From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 3 10:57:12 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, January 3 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1691 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Trap Oxidizer removal? RE: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Re: fsj: Chev to Jeep conversion links RE: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Re: fsj: Chev to Jeep conversion links Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Re: [db] Windshield haze Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 06:47:39 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze John, Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to crack. Jan john wrote: > if you're a smoker... quit... ;) > > are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that > stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:49:23 -0500 From: Robert Chase Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze Hmmm, ArmorAll Brand or any vinal protectant? Cant remember the last time I actually used ArmorAll Brand protectant on anything.... Robert Chase Jan Guthrie wrote: >John, > >Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. > >Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their >dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually >hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to >crack. > >Jan > >john wrote: > > > >>if you're a smoker... quit... ;) >> >>are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that >>stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:24:30 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" Subject: Re: [db] Trap Oxidizer removal? No, they dont have a straight pipe replacement, that would be illegal. The replacement cat looks just like the trap, but will last probably as long as you have the car. Tim Stobbe wrote: > Possible MB has a straight pipe replacement for the trap oxidizer my '85 > 300SD California car? I know it was replaced with the newer model before > I bought the car w/90K on it. now has 130K. would like to get rid of it > if possible. Would I need to drive out of California to get this done? > - -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 81 300TD 81 240D, 76 240D, 74 240D, 72 300SEL 4.5 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:21:03 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Remember that the S70 was just a renamed 850. While the 850 did a great job of slightly modernizing Volvo exterior styling, I have never heard really good things about them. I do remember my parents had a 1971 (?) 145 wagon. Tank; otherwordly-comfortable seats; gobs of suspension travel; three point seat belts for second row using vertical metal bars near the back windows; solid; slow. Alec - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Robert Chase Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:01 AM To: john Cc: tomdurkin; Black, Waylon; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Heh heh, Yes the 123 cars are very tough but I honestly think the Brum Hilda award would be a tie if anything. I have driven both Volvo's and Mercedes and they both have a "different" feel. I have to agree the Mercedes do have a more precice feel to them handling wise. I drove an S70 sedan every day for several years and quite honestly it had some qualities that I really miss in my 126. Volvo's are much quieter than Mercedes cars which gives them a more tank like feel and Volvo does not hide their "saftey cage" like Mercedes Benz does. Engine wise there is no contest at all. The OM-617 powerplant in the 123 will outlast any Volvo 4 or 5cyl engine hands down..... Robert Chase john wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Robert Chase wrote: > > >>-->Not bad..... I might just have see if I can find a good deal on one.... >>-->I drove a 240 sedan and liked the way it drove....... I drove a really >>-->old 240 wagon a long time ago as well and liked it........ You don't >>-->see a lot of the 240's for sale though...... And I know that Volvo >>-->produced a ton of those ugly things....... Between the 123 chassis and >>-->the 240 Volvo Im not sure which would get the Brum Hilda award.... They >>-->are both rather "stout" automobiles..... >> >> > >I can't imagine there being a contest? ;) The mercedes has such a better >feel all around... even better visibility... volvo's seem vague to me, >of course that's my subjective feeling and recollection... only driven >a few... not impressed at all... but I know that volvo's have a faithful >following... has to be a reason for that... what it is escapes me though. ;) > >who was it that said that volvo's are just swedish tractors with fenders >and nice paint jobs? :) > >john > > ---- > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:31:54 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jon Filina wrote: >-->John continued: >-->have cost the same as regular dino oil... I don't use it, or any >-->synthetic, now because my engines have had too many miles on them and I >-->don't want to push my luck in the "leak" department. almost all of the modern synthetics have seal swelling agents built in to them... besides, the myth of synthetics leaking more than dino oil was busted some time ago... ;) if you have leaks large enough for synthetic to get out, you're leaking dino oil as well, you just don't notice it as much because it doesn't cling... ;) >-->You'll get no argument from me on that subject. But, I'll quit when my >-->mind tells me to or my body demands it. You don't get out of this life >-->alive! I still enjoy smoking. Yes, it's a form of Russian Roulette, >-->but the problems I've had quitting haven't been pleasant. When the time >-->comes, I'll put the pack down and walk away. or get rolled away in your wheel chair... only having to have to put the pack down because your nurse was concerned about the oxygen bottle going off... ;) >-->How'd we get on this subject anyway?? because we care. ;) >--> >-->Jon >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:35:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jan Guthrie wrote: >-->John, >--> >-->Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. >--> >-->Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their >-->dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually >-->hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to >-->crack. that's what I've heard as well... plus doesn't it outgas formaldelhyde as well? john >--> >-->Jan >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> if you're a smoker... quit... ;) >-->> >-->> are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that >-->> stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... >-->> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:51:59 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: Chev to Jeep conversion links This is about Chev, Jeep, VW, Lotus; should it not go to the oftopic list ? Cheers, Ron. - -- The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. -- Mark Twain -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:47:02 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Yes - seems the problem is the oil pump is on one end of the motor and the problems happen at the other end from bad oiling. What makes an excellent 4 cylinder turned into a average 5 cylinder(Audi and some Volvos) and a iffy 6 cylinder. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:53 PM To: tomdurkin Cc: Robert Chase; Black, Waylon; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, tomdurkin wrote: >-->There are so few Mercedes wagons available, and so many >-->reasonably priced Volvos it is hard to compare. Volvo >-->engines are tractor or truck like for sure. But with an >-->intercooled turbo, they make reasonable power. >-->Tom I did consider a Volvo Diesel... until I learned more about it, and talked to a good mechanic friend... guess it was a vw Diesel but had some serious issues... john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:12:08 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze dirty windows? Diluted vinegar (4 parts water to 1 part vinegar) and wipe off with newspaper (an Irish pub trick here to rid mirrors of tar from the smokers... that was back when you could smoke in pubs ;-) ). Squeaky clean! Just don't drop too much of it on the dash/leather/cloth. Steve On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:35:51 -0800 (PST), john wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jan Guthrie wrote: > > >-->John, > >--> > >-->Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. > >--> > >-->Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their > >-->dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually > >-->hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to > >-->crack. > > that's what I've heard as well... plus doesn't it outgas formaldelhyde as well? > > john > > >--> > >-->Jan > >--> > >-->john wrote: > >--> > >-->> if you're a smoker... quit... ;) > >-->> > >-->> are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that > >-->> stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... > >-->> > >--> > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: Chev to Jeep conversion links no, because it involves using a Mercedes Turbo Diesel... :) john On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->This is about Chev, Jeep, VW, Lotus; should it not go to the oftopic list ? >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Ron. >-->-- >--> The human race has one really effective weapon, >--> and that is laughter. >--> -- Mark Twain >--> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze I remember this trick, my grandpa used to use it... works superbly... thanx, I'd forgotten all about it. john On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->dirty windows? Diluted vinegar (4 parts water to 1 part vinegar) and >-->wipe off with newspaper (an Irish pub trick here to rid mirrors of tar >-->from the smokers... that was back when you could smoke in pubs ;-) ). >-->Squeaky clean! >-->Just don't drop too much of it on the dash/leather/cloth. >-->Steve >--> >--> >-->On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:35:51 -0800 (PST), john wrote: >-->> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jan Guthrie wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->John, >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their >-->> >-->dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually >-->> >-->hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to >-->> >-->crack. >-->> >-->> that's what I've heard as well... plus doesn't it outgas formaldelhyde as well? >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Jan >-->> >--> >-->> >-->john wrote: >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> if you're a smoker... quit... ;) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that >-->> >-->> stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:26:53 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze I heard that, but have official confirmation. But it disolve the placticizers out of the vinyls. Jan john wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jan Guthrie wrote: > > >-->John, > >--> > >-->Don't use ArmorAll on anything that you like. Especially your car. > >--> > >-->Chris Craft (when I used to work for a dealer) would void the warranty on their > >-->dashes, interiors etc. if you used ArmorAll. They believed that it actually > >-->hastened the aging of the dash by drying out the plastic and causing it to > >-->crack. > > that's what I've heard as well... plus doesn't it outgas formaldelhyde as well? > > john > > >--> > >-->Jan > >--> > >-->john wrote: > >--> > >-->> if you're a smoker... quit... ;) > >-->> > >-->> are you using armorall or any protectants on your vinyl/dash? some of that > >-->> stuff can outgas and cause those deposits... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:33:21 -0800 From: "tomdurkin" Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert Speaking of Vanessa's cargo space, how about 2 adults, 3 children, the entire cargo area filled to the roof line, and bags on the roof rack. This load from Sedona at 5,000 ft back to Phoenix at 2,000 ft through several watersheds and into a miserable 30 mph head wind. Talk about SLOW on the climbs, makes me wish for a turbo diesel. BTW, My neighbor has a 123 gas wagon for sale, $1500. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chase" To: "tomdurkin" Cc: "john" ; "Black, Waylon" ; Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert > Heh heh, > > > Agreed.... That whole supply and demand thing..... Lots more Volvo > Wagons around than MB wagons.... > > > Mercedes Wagons are OK but the germans forget the whole purpose of a > wagon....... They build it to handle like a car and to be aerodynamic > you end up loosing cargo space to their huge strut towers in the back > cargo area and a swept back aerodynamic rear section...... The Swedes > make a much more utilitarian wagon with lots more cargo space because > they dont let the engineering get in the way of the original purpose of > the vehicle...... > > > Robert Chase > > > tomdurkin wrote: > > >There are so few Mercedes wagons available, and so many > >reasonably priced Volvos it is hard to compare. Volvo > >engines are tractor or truck like for sure. But with an > >intercooled turbo, they make reasonable power. > >Tom > > > > > > > > > >>I can't imagine there being a contest? ;) The mercedes > >> > >> > >has such a better > > > > > >>feel all around... even better visibility... volvo's > >> > >> > >seem vague to me, > > > > > >>of course that's my subjective feeling and recollection... > >> > >> > >only driven > > > > > >>a few... not impressed at all... but I know that volvo's > >> > >> > >have a faithful > > > > > >>following... has to be a reason for that... what it is > >> > >> > >escapes me though. ;) > > > > > >>who was it that said that volvo's are just swedish > >> > >> > >tractors with fenders > > > > > >>and nice paint jobs? :) > >> > >>john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze john wrote: > > or get rolled away in your wheel chair... only having to have to put > the pack down because your nurse was concerned about the oxygen bottle going off... ;) > *** My friend Dave was forced totally out of his car hobby after the heart transplant. Apparently it's dangerous for people with pacemakers to be next to zapping ignition systems. He said everybody in the Stanford transplant ward was a smoker. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Volvo Wagons - Robert tomdurkin wrote: > > BTW, My neighbor has a 123 gas wagon for sale, $1500. > *** Where? - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:51:13 -0600 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze The doctors or the patients ....... if the patients ... were they *still* smokers. Jan Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > He said everybody in the Stanford transplant ward was a smoker. > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1691 **********************************