From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 25 04:19:09 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, February 24 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1754 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] car for Jan Re: [db] Honest Competent Mechanics Re: diesel prices, was Re: [db] Honest Competent Mechanics Re: [db] C200/C220 CDI Sport Coupe? RE: [db] Re: diesel prices Re: [db] car for Jan RE: [db] Re: diesel prices [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed RE: [db] Re: diesel prices Re: [db] Re: diesel prices RE: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed [db] CarFax Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:33:45 -0500 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] car for Jan How do I know that the main fuel filter is plugged and needs replacement? The in-line filter is easily monitored by sight, but not so the main filter. wmpless wrote: > Hi, > based on personal experience would strongly suggest you get for your trip home > the main and the in-line fuel filters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:10:05 -0500 From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Honest Competent Mechanics > $2.19 a gallon here in Walnut Creek, last night in Livingston(?), it was > $2.23 a gallon to top off the powerchoke to get it home after rescuing it > from the clutches of my poor brother who hasn't had to learn how to start a > v8 diesel in the snow at 6000 feet with three dead glow plugs and a weenie > starter. > > Upside: I can safely say I am one of the few native californians who has ever > swapped out glow plugs on a diesel while it was cold and snowing. > > (that's an upside?) > > Downside: it still needed a starter to be swapped in, due to the spark that > launched out of it, and all the burnt stuff sitting on it. Good thing I brought > the spare. The get me home box for this truck is getting ridiculous. Anyone > know of an IDI five speed for sale? :) > > Oh, and don't worry, if WA needs help running off businesses, they need only > look to those transplanted californians. Don't worry, they're still complaining > about their multimillion dollar houses sliding down the hill every time it > rains, so I don't think the *rains* are going to force them North. > > K Sorry my IDI is an automatic ;) Jim/ - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:28:37 -0500 From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: diesel prices, was Re: [db] Honest Competent Mechanics $2.029 two weeks ago, then down to $1.999 last week, now back up to $2.029 again yesterday... Jim/ S.E. Wisconsin > $2.53 for Diesel at the exit on I-5... it's creeping up daily... :( > > john > > Kevin Pekarek wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 11:00:19AM -0800, john meister wrote: > > > >>I heard on Paul Harvey this morning that the nation average > >>for all grades was about $1.98. The lowest I've seen > >>for unleaded is about $1.95, we pay $1.99 at shell... Diesel > >>is at $2.49 to $2.55 out here... I think our state has higher > >>fuel taxes... thank you Democratic party of Washington state... > >>let's see if you can run off other businesses... doesn't seem > >>to run off the Californians... and what's worse is all the rain > >>in California is probably going to cause more of 'em to move north. ;) > > > > > > $2.19 a gallon here in Walnut Creek, last night in Livingston(?), it was > > $2.23 a gallon to top off the powerchoke to get it home after rescuing it > > from the clutches of my poor brother who hasn't had to learn how to start a > > v8 diesel in the snow at 6000 feet with three dead glow plugs and a weenie > > starter. > > > > Upside: I can safely say I am one of the few native californians who has ever > > swapped out glow plugs on a diesel while it was cold and snowing. > > > > (that's an upside?) > > > > Downside: it still needed a starter to be swapped in, due to the spark that > > launched out of it, and all the burnt stuff sitting on it. Good thing I brought > > the spare. The get me home box for this truck is getting ridiculous. Anyone > > know of an IDI five speed for sale? :) > > > > Oh, and don't worry, if WA needs help running off businesses, they need only > > look to those transplanted californians. Don't worry, they're still complaining > > about their multimillion dollar houses sliding down the hill every time it > > rains, so I don't think the *rains* are going to force them North. > > > > K - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:47:02 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] C200/C220 CDI Sport Coupe? It may be affected by what state you're in, but I'd start at the EPA website. I think they had a link somewhere up there about importing individual cars. Not sure if this affects it, but MB no longer offers the C coupe in the US as of 2005 model year. Do they make the coupe in that C30 CDI AMG version? You would definitely be able to tell a difference from your 240D with that bad boy. ;-) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 181K Quoting Bruce Caruthers : > Does anyone know if it is in any way possible to get > a Mercedes C200 (or C220) CDI Sport Coupe and legally > drive it in the US? I see it listed in Europe, and > both my wife and I lust after it (we like the C230 > coupe, too, but would prefer the diesel version). I > notice that the 2005's include a CDI in the E-Class > models. (I'm not worried about it being at the low > end of power, since I'm coming from a 240D. I am > sure it is tons better than that at accelerating...) > > Any suggestions on if/how this would be possible, > and what kind of costs I would be looking at if it > is (legally) possible? > > (We're thinking about replacing our '00 ML, since all > our neighbors have pickups and vans - so don't need > the cargo space - and it is really being primarily > used for city type commuting.) > > Thanks! > -bkc > '76 MB 240D (115) > '00 MB ML320 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:18:43 -0600 From: "Sam Williams" Subject: RE: [db] Re: diesel prices John, et. al., You can stop worrying about fuel prices. Heard on the news this morning that inflation is at a record low level, mostly due to the continuing reduction in fuel prices and general energy costs. Everything's rosy with the economy, it's only an illusion that we're paying more. Sam - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john meister Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:52 AM To: chuck goolsbee Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Re: diesel prices let me know if you need help draining that tank... my GMC Jimmy holds 31 gallons and needs a drink... also have a 15 gallon saddle tank in my J10 trailer that I can fill... ;) taken to driving the wife's '99 wj right now until I get the water pump for my '91 300d. john chuck goolsbee wrote: >> $2.53 for Diesel at the exit on I-5... it's creeping up daily... :( > > > yes... my usual cheap source for Diesel is a > Tesoro-Alaska station at exit 208 of I-5. Their > prices have jumped more than .50" in the past > week! > > We are decommissioning a genset at work in less > than a month, so I have taken to pumping fuel > from it - since it must be emptied, I figured why > waste?! > > I have about 75 gallons to go before I start > having to pay again... I hope it comes back down > in the meantime. > > > > -- > --chuck goolsbee > arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:51:13 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] car for Jan Quoting Paul Brown : > How do I know that the main fuel filter is plugged and needs > replacement? The in-line filter is easily monitored by sight, but not > so the main filter. > > wmpless wrote: > > > Hi, > > based on personal experience would strongly suggest you get for your trip > home > > the main and the in-line fuel filters > > You replace it based on time or mileage, before it gets clogged up. Or for under nine bucks from Rusty, you just replace it now. I imagine if it gets clogged from algae or other gunk in the fuel, you would get standard symptoms of fuel starvation: lower power, especially at higher engine speeds, maybe some hesitations or rougher idle, etc. Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:28:15 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: RE: [db] Re: diesel prices That's some dangerous, unpatriotic sarcasm there, Sam. ;-) Alec Quoting Sam Williams : > John, et. al., > > You can stop worrying about fuel prices. Heard on the news this morning > that inflation is at a record low level, mostly due to the continuing > reduction in fuel prices and general energy costs. Everything's rosy with > the economy, it's only an illusion that we're paying more. > > Sam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:49:28 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed While running some errands I caught up to a 2.2 190D. He took the same exit I did so I followed for a couple of miles just for giggles. He was on the way to work. I asked him if he was interested in selling and he would sell it for $1500. Car is a 5 speed(drool) but had 300K miles. Champagne in color with maroon interior. The outside looked great but the inside was falling apart. The 5 speed makes it very tempting. What kind of mileage does a 5 speed 190D get? How much life is left from a 2.2 diesel with 300K miles? It seemed to run well and I couldn't see any smoke when I was following it. Thanks, Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:59:33 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Quoting "Black, Waylon" : > While running some errands I caught up to a 2.2 190D. He took the same > exit I did so I followed for a couple of miles just for giggles. He was > on the way to work. I asked him if he was interested in selling and he > would sell it for $1500. Car is a 5 speed(drool) but had 300K miles. > Champagne in color with maroon interior. The outside looked great but > the inside was falling apart. > > The 5 speed makes it very tempting. > > What kind of mileage does a 5 speed 190D get? > > How much life is left from a 2.2 diesel with 300K miles? It seemed to > run well and I couldn't see any smoke when I was following it. > > Thanks, > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > I did that once a zillion years ago. I saw an early 60's W110 190 sedan on the road after leaving work late one night and followed him to his apartment. I made the guy really nervous by following him so obviously. At the time, we had a 1963 190c sedan that we were not in a financial position to maintain. (It was our first Benz; started the addiction; needed a clutch, among other things.) I wasn't following him in our Benz, but in an 84 Jetta. After I convinced the guy I wasn't going to mug him, we started talking. Turns out he and his father liked to restore W110s, and they ended up buying ours. They even brought it back by after they finished and let us drive it a while. So does this mean we Benzaholics can be a really scary bunch? Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:23:45 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: RE: [db] Re: diesel prices At 10:28 AM -0600 2/23/05, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >That's some dangerous, unpatriotic sarcasm there, Sam. ;-) The very best kind. - -- - --chuck goolsbee arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:23:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Re: diesel prices Sam Williams wrote: > > John, et. al., > > You can stop worrying about fuel prices. Heard on the news this morning > that inflation is at a record low level, mostly due to the continuing > reduction in fuel prices and general energy costs. Everything's rosy with > the economy, it's only an illusion that we're paying more. > *** What a relief! You have no idea how this was worrying me. Now I can sleep in peace. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:42:20 -0700 From: Subject: RE: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Alec and Waylon, You have to admit...it is a strange sickness that causes some abnormal socially unacceptable behavior. The funny thing is that I can imagine following someone if I were in the right place at the right time to learn more about a nice benz.... Do you think we all need treatment? I guess Waylon's treatment plan is to just try to buy every diesel benz he can find, but it doesn't seem to be working! Somebody help! ;) Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of acordova-at-texas.net Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:00 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed Quoting "Black, Waylon" : > While running some errands I caught up to a 2.2 190D. He took the same > exit I did so I followed for a couple of miles just for giggles. He was > on the way to work. I asked him if he was interested in selling and he > would sell it for $1500. Car is a 5 speed(drool) but had 300K miles. > Champagne in color with maroon interior. The outside looked great but > the inside was falling apart. > > The 5 speed makes it very tempting. > > What kind of mileage does a 5 speed 190D get? > > How much life is left from a 2.2 diesel with 300K miles? It seemed to > run well and I couldn't see any smoke when I was following it. > > Thanks, > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > I did that once a zillion years ago. I saw an early 60's W110 190 sedan on the road after leaving work late one night and followed him to his apartment. I made the guy really nervous by following him so obviously. At the time, we had a 1963 190c sedan that we were not in a financial position to maintain. (It was our first Benz; started the addiction; needed a clutch, among other things.) I wasn't following him in our Benz, but in an 84 Jetta. After I convinced the guy I wasn't going to mug him, we started talking. Turns out he and his father liked to restore W110s, and they ended up buying ours. They even brought it back by after they finished and let us drive it a while. So does this mean we Benzaholics can be a really scary bunch? Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:52:29 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 11:49:28AM -0500, Black, Waylon wrote: > While running some errands I caught up to a 2.2 190D. He took the same > exit I did so I followed for a couple of miles just for giggles. He was > on the way to work. I asked him if he was interested in selling and he > would sell it for $1500. Car is a 5 speed(drool) but had 300K miles. > Champagne in color with maroon interior. The outside looked great but > the inside was falling apart. The maroon interior will be difficult to find in a junkyard, as the color is not overly common. My tan (palomino?) interior is very easy to find parts for. Seems like a good deal, but the mileage points to something expensive waiting to wear out. Engine, transmission, or suspension are all likely, with transmission being the cheaper of the three to deal with - if anything, it probably just needs a clutch and such sometime soon, which isn't that expensive. > The 5 speed makes it very tempting. The five speed makes the car. I still like driving it better than the white car (87 300D). > What kind of mileage does a 5 speed 190D get? Before I got the stupid idea to put pirellis on it, it could clear 40 reliably on the freeway. The pirellis came with the 15" wheels which are a lot cleaner than the 14" ones were. Once they wear out, I should get some mileage back. It is down to a paltry 37 now :) Then again, mine spends virtually no time around town - it is all freeway miles, with its usual daily ritual of about an hour of turning 3000 rpm each way to and from work. Suffice to say, there is no carbon sitting in the combustion chambers from just driving it to the grocery store. Its previous owner gave it a similar workout. > How much life is left from a 2.2 diesel with 300K miles? It seemed to > run well and I couldn't see any smoke when I was following it. I'll defer to Derick on that one. If he hasn't changed the timing chain recently, I'd worry. If it can't leave a 240D in the dust, I'd worry. If it has a howl in first gear if you get it above 3000 rpm, I'd worry. I'd also look long and hard at the suspension bits, no doubt they're wiped out if original. Mine had problems making it past 200k without handling deteriorating to that of a non-german car, but was still serviceable. I can tell you first hand that the suspension work is not complicated (except the resulting alignment that will be required), but is rather time consuming, and you'll end up spending a few hundred on parts by the time you're done. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:01:02 -0600 From: "Roger Conlon" Subject: [db] CarFax Can some one run a vin check please WDBCA35D3JA399164 Thanks Roger _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:42:44 -0800 From: "derick" Subject: Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed > How much life is left from a 2.2 diesel with 300K miles? It seemed to > run well and I couldn't see any smoke when I was following it. Timing chain changed recently? If you do not know check it for stretch. Check for play on the belt tensioner idler pulley and bracket. These two items if they break may cause a catastrophic engine failure. It also leaves a big mess in the engine compartment and surrounding area. At the very least you will need a new timing chain cover if this happens. If these items are fine and it runs smooth, let it be. If you have the means, do a compression check so you have a baseline. Some of the rental places carry them you will need to have the "VW" adapter. I rented one for a week for about $10 but that was in 1998. I bought one off eBay for about $30 a couple years back. If you want to do any of the above let me know and I will post a general step by step when I get the time. Glad I am not close or I would have snagged that one.... I have a rebuilt engine that is dying to get into a 5 speed 190... ;) Of course I do not think I would have followed it so the point is mute. ;) Derick - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:49:56 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] 2.2 190 D/5 speed On Wed, Feb 23, 2005 at 06:42:44PM -0800, derick wrote: > Of course I do not think I would have followed it so the point is mute. ;) I agree. I've owned enough diesels to not want to follow them. Especially if they're going uphill. :) K ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1754 **********************************