From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 9 07:08:51 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, March 9 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1766 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] diesel-benz-digest V1 #1765 Re: [db] derick needs a new toy Re: [db] derick needs a new toy Re: [db] derick needs a new toy [db] today's stats RE: [db] derick needs a new toy Re: [db] today's stats Re: [db] removing cam cover on 190D (Now Tensioner) Re: [db] today's stats Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: mark sorros Subject: [db] 87 300TD coolant Hi, What is the best way to remove trapped air from my coolant system? I have flushed the system, replaced the thermostat, brought the water temp to over 80C with the heater on and expansion cap off. Now I seem to be loosing coolant. I don't think it's a leak, but there's too much trapped air in the system. When I turn the heater on , it makes a growling sound and then operates. It sounds like there's air in the system. Thanks in advance for your help. Mark __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:05:21 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] 87 300TD coolant I haven't been there myself, and I'm not sure if this applies to the OM603 engine, but I've heard that the best trick is to get the front of the car higher than the back, using ramps or whatever is available. I guess the incline helps move any trapped air toward the bleedable points. Alec Quoting mark sorros : > Hi, > > What is the best way to remove trapped air from my > coolant system? I have flushed the system, replaced > the thermostat, brought the water temp to over 80C > with the heater on and expansion cap off. Now I seem > to be loosing coolant. I don't think it's a leak, but > there's too much trapped air in the system. When I > turn the heater on , it makes a growling sound and > then operates. It sounds like there's air in the > system. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Mark > > > > > __________________________________ > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web > http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:36:22 -0800 From: "derick amburgey" Subject: RE: [db] 87 300TD coolant Mark, I have a 190d but this may work with your car. when the engine is being filled for the first time I pull off the radiator hose that goes from the top of the radiator to the head. I fill that up with water first then reattach to the radiator. I finish the job using filling at the expansion tank on the fender. Derick - - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 87 300TD coolant When I was working on my '91 2.5L TD I left the upper rad hose off as I filled... soon as it came out of the hose/rad I put it on... didn't have any air bubbles... the 4.0L jeeps with the oddball coolant recovery system is a royal pain... usually I try to leave a heater hose disconnected and even that doesn't always help... but havent' had those problems with the benz. john On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, derick amburgey wrote: >-->-->coolant system? >-->Mark> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->Mark, >--> >-->I have a 190d but this may work with your car. >-->when the engine is being filled for the first time I pull off the radiator >-->hose that goes from the top of the radiator to the head. >-->I fill that up with water first then reattach to the radiator. I finish the >-->job using filling at the expansion tank on the fender. >--> >--> >-->Derick >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-- >-->No virus found in this outgoing message. >-->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 >--> ---- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:08:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: [db] 300D Down Pipe Hi guys, Well, I replaced the down pipe on my faithful 300D this weekend. Damn pipe cost $160 from the Mercedes dealer - it was a fancy piece. Has a bellows in the middle of the down section. I guess, so the engine can vibrate more than the exhaust. But it also made it easier to snake the thing down between the engine and firewall :). When I undid the old pipe under the car, about a half cup of water poured out. Strange. The car had been sitting for about a week, and there had been some serious rain during that time.... I also asked the parts guy for all the connection parts - bolts, nuts, gaskets. This added another $50 or so to the tab. He gave me one pricy- looking seal that was not needed: at the top, the pipe is just a taper-fit onto a steel piece at the aft end of the bellows that goes to the turbo. The tapers were stuck tight, and I could not get it off. Lucky, I'd gotten 220V into the garage the previous weekend: this enabled me to run my big compressor for the first time in six years, and that let me use an air hammer to persuade the old pipe loose. Then it was a straightforward job to bolt everything up. When I started the car, I was surprised at how quiet and smooth it had gotten. Next job is to replace the AC clutch - well, after I R&R the head on my wife's -at-#$%-at-#$% jaguar. ( Tried to convince her to buy a Benz, but did she listen? ) - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:07:21 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: A rare Aussie wow... very cool... that's amazing... looks like an overgrown possum. kind of sad, but still impressive... john On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Terry Halmshaw wrote: > -->John I have attached a link to my site that I think you will take great > -->interest in. > --> > -->Here it is. > -->http://www.autoremedy.com/forum_viewtopic.php?2.5094 > --> > --> ---- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:37:35 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: [db] derick needs a new toy Derick, you still near Port Orchard? http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=179074801&dealer_id=56032226&car_year=1987&make=MB&distance=0&lang=en&max_price=&model=190D2.5&end_year=2006&min_price=&certified=&address=94061&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1986&isp=y&cardist=696 K - ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1765 ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 01:47:46 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] derick needs a new toy he's not THAT far away... ;) BTW, on the '87 300SDL and '84 300SD he posted... I looked at the '84, but both had been sold... but the guy called me back and said the '87 was available again... it's black, gray interior... needs ball joints... says the shop estimated about two grand to fix it! He's asking $2,500. I looked up the range of value on that six cylinder sedan and I think he's dreaming... the car in excellent shap can't be worth five grand... hard to say... BTW, it was 61 degrees at 10pm in Seattle on March 8th! Is that wild or what... or worse, Diesel was about $2.69 per gallon. :( My property taxes went up significantly this year too... funny how my paycheck doesn't do the same thing though... although I am happy to have a regular one again. ;) john On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->Derick, you still near Port Orchard? >--> >-->http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=179074801&dealer_id=56032226&car_year=1987&make=MB&distance=0&lang=en&max_price=&model=190D2.5&end_year=2006&min_price=&certified=&address=94061&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1986&isp=y&cardist=696 >--> >--> >-->K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:59:48 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: [db] derick needs a new toy On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 01:47:46AM -0500, john wrote: > he's not THAT far away... ;) He lived in Port Orchard when I bought the 190D from him. > BTW, on the '87 300SDL and '84 300SD he posted... I looked > at the '84, but both had been sold... but the guy called > me back and said the '87 was available again... it's black, > gray interior... needs ball joints... says the shop estimated > about two grand to fix it! He's asking $2,500. I looked up > the range of value on that six cylinder sedan and I think > he's dreaming... the car in excellent shap can't be worth > five grand... hard to say... I'd lowball him, then just get LCAs with the ball joints in them. Shop probably did what Stead tried to do to me with the 190D - thinking that one ball joint needing replacement justified rebuilding all of the suspension in the car nose to tail at $137.50 per hour. I didn't think so. If you really wanna get him down low, squeeze the radiator hose. Sucker probably needs a head. I'll let you all know just how much of a PITA this is when I do the job on the 300D. > BTW, it was 61 degrees at 10pm in Seattle on March 8th! > Is that wild or what... or worse, Diesel was about $2.69 > per gallon. :( My property taxes went up significantly > this year too... funny how my paycheck doesn't do the > same thing though... although I am happy to have a regular > one again. ;) Any signs of clouds from St Helens? K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] derick needs a new toy On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 01:47:46AM -0500, john wrote: >-->> he's not THAT far away... ;) >-->He lived in Port Orchard when I bought the 190D from him. I know... he's not that far away... neither am I really... hour, hour and a half tops... kind of like going from Fremont to Monterey... :) >-->I'd lowball him, then just get LCAs with the ball joints in them. Shop >-->probably did what Stead tried to do to me with the 190D - thinking that >-->one ball joint needing replacement justified rebuilding all of the >-->suspension in the car nose to tail at $137.50 per hour. I didn't think so. I told him I was primarily interested in the engine and trans and when he was ready for a fire sale to give me a call. >-->If you really wanna get him down low, squeeze the radiator hose. Sucker >-->probably needs a head. I'll let you all know just how much of a PITA this >-->is when I do the job on the 300D. how is that going to tell me if the head is bad... if it won't squeeze because of the stuffed sausage effect? :) >-->> BTW, it was 61 degrees at 10pm in Seattle on March 8th! >-->> Is that wild or what... or worse, Diesel was about $2.69 >-->> per gallon. :( My property taxes went up significantly >-->> this year too... funny how my paycheck doesn't do the >-->> same thing though... although I am happy to have a regular >-->> one again. ;) >--> >-->Any signs of clouds from St Helens? St. Helens is almost down in Portland, I think it's 190 miles south of us... I've got Mt. Baker about 90 miles north of me, and Mt. Rainier about 90 miles south of me. I'm above the flood plain about 350 feet, shielded from a low level nuke drops on Seattle and wind storms coming off of the Pacific up the straits by sitting on the north side of a ridge, and on a seismically stable area, mostly glacial morain. Other than the rain, which we haven't seen much of lately, we're pretty well safe from most catastrophic events. :) Of course if something bad does happen we'll starve to death with the rest of the population, but our house will probably still be standing. :) >-->K ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] today's stats 8 March 2005 regular unleaded $2.15 diesel $2.75 (exit 186 I-5) Of course I saw regular for $2.09 and Diesel for $2.69 other places. what's even weirder though... 61 Degrees F at 10pm on March 8 in Seattle! And it WASN'T raining... I believe we set some high temp records today... weird... I am not looking forward to this summer... we're going to pay for all this nice weather... :) or we're going to be one big forest fire... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:34:48 -0800 From: "derick amburgey" Subject: RE: [db] derick needs a new toy - -Derick, you still near Port Orchard? K I appreciate the thought,. 5700$ is way out of my price range. I am in Spanaway now Kevin but Port orchard is within range. (Now I am right on the western fence line of Ft Lewis Army base) Even if I had 5700$ i would probably be buying a lawn tractor to cut this field I have here. Been hacking it out with a 21" push mower. Good thing in this, I am getting plenty of exercise! Bad thing no time for cars. I started riding my Honda 250NX to work (62 MPG) however certain parts of my body are getting a chill. ;) Derick - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 3/7/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:40:20 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] today's stats count yerself lucky... it's still 3.80euro a US gallon here... ;-) On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:24:54 -0500 (EST), john wrote: > 8 March 2005 > regular unleaded $2.15 > diesel $2.75 > (exit 186 I-5) > Of course I saw regular for $2.09 and Diesel for $2.69 other places. > > what's even weirder though... 61 Degrees F at 10pm on March 8 in Seattle! > And it WASN'T raining... I believe we set some high temp records today... > > weird... I am not looking forward to this summer... we're going to pay > for all this nice weather... :) or we're going to be one big forest fire... > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:44:44 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] removing cam cover on 190D (Now Tensioner) ARGH! Bought the new tensioner shock yesterday, went to fit this morning.. only 2 bolts, took the top one out, started on the bottom one... can't get it out! Why? Coz it backs out up against the fan pulley! Does this mean I have to remove the fan shroud, belt, fan pulley just to back out the bolt about 3 more threads? Please tell me there is a knack to this.... Cheers Steve On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:18:29 +0000, Stephen Rigley wrote: > Thanks for the reply! > Well... I've always suspected that the tensioning shock was dead... > and it seems the spring is dead too now. If I push on the belt between > PS pulley and crank, I can make the tensioner move easily. At idle I > can also see the belt vibrating out, looks as tho there is about 4 > inches in play when it does this!!! > I'm gonna bring it over to a mechanic buddy this evening for a look. > Steve > > > On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:41:25 -0800, derick wrote: > > > > > > So, I changed the oil and investigated the "weird noise",,,, the belt is > > v.loose! Hence the tooth jump I suppose ;-) So, I assume the tension spring > > and shock are toast... Anyone done this before? Special tools needed? Cheers > > Steve > > > > > > I do not like the sound of this, that belt does not come loose all of a > > sudden unless the spring breaks or the upper retaining bolt comes out. > > It may also come loose if the tensioner assy breaks off the timing chain > > cover in that case you would know it because your engine compartment would > > be coated in oil. Inspect all of the belt tensioning components VERY > > carefully. If there is any doubt replace as needed. > > > > Derick > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 07:06:04 -0500 From: Marc Subject: Re: [db] today's stats Currently, we're paying $1.81 for regular and $2.08 for Diesel. On the news this past Monday they indicated that the price will be $2.50 by summer for regular. I guess your area will get there first. Marc Z in NC john wrote: > 8 March 2005 > regular unleaded $2.15 > diesel $2.75 > (exit 186 I-5) > Of course I saw regular for $2.09 and Diesel for $2.69 other places. > > what's even weirder though... 61 Degrees F at 10pm on March 8 in Seattle! > And it WASN'T raining... I believe we set some high temp records > today... > > weird... I am not looking forward to this summer... we're going to pay > for all this nice weather... :) or we're going to be one big forest > fire... > > john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1766 **********************************