From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Mar 20 01:08:09 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, March 20 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1779 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] adapting a Diesel to an AW4 Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... Re: [db] popcorn? RE: [db] popcorn? Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) [db] Re: xj: Re: adapting a Diesel to an AW4 Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... Re: [db] popcorn? RE: [db] popcorn? Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) Re: [db] popcorn? Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) RE: [db] popcorn? [db] stuck again... Re: [db] popcorn? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:04:59 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] adapting a Diesel to an AW4 I'm wondering what inputs the Aisin Warner 30-80LE requires from the engine. Throttle position sensor? Speed sensor? Wondering what it would take to modify it so that it'd work with the OM617 3.0L Turbo Diesel. First thing is to get an adapter ring to mate them together. Then making sure the torque converter will work. I could use a manual switch to control the transmission, that's already been figured out. Four solenoids on the AW4. Anyone played around with making an A-D converter off the TPS & a speed sensor to make this thing work? I'll work up some schematics later... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:09:04 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... > actually the ACT II butter lovers from costco works fine for > me... ACT II is great stuff... That's all we have at home. Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:08:02 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? > after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, > Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't shut it off > as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... > > john My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was before we were married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as good ;) Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:12:25 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] popcorn? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:08 AM > To: diesel-benz list > Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? > > > > > after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, > > Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't shut it off > > as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... > > > > john > > My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was before we were > married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as > good ;) > > Jim/ > I'm just waiting for some young'n here to ask, "What's Emerson, Lake and Palmer?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:12:49 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) > 1984 300SD TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 273K miles, cream/brown. Body and > interior good, needs starter, $500. 360-568-5065 days, 425-334-7154* > > > 1987 300SDL TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 178K miles, black/grey. Body and > interior good, needs ball joints, runs great, $2,500. 360-568-5065 days > 425-334-7154* Did anyone ever check out these vehicles? Boy, a nice '87 300SDL would be very nice. Currently taking a break from replacing the rear u-joint on my F-350 IDI Turbo Diesel. Second one in a year. I guess they get more stress than I suspected. I need to get under there with a grease gun a little more often ;) Takin' a break listening to some great Mindi Abair on her website. Talk about great sax! ;) Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:32:49 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: Re: adapting a Diesel to an AW4 what does the TVS cable do? sounds promising, any idea of price? john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->A: COnverter mods can be done by SeaTac trans. It needs TVS cable and a TPS >-->for auto. On the Renix rigs it's a 2 piece unit (2 sensors in one switch), >-->but HO are all in one. As for the shifter, Frank Swygert has already done >-->that with an AW4 in his Rambler. I'm cc'ing him >--> >--> >-->From: john >-->Subject: xj: adapting a Diesel to an AW4 >--> >-->I'm wondering what inputs the Aisin Warner 30-80LE >-->requires from the engine. Throttle position sensor? >-->Speed sensor? >--> >-->Wondering what it would take to modify it so that it'd >-->work with the OM617 3.0L Turbo Diesel. >--> >-->First thing is to get an adapter ring to mate them together. >-->Then making sure the torque converter will work. >--> >-->I could use a manual switch to control the transmission, >-->that's already been figured out. Four solenoids on >-->the AW4. >--> >-->Anyone played around with making an A-D converter >-->off the TPS & a speed sensor to make this thing work? >--> >-->I'll work up some schematics later... >--> >-->john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... we should make it the official popcorn of this list, eh? :) john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> actually the ACT II butter lovers from costco works fine for >-->> me... >--> >--> >-->ACT II is great stuff... That's all we have at home. >--> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:34:44 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? I got to see Styx, REO Speedwagon and Chicago at my high school in the '70's... growing up in the greater Chicago area did have it's benefits. :) john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >--> >-->> after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, >-->> Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't shut it off >-->> as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... >-->> >-->> john >--> >-->My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was before we were >-->married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as >-->good ;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] popcorn? On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->I'm just waiting for some young'n here to ask, "What's Emerson, Lake and >-->Palmer?" brain salad surgery? :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:37:26 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) I did. both had just sold when I made it out to his place. the '84 was a good buy. I didn't see the '87, but the sale failed and he called me back on monday. I could give the guy a call to see if the '87 is still there. He said he had an estimate of $2500 to fix the ball joints. With the mileage on the engine I wasn't going to spend that kind of money to buy to car and then spend that much to fix it. john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> 1984 300SD TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 273K miles, cream/brown. Body and >-->> interior good, needs starter, $500. 360-568-5065 days, 425-334-7154* >-->> >-->> >-->> 1987 300SDL TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 178K miles, black/grey. Body and >-->> interior good, needs ball joints, runs great, $2,500. 360-568-5065 days >-->> 425-334-7154* >--> >-->Did anyone ever check out these vehicles? Boy, a nice '87 300SDL would >-->be very nice. >--> >-->Currently taking a break from replacing the rear u-joint on my F-350 >-->IDI Turbo Diesel. Second one in a year. I guess they get more stress >-->than I suspected. I need to get under there with a grease gun a little >-->more often ;) >--> >-->Takin' a break listening to some great Mindi Abair on her website. >-->Talk about great sax! >--> >-->;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:42:24 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? I saw REO *FIVE* times when I was a "young man" ;) Now my daughter is a big REO fan so I'm going to take her to see them this summer. They ALWAYS cruise thru here and hit the county fair circuit. Should be a great time! ;) Jim/ > > I got to see Styx, REO Speedwagon and Chicago at my > high school in the '70's... growing up in the greater > Chicago area did have it's benefits. :) > > john > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >--> > >-->> after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, > >-->> Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't shut it off > >-->> as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... > >-->> > >-->> john > >--> > >-->My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was before we were > >-->married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as > >-->good ;) > >--> > >-->Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:44:38 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) $2500 to replace BALL JOINTS?!?!? What the heck? Is it that hard on that car or are they made of solid gold?!?! What's the deal?? Jim/ > I did. both had just sold when I made it out to his place. > the '84 was a good buy. I didn't see the '87, but the sale > failed and he called me back on monday. > > I could give the guy a call to see if the '87 is still there. > He said he had an estimate of $2500 to fix the ball joints. > With the mileage on the engine I wasn't going to spend that > kind of money to buy to car and then spend that much to fix it. > > john > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->> 1984 300SD TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 273K miles, cream/brown. Body and > >-->> interior good, needs starter, $500. 360-568-5065 days, 425-334-7154* > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> 1987 300SDL TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 178K miles, black/grey. Body and > >-->> interior good, needs ball joints, runs great, $2,500. 360-568-5065 days > >-->> 425-334-7154* > >--> > >-->Did anyone ever check out these vehicles? Boy, a nice '87 300SDL would > >-->be very nice. > >--> > >-->Currently taking a break from replacing the rear u-joint on my F-350 > >-->IDI Turbo Diesel. Second one in a year. I guess they get more stress > >-->than I suspected. I need to get under there with a grease gun a little > >-->more often ;) > >--> > >-->Takin' a break listening to some great Mindi Abair on her website. > >-->Talk about great sax! > >--> > >-->;) > >--> > >-->Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:46:08 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... Oh, man! We need an *official popcorn*?!?!? ;) Jim/ > we should make it the official popcorn of this list, eh? :) > > john > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->> actually the ACT II butter lovers from costco works fine for > >-->> me... > >--> > >--> > >-->ACT II is great stuff... That's all we have at home. > >--> > >-->Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:58:33 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Pacific NW DBZ alert (fixers) don't know... that's what the guy told me the shop in everett quoted him... I've used the shop before, they did the ball joints on my J10, and it didn't cost THAT much. john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->$2500 to replace BALL JOINTS?!?!? What the heck? Is it that hard >-->on that car or are they made of solid gold?!?! What's the deal?? >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> I did. both had just sold when I made it out to his place. >-->> the '84 was a good buy. I didn't see the '87, but the sale >-->> failed and he called me back on monday. >-->> >-->> I could give the guy a call to see if the '87 is still there. >-->> He said he had an estimate of $2500 to fix the ball joints. >-->> With the mileage on the engine I wasn't going to spend that >-->> kind of money to buy to car and then spend that much to fix it. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> 1984 300SD TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 273K miles, cream/brown. Body and >-->> >-->> interior good, needs starter, $500. 360-568-5065 days, >-->425-334-7154* >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> 1987 300SDL TURBO diesel. 30+ MPG. 178K miles, black/grey. Body and >-->> >-->> interior good, needs ball joints, runs great, $2,500. >-->360-568-5065 days >-->> >-->> 425-334-7154* >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Did anyone ever check out these vehicles? Boy, a nice '87 300SDL >-->would >-->> >-->be very nice. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Currently taking a break from replacing the rear u-joint on my F-350 >-->> >-->IDI Turbo Diesel. Second one in a year. I guess they get more stress >-->> >-->than I suspected. I need to get under there with a grease gun a >-->little >-->> >-->more often ;) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Takin' a break listening to some great Mindi Abair on her website. >-->> >-->Talk about great sax! >-->> >--> >-->> >-->;) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:28:49 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] popcorn? First concert I attended was Chicago, in Boston. My mother took me. Of the three, I guess at least REO can still play their old stuff right. Too bad, too. I was much more into old Styx and Chicago than REO. And as for the Official Popcorn, I wonder if we can get them to kick in some money for the honor. ;-) Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:42 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? > > > I saw REO *FIVE* times when I was a "young man" ;) > Now my daughter is a big REO fan so I'm going to take her to see them > this summer. They ALWAYS cruise thru here and hit the county fair > circuit. Should be a great time! ;) > > Jim/ > > > > > I got to see Styx, REO Speedwagon and Chicago at my > > high school in the '70's... growing up in the greater > > Chicago area did have it's benefits. :) > > > > john > > > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > >--> > > >-->> after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, > > >-->> Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't > shut it off > > >-->> as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... > > >-->> > > >-->> john > > >--> > > >-->My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was > before we were > > >-->married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as > > >-->good ;) > > >--> > > >-->Jim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:44:05 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: [db] stuck again... neighbor came over with his backhoe, we were able to get the jimmy out after unhitching the trailer, then we moved the trailer with the backhoe... but not close enough to the hole... so I'm out there tossing rocks... anyone like tossing rocks? come on over... :) I REALLY need another Jeep. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:04:47 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] popcorn? do they still have that old truck? :) john On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->I saw REO *FIVE* times when I was a "young man" ;) >-->Now my daughter is a big REO fan so I'm going to take her to see them >-->this summer. They ALWAYS cruise thru here and hit the county fair >-->circuit. Should be a great time! ;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> >-->> >-->> I got to see Styx, REO Speedwagon and Chicago at my >-->> high school in the '70's... growing up in the greater >-->> Chicago area did have it's benefits. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> after 30 years I just found out my wife actually likes Emerson, >-->> >-->> Lake and Palmer... had the cd in my benz and she didn't shut it off >-->> >-->> as she usually does with most of my music... :) amazing... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >--> >-->> >-->My wife SAW Emerson, Lake and Palmer!! ;) That was before we were >-->> >-->married. Then I took her to see Emerson, Lake and Powell. Just as >-->> >-->good ;) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1779 **********************************