From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 3 17:00:33 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, January 4 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1692 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Windshield haze [db] "What's that noise?" Quiz (190D) [db] Biodiesel Re: [db] "What's that noise?" Quiz (190D) Re: [db] Windshield haze [db] Appropriateness of Postings Re: [db] 190D Glow light RE: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Biodiesel RE: [db] Windshield haze Re: [db] Biodiesel RE: [db] Windshield haze Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:59:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->john wrote: >-->> >-->> or get rolled away in your wheel chair... only having to have to put >-->> the pack down because your nurse was concerned about the oxygen bottle going off... ;) >-->> >-->*** My friend Dave was forced totally out of his car hobby after the heart >-->transplant. Apparently it's dangerous for people with pacemakers to be next >-->to zapping ignition systems. >--> >--> He said everybody in the Stanford transplant ward was a smoker. interesting... any statistical correlation there? ;) see, now Dave would be a good candidate for a Mercedes Diesel. :) john >--> >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze Jan Guthrie wrote: > > The doctors or the patients ....... if the patients ... were they *still* > smokers. > *** Patients. Don't know about the other patients, but Dave quit. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->Jan Guthrie wrote: >-->> >-->> The doctors or the patients ....... if the patients ... were they *still* >-->> smokers. >-->> >-->*** Patients. Don't know about the other patients, but Dave quit. >--> - Jerry good for him... have a friend that just had a quad bypass, etc, yada yada, still smokes... afraid he'll be checking out any day. :( we've done a lot of wrenching together... you will all be happy to note that he gave away the XJ I was going to scarf the axles for the 300CD for... ;) he did offer to put me in touch with the guy and I refused... it was a sign... ;) that's when I put the 300cd up on craigslist... someone came over to look at the 300cd and ended up walking over to the 300d... waiting to hear back from him. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 21:51:38 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: [db] "What's that noise?" Quiz (190D) I've put up a vid on : http://mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/ This is the noise I was talking about a while back (the clacking on the cam cover), is it a loose chain d'ya think? (It's much louder when starting from cold BTW). John has suggested it's a sticking lifter/injector... Thoughts? Thanks Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:48:23 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: [db] Biodiesel I found a supplier of biodiesel very near me. I can buy 100% soy biodiesel if I bring my own container. They sell only 2% at their pumps. The woman confirmed what you guys were saying... the soy biodiesel gels quicker than dino diesel. What kind of additive can I put in to stop the gelling? I'd like to try the 100% biodiesel in my F-350. TIA! Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:24:05 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] "What's that noise?" Quiz (190D) By any chance does this car have a serpentine belt? Mine sounded like that when the tensioner bushing began to loosen up. Mike Frank At 03:51 PM 1/3/2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >I've put up a vid on : >http://mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:41:49 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:09:36PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > OK, my wife complained that the Mercedes rear window was hard to > defrost. The problem was that it was Really Dirty. Paper towel after > paper towel came out black. Inspired, I started cleaning off the inside > windshields of my other cars. You know, how they get this haze on the > ininside that just gathers moisture in the morning? Ordinary cleaners > seem to just smush it around. > > One can get the haze off by dry-rubbing it - over and over again. But > that's a lot of work. Anybody know the right way to do it? I use something called invisible glass. It's a teense expensive but I tried it on something that I windexed first, and the rag came out way dirtier than I expected. In the sun, vinyl will outgas even not in the presence of armor all or the like. I fought this problem for years with the wagons, currently fight it with the powerchoke and the two benzes. Never had to deal with it on the jeeps - painted dashes rule :) Anyways, it works great, and odd as it may seem, newspaper works better for streak free glass than rags or paper towels do. I really need to clean the windows in the two benzes. The foul weather makes for odd light refraction through dirty windows. :-/ And never use Armor All on anything you care about. It speeds up the decay of whatever you are protecting. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:42:04 -0800 From: "Derick AA" Subject: [db] Appropriateness of Postings Hello gang, Below is a policy statement from digest.net's Richard Welty taken from the link proceeding it. http://digest.net/diesel-benz/#Policies - -Postings must be relevant to the list topic. Spam is strictly prohibited. - -Please control your mode of expression. This includes language, style, content. Flame wars are generally not entertaining or productive, and rarely produce useful results. Learn not to rise to the bait. - -There may be representatives of a number of businesses dealing with Mercedes products on this digest. It is entirely possible that there are list members who are unhappy with these businesses for one reason or another. The digest is not an appropriate venue for such discussions; there is simply no way that these matters can ever be satisfactorily resolved in such a contest -- so don't start. We are all passionate in our beliefs (faith, politics, etc..). The internet has many outlets for these topics, moreover; personal email. This list is for camaraderie and dissemination of topics (Diesel Benz): 1. Diesel (engines, fuel, modifications, service,parts) 2. Mercedes Benz (automobiles, company, modifications, service,parts) If your post contains 1 or 2 and is family friendly your probably on target. If posters wander.... Being a list steward, I will repost the posting guidelines first, send private reminders second, targeted public reminders third, if it continues posters will be encouraged to find a list that meets their needs. Serious offense? Poster will be taken off the list immediatley. I have help when I am unable to read the list due to schedule challenges. To help keep the noise level acceptable please allow this to work or email me with your concerns k7dxx-at-hotmail.com. My hope is the list will self-regulate as much as possible. (if in doubt put your post aside wait a couple hours and see if you still want to send it) On a lighter note... I am happy to be in company with such well informed and clever individuals. Often I read my inbox and come away with an idea or another data point. If I had to write a check for the amount you guys have saved me I couldn't. Some of the gang could not afford to drive a Benz without the technical prowess of this group (and other forums like it). Maybe it is a sign of the times but I have met most of my friends on lists like these. Thanks again for a great 2004! More of the same for 2005! Derick [db] list steward. "mom" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:50:48 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 190D Glow light On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 01:13:33PM +0000, Stephen Rigley wrote: > Hi Folks, > Just wondering if there is an easy fix for a problem I have with my > '88 190D. The glowplug light is now refusing to light intermittantly, > the car will start but is VERY rough the first few seconds (as you can > imagine..). > Any ideas on where to start looking to fix this? I've no experience > with the glowplugs so a basic explaination would help ;-) Probably got a dead glow plug. If you had two (since for some reason I think you have a four banger) it won't start unless you're cranking for truly obnoxiously long periods of time. When it does start, someone will probably call the fire department because of all of the smoke. Probably the easiest way to test them is to use a good meter on the plug that connects the plugs to the relay. Memory serving me, it should be something on the order of .6 ohms, and anything above double that is a goner. Derick will have to tell you how much of a pain it is to swap the plugs on a four banger - I haven't done it myself. I know on a 603 you will invent new forms of cursing, and probably have to sacrifice some blood in the process. On a 603, buying a new intake manifold gasket, replacing all six at once, and using that time as an excuse to remove and clean the crud out if the intake runners saves you time and knuckles. If yours is that much of a pain to replace, you might consider the longer lasting bosch plugs that are available on your side of the pond, but not stateside. Beru plugs are also good plugs. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:56:43 -0800 From: "Randy Eisenhardt" Subject: RE: [db] Windshield haze If Armorall is not what one should use, what is the preferred method? What is the proper product to keep my dash clean? Simple soap/water? Thanks, Randy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:42 PM To: Jerome Kaidor Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:09:36PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > OK, my wife complained that the Mercedes rear window was hard to > defrost. The problem was that it was Really Dirty. Paper towel after > paper towel came out black. Inspired, I started cleaning off the > inside windshields of my other cars. You know, how they get this haze > on the ininside that just gathers moisture in the morning? Ordinary > cleaners seem to just smush it around. > > One can get the haze off by dry-rubbing it - over and over again. > But that's a lot of work. Anybody know the right way to do it? I use something called invisible glass. It's a teense expensive but I tried it on something that I windexed first, and the rag came out way dirtier than I expected. In the sun, vinyl will outgas even not in the presence of armor all or the like. I fought this problem for years with the wagons, currently fight it with the powerchoke and the two benzes. Never had to deal with it on the jeeps - painted dashes rule :) Anyways, it works great, and odd as it may seem, newspaper works better for streak free glass than rags or paper towels do. I really need to clean the windows in the two benzes. The foul weather makes for odd light refraction through dirty windows. :-/ And never use Armor All on anything you care about. It speeds up the decay of whatever you are protecting. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 15:09:54 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 04:48:23PM -0500, Jim Hoffman wrote: > I found a supplier of biodiesel very near me. I can buy 100% soy > biodiesel if I bring my own container. They sell only 2% at their > pumps. The woman confirmed what you guys were saying... the soy > biodiesel gels quicker than dino diesel. What kind of additive can > I put in to stop the gelling? I'd like to try the 100% biodiesel > in my F-350. I'd probably put off a biodiesel switch until it warmed up a teense if I lived in a climate as cold as yours, Jim. And that's even if I had a fuel preheater under the hood. Oh wait, the benzes do :) I suppose any anti-gel agent would work, but I don't know how its effectiveness is in biodiesel. I suppose you could also use a light blend to not affect the cloud point as bad. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:52:20 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Windshield haze The Leatherique cleaner does say that it is perfectly appropriate on vinyl and plastic. I don't use mine often enough to know long term (or even "regular use") results, but I'm pleased with the stuff. Info at www.leatherique.com. Also available through Rusty at www.buymbparts.com. I've also found it handy to keep one of those Swiffer sheets, or one of its competitors, in the car for light dusting. For dry swiping, it clears dust better than many alternatives. Alec - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Randy Eisenhardt Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:57 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] Windshield haze If Armorall is not what one should use, what is the preferred method? What is the proper product to keep my dash clean? Simple soap/water? Thanks, Randy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:42 PM To: Jerome Kaidor Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:09:36PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > OK, my wife complained that the Mercedes rear window was hard to > defrost. The problem was that it was Really Dirty. Paper towel after > paper towel came out black. Inspired, I started cleaning off the > inside windshields of my other cars. You know, how they get this haze > on the ininside that just gathers moisture in the morning? Ordinary > cleaners seem to just smush it around. > > One can get the haze off by dry-rubbing it - over and over again. > But that's a lot of work. Anybody know the right way to do it? I use something called invisible glass. It's a teense expensive but I tried it on something that I windexed first, and the rag came out way dirtier than I expected. In the sun, vinyl will outgas even not in the presence of armor all or the like. I fought this problem for years with the wagons, currently fight it with the powerchoke and the two benzes. Never had to deal with it on the jeeps - painted dashes rule :) Anyways, it works great, and odd as it may seem, newspaper works better for streak free glass than rags or paper towels do. I really need to clean the windows in the two benzes. The foul weather makes for odd light refraction through dirty windows. :-/ And never use Armor All on anything you care about. It speeds up the decay of whatever you are protecting. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:58:26 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel > On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 04:48:23PM -0500, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > I found a supplier of biodiesel very near me. I can buy 100% soy > > biodiesel if I bring my own container. They sell only 2% at their > > pumps. The woman confirmed what you guys were saying... the soy > > biodiesel gels quicker than dino diesel. What kind of additive can > > I put in to stop the gelling? I'd like to try the 100% biodiesel > > in my F-350. > > I'd probably put off a biodiesel switch until it warmed up a teense if I > lived in a climate as cold as yours, Jim. And that's even if I had a fuel > preheater under the hood. Oh wait, the benzes do :) > > I suppose any anti-gel agent would work, but I don't know how its effectiveness > is in biodiesel. I suppose you could also use a light blend to not affect > the cloud point as bad. > > K Okay, so... based on my quick research so far... #1 - "Fuels that boil in a range of 1500 to 3300C work best in diesel engines because they are completely consumed during combustion, with no waste of fuel or excess emissions. Crude oil compounds called paraffins meet this requirement and are the best for diesel blending, says Ken Mitchell, a research engineer at Shell's Calgary Research Centre. The higher the paraffin content of a fuel, the more easily it will burn, providing quicker warm-ups and complete combustion. Paraffins also offer the best cetane rating, a precise scientific measure of the starting properties of diesel fuels." #2 - "To maximize power and prevent gelling in the winter months, a blend of DF1 and DF2 (winterized fuel) is recommended because it contains far less paraffin, a substance naturally found in diesel fuel. High amounts of paraffin will crystallize at the pour point and clog your filters, crippling your engine. DF1 contains less paraffin that DF2, but it also produces less heat, causing an engine^Rs power and fuel economy to suffer slightly. Using a mix of the two fuels will balance your diesel engine^Rs power and fuel economy with the confidence you gain knowing that your engine is protected from wax formation throughout the winter." So, paraffins burn best but cause gelling... Talk about your catch-22!! ;) Now I need to find out how all this pertains to bio-diesel.... Knowlege is good... ;) Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:55:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Windshield haze I'm using one of those static dust brush things... seems to work fine... john On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, Randy Eisenhardt wrote: >-->If Armorall is not what one should use, what is the preferred method? >-->What is the proper product to keep my dash clean? Simple soap/water? >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Randy >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] >-->On Behalf Of Kevin Pekarek >-->Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:42 PM >-->To: Jerome Kaidor >-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: [db] Windshield haze >--> >-->On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 09:09:36PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->> OK, my wife complained that the Mercedes rear window was hard to >-->> defrost. The problem was that it was Really Dirty. Paper towel after >--> >-->> paper towel came out black. Inspired, I started cleaning off the >-->> inside windshields of my other cars. You know, how they get this haze >--> >-->> on the ininside that just gathers moisture in the morning? Ordinary >-->> cleaners seem to just smush it around. >-->> >-->> One can get the haze off by dry-rubbing it - over and over again. >-->> But that's a lot of work. Anybody know the right way to do it? >--> >-->I use something called invisible glass. It's a teense expensive but I >-->tried it on something that I windexed first, and the rag came out way >-->dirtier than I expected. >--> >-->In the sun, vinyl will outgas even not in the presence of armor all or >-->the like. I fought this problem for years with the wagons, currently >-->fight it with the powerchoke and the two benzes. Never had to deal with >-->it on the jeeps - painted dashes rule :) >--> >-->Anyways, it works great, and odd as it may seem, newspaper works better >-->for streak free glass than rags or paper towels do. I really need to >-->clean the windows in the two benzes. The foul weather makes for odd >-->light refraction through dirty windows. :-/ >--> >-->And never use Armor All on anything you care about. It speeds up the >-->decay of whatever you are protecting. >--> >-->K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1692 **********************************