-->Exactly how do vuses fake us out? Like they look good and still "jump" juice but at much degraded current?>-->>-->>-->With Regards,>-->>-->Pete>-->>-->>-->>-->>- - ->>--> --- On Fri 12/03, john < john-at-wagoneers.com > wrote:>-->>-->From: john [mailto: john-at-wagoneers.com]>-->>-->To: Alec_Cordova-at-Dell.com>-->>--> Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net>-->>-->Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:15:55 -0800 (PST)>-->>-->Subject: RE: [db] Introduction from Schenectady, NY - Newbie ->-->>-->>-->>-->Oyeah, here's one of the diagrams for it... :)http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/rube-goldberg-example.jpghere's the higher level view:http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/VACUUM-Diagrams/300d-turbo-1981 - -84-vac.jpghere's a picture of one of the computers, note picture 4 especially:http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/ClimateControls/:)oh yeah, take a CLOSE look at the fuses, no... just replace them,they'll fake you out:http://ww >-->w.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/Electrical/john-------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net **Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold.------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ->-->>-->_______________________________________________>--> ;No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.>-->Make My Way your home on the Web - - http://www.myway.com>-->----------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net **Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold.------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - >--> >-->_______________________________________________ >-->No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. >-->Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1644 **********************************