From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jan 2 19:23:23 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, January 3 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1687 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] more pop corn RE: [db] more pop corn [db] 190D Glow light RE: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? Re: [db] 190D Glow light Re: [db] 190D Glow light Re: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? Re: [db] Are CD manuals viewable from linux? Re: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? [db] Argh... RUST! Re: [db] Argh... RUST! Re: [db] Argh... RUST! Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Re: [db] 190D Glow light [db] offtopic - Washington state issue... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:10:40 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] more pop corn > the Wagoneers were also quite expensive when new, and also hold > their value... > > 1981 Mercedes 300D - $25,640 > 1981 Jeep Wagoneer - $10,464 > 1981 Ford Bronco - $9,085 > 1981 GMC Jimmy - $8,856 > 1981 Ford Crown Vic - $8,700 > 1981 Chev Impala - $7,552 > 1981 VW Rabbit - $6,570 > > john Oh this looks like fun. Edmunds current "Dealer Retail" values for these cars in "clean" condition with only standard equipment: 1981 Mercedes 300D - $1,882 = 93% depreciation 1981 Jeep Wagoneer - $ 773 = 93% less 1981 Ford Bronco - $(N/A) (did none of these survive this long?) 1981 GMC Jimmy - $ 836 = 91% less 1981 Ford Crown Vic - $(N/A) (these either?) 1981 Chev Impala - $(N/A) (same result with 5.7 diesel option) 1981 VW Rabbit(LS4dr)-$ 616 = 91% less (and all of $104 on trade) So the Wagoneer held its value as well as the Benz, but both did worse than the Jimmy or the little Wabbit. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] more pop corn Edmunds is pretty bogus... don't trust it, don't like it... but some of the times it's right so I usually add it to the valuation mix... and all it does is confirm that older cars are really valued on their condition more than anything else... as proven by a few encounters with the folks that provide insurance... :) anyway, try http://www.kbb.com or http://www.nada.com - you'll have to go to the older cars or I'll have to conjure up some newer prices. ;) Using a NADA older used car guide from '97 that lists the original prices... I've been researching crazy stuff like this for years with the misguided delusional idea of actually writing a book on full size jeeps... ;) I've been talking about it now for almost 10 years... I have three file cabinet drawers filled with pictures, brochures and about two 4 foot long shelves filled with factory shop manuals ranging from '62 through last week... :) OH, another source is the USED CAR PRICE GUIDE, that's what the socialists at the Department of Licensing appear to be using... as they tried to tax me on about $4,000 for this '83 300D when I transferred the title... john On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->> the Wagoneers were also quite expensive when new, and also hold >-->> their value... >-->> >-->> 1981 Mercedes 300D - $25,640 >-->> 1981 Jeep Wagoneer - $10,464 >-->> 1981 Ford Bronco - $9,085 >-->> 1981 GMC Jimmy - $8,856 >-->> 1981 Ford Crown Vic - $8,700 >-->> 1981 Chev Impala - $7,552 >-->> 1981 VW Rabbit - $6,570 >-->> >-->> john >--> >-->Oh this looks like fun. >--> >-->Edmunds current "Dealer Retail" values for these cars in "clean" condition >-->with only standard equipment: >--> >-->1981 Mercedes 300D - $1,882 = 93% depreciation >-->1981 Jeep Wagoneer - $ 773 = 93% less >-->1981 Ford Bronco - $(N/A) (did none of these survive this long?) >-->1981 GMC Jimmy - $ 836 = 91% less >-->1981 Ford Crown Vic - $(N/A) (these either?) >-->1981 Chev Impala - $(N/A) (same result with 5.7 diesel option) >-->1981 VW Rabbit(LS4dr)-$ 616 = 91% less (and all of $104 on trade) >--> >-->So the Wagoneer held its value as well as the Benz, but both did worse than >-->the Jimmy or the little Wabbit. >--> >-->Alec >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:13:33 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: [db] 190D Glow light Hi Folks, Just wondering if there is an easy fix for a problem I have with my '88 190D. The glowplug light is now refusing to light intermittantly, the car will start but is VERY rough the first few seconds (as you can imagine..). Any ideas on where to start looking to fix this? I've no experience with the glowplugs so a basic explaination would help ;-) Thanks in advance Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:26:58 -0500 From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: RE: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? How many miles are on the clutch and how much do the replacement parts cost? My guess is that you should go ahead and replace it if there are a significant number of miles on the clutch. Regarding John's question about the rear main seal...is the oil contaminating the friction surface of the clutch? I haven't seen the clutch hydraulic cylinder on one of these 240's...where is it located and is it leaking? Steve Morelen Raleigh From: Paul Brown <pbrown-at-wmblaw.org> To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 21:55:56 -0500 I've removed my transmission, and the inside of the bell housing is covered in wet black gunk. How do I know whether it is time to replace my clutch parts? What do I measure, and how? Or do I just replace things willy-nilly because they are now accessible. And, won't be 6 months from now. Thx. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:55:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 190D Glow light check the glow plugs... my light was doing weird things on my 124... would come on whenever it felt likt, then wouldn't when I wanted it to... I replaced the glow plugs (mainly because on my 2.5L TD you have to take the intake manifold off) and it works like it's supposed to now. It's quite brisk (and a rare clear day, hence the brisk temp) at 27 degrees F outside... my door handle is frozen... entire car covered in ice and frost (sat out last night)... but it started immediately! And I was standing on the passenger side reaching across... :) so, check your glow plugs, all the symptoms point to it. john On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->Hi Folks, >--> Just wondering if there is an easy fix for a problem I have with my >-->'88 190D. The glowplug light is now refusing to light intermittantly, >-->the car will start but is VERY rough the first few seconds (as you can >-->imagine..). >-->Any ideas on where to start looking to fix this? I've no experience >-->with the glowplugs so a basic explaination would help ;-) >--> >-->Thanks in advance >--> >-->Steve >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:47:47 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] 190D Glow light Yep, My 126 did the same thing.... Replaced the plugs and it starts on the first try every time...... One word of advice go with the Bosch or (other name brand of your choice) plugs..... There were a cheap set of plugs in my car and they were a bit of a pain to remove because the metal was softer than normal...... Robert Chase john wrote: >check the glow plugs... my light was doing weird things >on my 124... would come on whenever it felt likt, then >wouldn't when I wanted it to... I replaced the glow plugs >(mainly because on my 2.5L TD you have to take the intake >manifold off) and it works like it's supposed to now. > >It's quite brisk (and a rare clear day, hence the brisk temp) at >27 degrees F outside... my door handle is frozen... entire >car covered in ice and frost (sat out last night)... but >it started immediately! And I was standing on the passenger >side reaching across... :) > >so, check your glow plugs, all the symptoms point to it. > >john > >On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > >>-->Hi Folks, >>--> Just wondering if there is an easy fix for a problem I have with my >>-->'88 190D. The glowplug light is now refusing to light intermittantly, >>-->the car will start but is VERY rough the first few seconds (as you can >>-->imagine..). >>-->Any ideas on where to start looking to fix this? I've no experience >>-->with the glowplugs so a basic explaination would help ;-) >>--> >>-->Thanks in advance >>--> >>-->Steve >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 16:00:34 -0500 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? Could be rear main seal, or could be leaking clutch slave cylinder. I'll have to puzzle over it. I've been losing brake fluid somewhere... john wrote: >sounds like the rear main seal is leaking... right? > >john > >On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Paul Brown wrote: > > > >>-->I've removed my transmission, and the inside of the bell housing is >>-->covered in wet black gunk. How do I know whether it is time to replace >>-->my clutch parts? What do I measure, and how? Or do I just replace >>-->things willy-nilly because they are now accessible. And, won't be 6 >>-->months from now. >>--> >>-->Thx. >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:10:13 -0600 From: Tenawa Rio Subject: Re: [db] Are CD manuals viewable from linux? On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:33:22 -0600, Jon Filina wrote: > > First off, the item on eBay you mentioned appears to be a paper manual. > I have the CD version for the W126's, but would prefer the hard copy > version. The price, even at $35, appears to be a good deal. . Thank you for pointing that out Jon. I had been looking on ebay on and off for a while and only ever saw the CD versions. So when I saw that item I just assumed it to be the CD version too. > > Since no index is available, you'll have to copy the HTML files to your > hard drive, add in the path to all files (/mnt/cdrom on my system) > either for each .pdf file or in a system variable, and strip out any > references to IE or Flash. It's a pain in the backside, but it will > work. There is an index file available on the net, but it's in zip > format and would have to be modified to use on Linux. > > Have I tried the above? No... But it should work. > > Does that answer your question? Yes, together with some of the comments from others later on in the thread and the link to Steve Nervig's index, I now understand how to get the CD versions working. Thanks everyone for your input. - -- Tenawa 1992 300d ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 240D clutch - time to replace? On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Paul Brown wrote: >-->Could be rear main seal, or could be leaking clutch slave cylinder. >-->I'll have to puzzle over it. I've been losing brake fluid somewhere... then it's the slave cylinder... john >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->>sounds like the rear main seal is leaking... right? >-->> >-->>john >-->> >-->>On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Paul Brown wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>>-->I've removed my transmission, and the inside of the bell housing is >-->>>-->covered in wet black gunk. How do I know whether it is time to replace >-->>>-->my clutch parts? What do I measure, and how? Or do I just replace >-->>>-->things willy-nilly because they are now accessible. And, won't be 6 >-->>>-->months from now. >-->>>--> >-->>>-->Thx. >-->>>--> >-->>> >-->>> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:06:53 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: [db] Argh... RUST! See the horrible horrible pics here (the ones with 'Merc' at the start ;-) http://mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/ Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Argh... RUST! some of those pics are quite horrible, others aren't very clear... it almost looks like you've got a cat stiffened and spread across those two chairs. :) I took a picture of the pass front fender on the '77 300CD yesterday, it seems there's a plant growing in there!!!! I think it's some kind of fern... :) john On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->See the horrible horrible pics here (the ones with 'Merc' at the start ;-) >-->http://mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/ >--> >-->Steve >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:18:12 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] Argh... RUST! heheh it does actually ;-) My differential in my Roadster kinda grenaded on me 2 weeks ago, so I went and bought a 1.8lt Diff, driveshaft + halfshafts today from a dismantlers in N.Ireland in the 190D.... felt like a very long long long drive even though it was only 200 miles(ish), granted... it was on Irish back roads... Steve On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:57:41 -0800 (PST), john wrote: > > some of those pics are quite horrible, others > aren't very clear... it almost looks like you've > got a cat stiffened and spread across those two chairs. :) > > I took a picture of the pass front fender on the '77 300CD > yesterday, it seems there's a plant growing in there!!!! > > I think it's some kind of fern... :) > > john > > On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > >-->See the horrible horrible pics here (the ones with 'Merc' at the start ;-) > >-->http://mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/ > >--> > >-->Steve > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:36:49 -0800 From: "tomdurkin" Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Hi there, I just returned from a 3,500 mile trip to San Diego and Flagstaff in a 1984 240 wagon which has almost 280,000 miles on the odometer. This vehicle, she is named Vanessa, used less than 1/2 quart of oil and consistently returned 28 to 30 mpg. Great car and it is good to be home. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chase" To: "Black, Waylon" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert > Hey, > > > Thanks for the info...... I bought my S70 based on the reputation of > the 740 and 240 series cars and unfortunatly was very dissapointed in > the car...... I have always liked the design of the Swedish cars as > they steal a little bit of german design and engineering and make it a > bit more friendly...... It is amazing how cheap the older Volvos are > now..... They are quite a steal for their longevity and how cheap they > are to run....... > > > Robert Chase > > > Black, Waylon wrote: > > >I agree - I think a 240 wagon is so handy(and cheap - now have 5 and all > >were under $300). > > > >Avoid the diesel Volvos. I have a gorgeous 240 diesel wagon. Got to > >drive it about 500 miles before EDDS(Early Diesel Death Syndrome). It > >only has 97K miles. It was free. The look on my wife's face was classic. > >She thought it was going to be crap, changed her tune when she saw it. > >Went from 'Well I'm not driving it' to 'When can I drive it?'. It really > >is nice. It just decided not to start one day - GPs work, fuel is okay, > >tries to start but will never fire. I will get around to checking > >compression, one day. > > > >PO had the some problem - sometimes it would not start. I really haven't > >looked at it since. > > > >The worst part is that I filled it up and changed to Mobil 1 right > >before it 'died'. > > > >Waylon Black > >Little Elm, Texas > > > > > >Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:22:18 -0500 > >From: Robert Chase > >Subject: Re: [db] 300D Auto Trans Shifter Lights > > > > > > > >Speaking of cars Im looking at Volvo Wagons.... :) I still have my > >parents old 92 Plymouth Sundance with 93k miles on it that I need to get > > > >rid of and Its been nice having a car with a Hatch so a wagon is the > >natural choice...... I seem to like the Volvo Wagons better than the > >Mercedes Wagons and of course any older Volvo wagon will be 1000x more > >reliable than the S70 that I owned...... Perhaps I have been spending > >too much time near Swedish Clocks.... Who knows.... > > > > > >Robert Chase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:29:39 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] 190D Glow light This is almost certainly one or more bad glow plugs. I believe the stock plugs were Beru, not Bosch. Mike Frank At 01:47 PM 1/2/2005, Robert Chase wrote: > One word of advice go with the Bosch or (other name brand of your > choice) plugs..... T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] offtopic - Washington state issue... Washington residents: Unless you think the gubernatorial election went smoothly... http://www.revotewa.com/petition.htm john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1687 **********************************