From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Mar 10 18:12:13 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, March 10 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1770 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle [db] Low buck DIY veggie conversion for Hue Wong Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle [db] w201 vs. W124 Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Re: [db] w201 vs. W124 Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle RE: [db] biodiesel in seattle RE: [db] biodiesel in seattle Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Re: [db] Low buck DIY veggie conversion for Hue Wong Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:14:18 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Wasn't it www.greasel.com? Quoting hue wong : > So, after getting sticker shock at the pump the other > day and realizing that the "summer price jump" isn't > even here yet, I've decided to take the jump and do a > full veggie oil conversion on my 300td this year. > > So can anyone point me in the right direction for some > god info on this project? any estimates on the overa > ll cost of said project? > > >From what I've read... is it really as easy as > plumbing in another tank in the trunk and replacing > some of the hoses and seals? > > I would like the ability to still run #2, but those > free 55 gallons of used vegi oil three blocks away at > the local burger joint each week as opposed to $3.00 a > gallon number 2 is just to enticing! > > Thanks all! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:04:14 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Low buck DIY veggie conversion for Hue Wong Bought some VW diesel parts from this guy - this is about as low buck as you can get. Super nice guy - considered a 'low-tech genius' in the veggie field(he doesn't think he is all that smart). You can google the phrase 'Peter Denz' and Rabbit and/or diesel and found a lot of info on his project. http://www.greasestation.com/svoinfo.htm Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle So, after getting sticker shock at the pump the other day and realizing that the "summer price jump" isn't even here yet, I've decided to take the jump and do a full veggie oil conversion on my 300td this year. So can anyone point me in the right direction for some god info on this project? any estimates on the overa ll cost of said project? >From what I've read... is it really as easy as plumbing in another tank in the trunk and replacing some of the hoses and seals? I would like the ability to still run #2, but those free 55 gallons of used vegi oil three blocks away at the local burger joint each week as opposed to $3.00 a gallon number 2 is just to enticing! Thanks all! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:04:01 -0800 From: "Dan Jacobs" Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much monkeyin' around > with heaters, etc. You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the gel point of the SVO this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or very cheap (filter it before blending if at all possible, and carry extra fuel filters just in case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't count the time involved. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:55:25 -0500 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] w201 vs. W124 and to that I add (meas. according to 1986 MB pamphlet: - inches W201 W124 W126 -300SDL head room front 36.9 36.9 37.3 legroom front 41.9 41.7 41.9 headroom rear 36.0 36.9 36.6 legroom rear 30.9 33.5 39.6 access height front 34.8 35.7 35.5 seat depth front 19.5 19.4 19.3 hiproom front 51.0 53.0 56.4 shoulder room front 53.5 55.9 56.2 seat depth rear 20.0 19.3 19.6 hiproom rear 51.1 55.4 57.8 shoulder room rear 53.2 55.7 55.7 trunk cap. cu.ft 11.7 14.6 15.2 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] vehicle dimensions Mercedes Dimensions Mdl - WB - length - Width ============================ 123 110.0 186.0 70.3 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 126 115.6 202.6 71.6 201 104.9 175.0 66.1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:59:38 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle biodiesel is different than waste vegetable oil. :) biodiesel shouldn't require any conversion. wvo does. :) I saw a free 300gal oil tank on craigslist last night... haven't heard from the guy so it's probably already gone. ;) john On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, hue wong wrote: >-->So, after getting sticker shock at the pump the other >-->day and realizing that the "summer price jump" isn't >-->even here yet, I've decided to take the jump and do a >-->full veggie oil conversion on my 300td this year. >--> >-->So can anyone point me in the right direction for some >-->god info on this project? any estimates on the overa >-->ll cost of said project? >--> >-->>From what I've read... is it really as easy as >-->plumbing in another tank in the trunk and replacing >-->some of the hoses and seals? >--> >-->I would like the ability to still run #2, but those >-->free 55 gallons of used vegi oil three blocks away at >-->the local burger joint each week as opposed to $3.00 a >-->gallon number 2 is just to enticing! >--> >-->Thanks all! >--> >-->--- john wrote: >-->> there's one up in ballard too, they were selling >-->> at close to $3.00 prepaid as well... >-->> >-->> thanx, >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->They are on the way to W Seattle. I just called >-->> over there and it seems they >-->> >-->are a co-operative where people buy their fuel >-->> in advance. They are >-->> >-->currently overwhelmed with applications and have >-->> changed their sign to >-->> >-->reflect this in the past couple days. >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** >-->> http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't >-->> rust, they mold. >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: hue wong Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Dan! ya, this is how I run through the summer. Last summer I was getting upwards of 70/30 (70 #2 and 30 oil) mix that was working pretty well. and I have this crazy filter system with pantyhose that I use to filter the oil before hand. All in all it works pretty good, but I want to go full veggie oil (or have the capacity). I love the look of folks faces when you tell them about burning veggie oil and they don't believe it can be done and you pour a bottle of wesson oil into the tank.... - --- Dan Jacobs wrote: > > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much > monkeyin' around > > with heaters, etc. > > You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the > gel point of the SVO > this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or > very cheap (filter it > before blending if at all possible, and carry extra > fuel filters just in > case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't > count the time involved. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] w201 vs. W124 created a page with this info: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/interior-dimensions.txt btw, I registered a new domain, will move the Diesel Benz stuff to it when it's all setup... the new domain is JohnMeister.com makes more sense for my unix/linux/diesel etc stuff. :) john On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, wmpless wrote: >-->and to that I add >-->(meas. according to 1986 MB pamphlet: - inches >--> W201 W124 W126 -300SDL >-->head room front 36.9 36.9 37.3 >-->legroom front 41.9 41.7 41.9 >-->headroom rear 36.0 36.9 36.6 >-->legroom rear 30.9 33.5 39.6 >-->access height front 34.8 35.7 35.5 >-->seat depth front 19.5 19.4 19.3 >-->hiproom front 51.0 53.0 56.4 >-->shoulder room front 53.5 55.9 56.2 >-->seat depth rear 20.0 19.3 19.6 >-->hiproom rear 51.1 55.4 57.8 >-->shoulder room rear 53.2 55.7 55.7 >-->trunk cap. cu.ft 11.7 14.6 15.2 >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:31:01 -0500 (EST) >-->From: john >-->Subject: [db] vehicle dimensions >--> >-->Mercedes Dimensions >-->Mdl - WB - length - Width >-->============================ >-->123 110.0 186.0 70.3 >-->124 110.0 186.6 68.5 >-->126 115.6 202.6 71.6 >-->201 104.9 175.0 66.1 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:17:33 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Dan, You are correct. However, if you noticed my P.S. I *don't want* to blend ANY dino diesel. If biodiesel is supposed to have more energy, better lubricating properties, less pollution, etc., I want to run *straight* biodiesel. There *has* to be a way to minimize the gelling without using dinodiesel... That is my quest ;) Jim/ > > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much monkeyin' around > > with heaters, etc. > > You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the gel point of the SVO > this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or very cheap (filter it > before blending if at all possible, and carry extra fuel filters just in > case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't count the time involved. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:39:00 -0700 From: Subject: RE: [db] biodiesel in seattle Jim, SVO = Straight Vegetable Oil = Veggie Oil SVO does not equal BioDiesel. BioDiesel is created from SVO that is run through a chemical process. I don't know if BioDiesel has the same gelling problems as SVO....you may be able to run it straight...whereas with SVO, you would have problems in cold weather, without making heater mods and such. R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:18 PM To: diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Dan, You are correct. However, if you noticed my P.S. I *don't want* to blend ANY dino diesel. If biodiesel is supposed to have more energy, better lubricating properties, less pollution, etc., I want to run *straight* biodiesel. There *has* to be a way to minimize the gelling without using dinodiesel... That is my quest ;) Jim/ > > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much monkeyin' around > > with heaters, etc. > > You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the gel point of the SVO > this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or very cheap (filter it > before blending if at all possible, and carry extra fuel filters just in > case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't count the time involved. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:45:16 -0700 From: Subject: RE: [db] biodiesel in seattle Jim, Found the following web-site, which seems to have some good ideas for you: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:39 PM To: jslash-at-execpc.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: [db] biodiesel in seattle Jim, SVO = Straight Vegetable Oil = Veggie Oil SVO does not equal BioDiesel. BioDiesel is created from SVO that is run through a chemical process. I don't know if BioDiesel has the same gelling problems as SVO....you may be able to run it straight...whereas with SVO, you would have problems in cold weather, without making heater mods and such. R, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:18 PM To: diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Dan, You are correct. However, if you noticed my P.S. I *don't want* to blend ANY dino diesel. If biodiesel is supposed to have more energy, better lubricating properties, less pollution, etc., I want to run *straight* biodiesel. There *has* to be a way to minimize the gelling without using dinodiesel... That is my quest ;) Jim/ > > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much monkeyin' around > > with heaters, etc. > > You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the gel point of the SVO > this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or very cheap (filter it > before blending if at all possible, and carry extra fuel filters just in > case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't count the time involved. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:47:10 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Dan, >--> >--> You are correct. However, if you noticed my P.S. I *don't want* >-->to blend ANY dino diesel. If biodiesel is supposed to have more >-->energy, better lubricating properties, less pollution, etc., I want >-->to run *straight* biodiesel. There *has* to be a way to minimize >-->the gelling without using dinodiesel... That is my quest ;) to that the answer is relatively simple, at least to Dan and me... go west young man... the number of days we had below 32 degrees this year wouldn't make for a long weekend. ;) john >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> > Well, I'm going to stay away from SVO... To much monkeyin' around >-->> > with heaters, etc. >-->> >-->> You can blend No 2 diesel and Veggie oil, lower the gel point of the SVO >-->> this way, and if you get the veggie oil for free or very cheap (filter it >-->> before blending if at all possible, and carry extra fuel filters just in >-->> case), then you are coming out ahead if you don't count the time involved. >-->> >-->> Dan >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:59:23 -0600 From: Sam Williams Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle Hue, You can run straight veggie oil as long as temp is above gel point. Greasel.com has tanks, heaters, special hoses, valves, etc.--also available as a kit. It is as simple as adding a tank, hoses and switchover valve. That's not totally simple as the tank and hoses are heated and you run engine coolant in the special multi-channel hose. The switchover valve goes under hood. Typically, they recommend starting with #2 and switching after the thermostat opens. I've found SVO and Biodiesel both leave a sticky residue if you spill some and it dries out (unlike #2 that just stinks for a while then disappears). Anybody know how to remove that residue? I wonder if veggie oil leaves deposits in engines, fuel lines. Haven't had any problems yet, tho--and it's been a few years. Sam On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 10:17 -0800, hue wong wrote: > So, after getting sticker shock at the pump the other > day and realizing that the "summer price jump" isn't > even here yet, I've decided to take the jump and do a > full veggie oil conversion on my 300td this year. > > So can anyone point me in the right direction for some > god info on this project? any estimates on the overa > ll cost of said project? > > >From what I've read... is it really as easy as > plumbing in another tank in the trunk and replacing > some of the hoses and seals? > > I would like the ability to still run #2, but those > free 55 gallons of used vegi oil three blocks away at > the local burger joint each week as opposed to $3.00 a > gallon number 2 is just to enticing! > > Thanks all! > > --- john wrote: > > there's one up in ballard too, they were selling > > at close to $3.00 prepaid as well... > > > > thanx, > > john > > > > On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: > > > > >-->They are on the way to W Seattle. I just called > > over there and it seems they > > >-->are a co-operative where people buy their fuel > > in advance. They are > > >-->currently overwhelmed with applications and have > > changed their sign to > > >-->reflect this in the past couple days. > > >--> > > >--> > > > > ---- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** > > http://freegift.net ** > > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > > rust, they mold. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:11:16 -0600 From: Sam Williams Subject: Re: [db] Low buck DIY veggie conversion for Hue Wong Waylon, Nice site. Worth reading. Always good knowing smart people who aren't always working to impress others with their brilliance. Greasel.com sells kits if you don't have Peter's skills in building tanks, etc. Sam On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 15:04 -0500, Black, Waylon wrote: > Bought some VW diesel parts from this guy - this is about as low buck as > you can get. Super nice guy - considered a 'low-tech genius' in the > veggie field(he doesn't think he is all that smart). > > You can google the phrase 'Peter Denz' and Rabbit and/or diesel and > found a lot of info on his project. > > http://www.greasestation.com/svoinfo.htm > > > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) > From: hue wong > Subject: Re: [db] biodiesel in seattle > > So, after getting sticker shock at the pump the other > day and realizing that the "summer price jump" isn't > even here yet, I've decided to take the jump and do a > full veggie oil conversion on my 300td this year. > > So can anyone point me in the right direction for some > god info on this project? any estimates on the overa > ll cost of said project? > > >From what I've read... is it really as easy as > plumbing in another tank in the trunk and replacing > some of the hoses and seals? > > I would like the ability to still run #2, but those > free 55 gallons of used vegi oil three blocks away at > the local burger joint each week as opposed to $3.00 a > gallon number 2 is just to enticing! > > Thanks all! ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1770 **********************************