From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 28 16:49:30 2004 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, December 28 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1676 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) [db] W 124 tdt Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) Re: [db] the great Mercedes resto project in Paraguay... Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) Re: [db] 300TD exhaust Re: [db] 300TD exhaust [db] weather in Seattle and the passes - was Jim's yahoo... Re: [db] weather in Seattle and the passes - was Jim's yahoo... Re: [db] weather in Seattle and the passes [db] Anybody have a vacuum display for the 116 SD? [db] Biodiesel RE: [db] Biodiesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->On Monday 27 December 2004 02:11, Jon Filina wrote: >-->> Let's see...A C-130, fueled, with crew, two MB's, John and me, should >-->> weigh 85,000-90,000 lbs. Any runway longer than 300 feet would be a >-->> luxury... >--> >-->But at this end, we have (thanks to the cold war) the longest runway in South >-->America. >-->Cheers, >-->Ron. hey, would that save some airplane fuel? Maybe we could just have them fly low and we can push the cars out the back... saving all that fuel normally used in landing and take off... and then we could just drive back home with our newly restored Mercedes... So, Jon, would the fuel savings make this project work? :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:05:58 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) Marc commented: > That's amazing, 21 unarrested full stop landings. That took some guts. > The first few must have been nerve racking, watching the end of the > deck coming up and hoping you have enough space. The article > didn't say whether or not they had an arresting hook. No tail hook! I don't know if the landing video showed it, but when the Herc came to a stop you should have seen the sailors laughing and pointing at the nose of the plane. Written on the fuselage, just below the cockpit windows, was "Look, Ma! No hook" That bird was tail number 149798. I never crewed on it, but did fly with 149799, the bird built right after it, and 149796. Here's another link: > http://www.scenery.org/c-130.htm As amazing as landing a Hercules on an aircraft carrier seems, take a look at this story: > http://www.xpertweb.com/Katum/ Can you imagine flying some 50 miles with a wing on fire, molten aluminum dripping off it, and living to tell about it?? It gives me goose bumps every time I read it. Both stories are prime examples of the ruggedness of the C-130's. They are still in production more than 50 years after they were put into service. I guess you could say that the C-130 is the MB diesel of the aviation world. The Marine Corps version, such as my KC-130F, had another thing in common with our MB's. We were issued the birds primarily for the purpose of mid-air refueling. Corporal Rube Goldberg was evidently present when they added pods to the wings so we could refuel two birds at once. Within those pods were around 75 feet of hose and a basket which was reeled out. Once in place, we could refuel two birds at one time. Imagine, if you can, our 130 flying in a large circle at almost 300 mph and F-4, A-4, or A-6 jet, flying as slow as they could, trying to insert a tube from their plane into our basket so they could "gas" up. It's similar to the drunk test where you have to place your index finger on your nose without missing... And then, we had to suffer through the jet jockey's comments about checking the oil and tire pressures and would we clean the windshield! But, Rube was just getting started! We were set up to haul passengers (pax), but not freight. The Air Force had rollers built into the cargo deck that could be raised and lowered by levers mounted on the 245 bulkhead, the wall between the cockpit and the cargo bay. They'd build up "cookie sheets" and roll them on the plane, lower the rollers and lock them into place. Not so we jarheads... Corporal Goldberg devised a system of pipe rollers, wooden pallets, 10,000 test chains, cargo straps and the infamous J-bar to make loading cargo possible. It took about 3 times as long to do as the Air Force system unless we were at a forward combat landing strip, with mortars and rockets headed our way, in which case I think we beat the AF times. Rube didn't invent the "adraline rush", but sure used it to his advantage... But, Corporal G got bored. The first time he saw an MB diesel, he saw his true calling and the rest is history... Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:08:07 -0500 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] W 124 tdt From: "Peter" Subject: RE: [db] w124 tdt Hi, Kevin has given you excellent advice. As a newbie recent MB owner I cannot add much to that. However can suggest you look the body over well from top to bottom for rust. - ----- Re Rust can say bought my first diesel benz - 180D - from neighbor down the road many years ago. Car looked alright but after a while found out that there was a lot of rott underneath. Can say. learned my lesson early and will not touch a rusty car. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:18:47 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) John was itchin' to head south and asked: > hey, would that save some airplane fuel? Maybe we could just have them > fly low and we can push the cars out the back... saving all that fuel normally > used in landing and take off... and then we could just drive back home with > our newly restored Mercedes... > > So, Jon, would the fuel savings make this project work? :) Let's see.... Half the fuel....we're down to around $17k...subtract a bit for not landing and taking off...add the cost of a double cookie sheet and silk for the parachutes... If Ron is a good cook, it might be feasible! Or...we could just drive down. Why am I getting visions of "Indian Jones"??? Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" Apparently stuck in Texas... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:27:30 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] the great Mercedes resto project in Paraguay... John, "The Realist", lamented: > Ok, I'll go, but no landing on aircraft carriers... Same here! I'd get seasick on final approach watching the carrier rise and fall and our pilot trying to match the it... > any Tully's down there? I got a gift card from Tullys, > I'll provide the Latte's. ;) Ron could answer that. We might be lucky to find a 7-11. There should be a Walmart, though. ;-) > Wouldn't it be fun if we could really do something like this? Killjoy! > The awful reality of it is that neither of us could probably > afford the fuel... :) OK...let's see... The C-130 carries up to 62,900 lbs of fuel. It burns it at 4000-5000 lbs per hour. The trip from SEA to Ascuncion, Paraguay, appears to be around 7200 miles. At 300 mph, that's about 24 hours of flight time. 24 X 5,000= 120,000 lbs. of fuel, give or take some... A gallon of diesel, which is essentially what powers those Allison turboprops, weighs around 7 lbs. 120,000 lbs. of fuel is around 17,143 gallons... A gallon of fuel purchased at any landing field we can get it will probably run around $2.00. You can't very well pull into a self service station off of the freeway and get it for less... So, 17,143 gallons of fuel will cost......[YIKES] $34,286!!! If we put that same fuel in our diesel MB's, how far would it go? On my SD, at 28 mpg, that would be around 480,000 miles or, based on 25,000 miles a year, some 19 years.... Yo, Ron! You can put away the good china....I don't think we'll be coming down your way... Big John, you can sure put the damper on a good plan! Jon '84 300SD "Bruno" No flight time for him! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:12:29 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: [db] 2 Things Fixed :) Jon Filina wrote: > > Can you imagine flying some 50 miles with a wing on fire, molten > aluminum dripping off it, and living to tell about it?? It gives me > goose bumps every time I read it. Nope. But, when you have no choice ... :-) > > Both stories are prime examples of the ruggedness of the C-130's. > They are still in production more than 50 years after they were put > into service. My personal favorite model is the gun ship. An awesome show of power. > > I guess you could say that the C-130 is the MB diesel of the aviation > world. The Marine Corps version, such as my KC-130F, had another > thing in common with our MB's. We were issued the birds primarily for > the purpose of mid-air refueling. Corporal Rube Goldberg was > evidently present when they added pods to the wings so we could refuel > two birds at once. Within those pods were around 75 feet of hose and > a basket which was reeled out. Once in place, we could refuel two > birds at one time. Imagine, if you can, our 130 flying in a large > circle at almost 300 mph and F-4, A-4, or A-6 jet, flying as slow as > they could, trying to insert a tube from their plane into our basket > so they could "gas" up. It's similar to the drunk test where you have > to place your index finger on your nose without missing... And then, > we had to suffer through the jet jockey's comments about checking the > oil and tire pressures and would we clean the windshield! > > But, Rube was just getting started! We were set up to haul passengers > (pax), but not freight. The Air Force had rollers built into the > cargo deck that could be raised and lowered by levers mounted on the > 245 bulkhead, the wall between the cockpit and the cargo bay. They'd > build up "cookie sheets" and roll them on the plane, lower the rollers > and lock them into place. Not so we jarheads... > > Corporal Goldberg devised a system of pipe rollers, wooden pallets, > 10,000 test chains, cargo straps and the infamous J-bar to make > loading cargo possible. It took about 3 times as long to do as the > Air Force system unless we were at a forward combat landing strip, > with mortars and rockets headed our way, in which case I think we beat > the AF times. Rube didn't invent the "adraline rush", but sure used > it to his advantage... > > But, Corporal G got bored. The first time he saw an MB diesel, he saw > his true calling and the rest is history... Yes, I can see why. I bought my first 300D Turbo in 1990 and still have it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:19:27 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 300TD exhaust On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 03:29:05PM -0500, Marc wrote: > Well, I think I'm back to receiving messages. Just wanted > to let you know that I ordered the exhaust piece from > BuyMBParts Inc in Atlanta. They actually had 2 suppliers > to chose from so I chose the OEM. Ordered it yesterday, > received it today. This is the piece from the turbo down > to the straight pipe heading to the rear. I bought one of these for the 190D from Rusty several months ago when the rust monster ate it out. Literally. Anyways, it ended up being cheaper buying the pipe from Rusty (by a factor of two) than just the *part* at a muffler shop. And it was mandrel bent and thick metal to boot. It fit great, and as rusty as my car is underneath, I didn't have any real problems getting the bolts undone. The only problem I had was it was a bit tricky reusing the gasket at the connection near the back of the car. I was able to reuse mine, even though it is a bit rusty. If I was replacing the pipe on a different car, I'd buy a new one of those gaskets, as I ended up with a very minor pinhole leak I'll eventually have to deal with. > My plan is to install it next week. Hopefully, the rusty bolts > won't give me any issues. Any tips on handling these are > appreciated. If they do, break them off and get new ones. If they don't, use a wire wheel to clean them up before you put them back on. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:28:16 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: [db] 300TD exhaust Kevin, thanks for the info. Kevin Pekarek wrote: >I bought one of these for the 190D from Rusty several months ago when >the rust monster ate it out. Literally. > >Anyways, it ended up being cheaper buying the pipe from Rusty (by a factor >of two) than just the *part* at a muffler shop. And it was mandrel bent >and thick metal to boot. > >It fit great, and as rusty as my car is underneath, I didn't have >any real problems getting the bolts undone. > >The only problem I had was it was a bit tricky reusing the gasket at the >connection near the back of the car. I was able to reuse mine, even though >it is a bit rusty. If I was replacing the pipe on a different car, I'd >buy a new one of those gaskets, as I ended up with a very minor pinhole >leak I'll eventually have to deal with. > > > I just came back from the dealer, about 35 miles one way. I needed to burn off some diesel anyway to work on the fuel tank. Anyway, I bought new bolts and nuts. This is the first, and last, time I'll deal with this particular dealership. I usually deal with the one in Raleigh, NC, and they give me a break on price. This one, which is closer to me, charged me full retail. $3.00 for each nut (5) and $1.75 for each bolt (2). I also bought the connecting gasket, they call it a coupling, which was $9.63. My fuel tank leaks from the top when full. I asked about the hose that is there. They sell it in 1 meter lengths, $52.00. You can imagine my reaction to that. It's nothing special, < 1 inch in diameter (outside dimension). Marc Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] weather in Seattle and the passes - was Jim's yahoo... on vacation this week, decided to drive over to Leavenworth tomorrow... planning on taking the Diesel Benz, but if the passes look slick tomorrow may take the Jeep... so far the forecast for Stevens Pass is: I can't remember if Stevens pass is 3,500 or 4,000 feet... or if it's just over 3,000... Have a picture somewhere... ;) anybody know? john MOSTLY CLEAR. FREEZING LEVEL 4500 FEET. EAST WIND IN THE PASSES 10 TO 15 MPH. TUESDAY PARTLY CLOUDY. FREEZING LEVEL 4500 FEET. AFTERNOON PASS TEMPERATURES IN THE 30S. EAST WIND IN THE PASSES 10 TO 15 MPH. TUESDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY. FREEZING LEVEL 4000 FEET. EAST WIND IN THE PASSES 10 TO 15 MPH. WEDNESDAY CHANCE OF SNOW THEN SNOW LIKELY IN THE AFTERNOON. SNOW ACCUMULATION 1 INCH. SNOW LEVEL 2500 FEET. AFTERNOON PASS TEMPERATURES IN THE LOWER 30S. LIGHT WIND. WEDNESDAY NIGHT SNOW LIKELY. SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 1 TO 2 INCHES. SNOW LEVEL 2500 FEET. SOUTHEAST WIND IN THE PASSES AROUND 10 MPH. THURSDAY SNOW SHOWERS LIKELY. SNOW LEVEL 1500 FEET. AFTERNOON PASS TEMPERATURES AROUND 30. THURSDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY. SNOW SHOWERS LIKELY. SNOW LEVEL 1500 FEET. FRIDAY MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. AFTERNOON PASS TEMPERATURES IN THE UPPER 20S. FRIDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. NEW YEARS DAY MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. SATURDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. SUNDAY MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. SUNDAY NIGHT MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. MONDAY MOSTLY CLOUDY. CHANCE OF SNOW SHOWERS. SNOW LEVEL 1000 FEET. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:13:30 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] weather in Seattle and the passes - was Jim's yahoo... >I can't remember if Stevens pass is 3,500 or 4,000 feet... or if it's >just over 3,000... Have a picture somewhere... ;) anybody know? Stevens Pass is just over 4000' (4061' to be exact). Snoqualmie is just over 3000' - -- - --chuck goolsbee arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] weather in Seattle and the passes On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, chuck goolsbee wrote: >-->>I can't remember if Stevens pass is 3,500 or 4,000 feet... or if it's >-->>just over 3,000... Have a picture somewhere... ;) anybody know? >--> >--> >-->Stevens Pass is just over 4000' (4061' to be exact). >-->Snoqualmie is just over 3000' from the pictures of the pass, we're taking the WJ Grand Cherokee... http://wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/passes/stevens/#conditions heading to leavenworth for some schnitzels... :) john >--> >-->-- >-->--chuck goolsbee >-->arlington, wa, usa >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:02:30 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Anybody have a vacuum display for the 116 SD? Title says it all. Looks like the PO messed with it - lots of open hoses. Couldn't find one on John's site. Thanks, Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:06:19 US/Eastern From: mfrank-at-westnet.com Subject: [db] Biodiesel A while back, someone posted a link for a place that sold home brew Diesel gear. Does anyone have that handy? Thanks, Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:04:42 -0600 From: "Sam Williams" Subject: RE: [db] Biodiesel Mike, I like www.greasel.com. They focus on SVO (running your car on Straight Vegetable Oil). That can be confused with WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil--few of us live in olive groves, can afford virgin oils; they are even more expensive than petro-diesel). To run on SVO, the oil must be heated when the weather is cool; greasel has heated tank conversion kits, filters to clean the WVO you collect. SVO shouldn't be confused with BioDiesel which is vegetable oil processed using heat, lye, etc. to remove glycerin, water, etc. Producing biodiesel is doable in ones garage but the hassle doesn't appeal to me. I buy commercial biodiesel--it's a bit more expensive than petrodiesel now but fine stuff, becoming available many places. A problem with WVO is all the salt in fast foods that most restaurants cook in their oil; that's hard to remove and can't be good for our engines. Otherwise, veggie oils work just fine. They contain fewer BTUs than petro diesel but have higher cetane rating--I can't notice a power difference. Your exhaust does smell better (but still not good) when running veggie diesel--maybe adding peppermint oil or something would improve it even more--never tried that. Have fun, Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of mfrank-at-westnet.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:06 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: [db] Biodiesel A while back, someone posted a link for a place that sold home brew Diesel gear. Does anyone have that handy? Thanks, Mike Frank ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1676 **********************************