Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1876 From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:37:55 +0000 To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, June 29 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1876 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] heading to Amsterdam... Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! RE: [db] best source for service manual and spare key? Re: [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1873 [db] oil temperature gauge for a 190D 2.5 Re: [db] oil temperature gauge for a 190D 2.5 Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! [db] OT: 82 westy diesel f/s in fresno, ca (not mine) [db] R134 a Re: [db] R134 a Fw: [db] R134 a Re: [db] R134 a Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:33:18 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] heading to Amsterdam... Hey, anyone over in Europe? I'm flying into Amsterdam this weekend, will have Sunday if I can stay awake. Was thinking about driving down to Frankfurt, but already saw what I wanted to see on the web and not sure I want to make the 4 hr one way drive down there... although I wouldn't mind going a little further and driving through Worms and back up the other side of the Rhine. Would also like to see what happened to the Kasernes in Darmstadt. (They turned the IG Farben Building into a University!) Anyway, I know there was a list member in Nederland and another in Belgium. My server is off line right now so I don't have their email addresses (have them saved in Pine). I fly back home on Wednesday. I have a server install to do on Monday and may take part of the day on Tuesday. I know there is someone also in Luxemborg, but again, I don't have his email address at this point... :( Unless wagoneers.com comes back on line before I leave... FWIW, I am renting a car. :) I'll be just south of Amsterdam in Amstelveen. auf weiterschnitzel... john meister ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:29:58 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! >> Well, a stock powerchoke has that built in - EGTs are monitored by the >> ECU, and fuel is removed if it gets too hot. Is fuel not added when it gets too hot? I thought an engine that's running rich has cooler EGT's than a lean one... no? Steve >>Unsurprisingly, this is >> often disabled by chips, but I don't know if that is a function of the >> multiplier in the chip, the chip knowingly doing that, or the ECU disabling >> it as a function of being chipped. >> >> K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 07:01:34 -0500 From: "Clark, Carl F" Subject: RE: [db] best source for service manual and spare key? >>>>*** You can get a brass key cut at the locksmith. The real Mercedes keys are sterner stuff, and the locksmiths don't cut them. Hard on their equipment. - Jerry<< I'd concur with this...my locksmith told me that the M-B keys are steel as opposed to brass...he made me a couple of brass extras from my new steel M-B key, and suggested I store the original in a safe place and use the brass keys every day. - --Carl Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:40:58 -0400 From: "Eurowerks" Subject: Re: [db] RE: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1873 Anyone need any 123 parts before I scrap the three cars that I have? All three are diesel's, but a 123 is a 123. Let me know....only two days left... Kirk A. Gilchrist EURO-WERKS / Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volvo Service and Repair 8 South Highland St. / Winchester, KY 40391 / 859-745-0125 eurowerks-at-qx.net / 888-522-0271 toll free ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:19:22 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] oil temperature gauge for a 190D 2.5 Hi, Recently I installed VDO oil temp. and voltage gauges into my car. I always knew that it takes quite some time before the engine oil reaches the normal operating temperature. In general would say it takes about 2 1/2 times longer for the oil to reach the normal operating than the coolant. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:54:18 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: Re: [db] oil temperature gauge for a 190D 2.5 that's cool, no pun intended. Just shows how important the oil system is on these engines. that also qualifies some of the stories I've heard from amsoil customers about how their engines were saved when they lost a radiator or such, the amsoil synthetic kept the engine from frying because of it's higher temperature capability. john >> Hi, >> Recently I installed VDO oil temp. and voltage gauges into my car. I always >> knew that it takes quite some time before the engine oil reaches the normal >> operating temperature. >> In general would say it takes about 2 1/2 times longer for the oil to reach >> the normal operating than the coolant. >> Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:49:29 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:29:58AM +0100, Stephen Rigley wrote: >>> > Well, a stock powerchoke has that built in - EGTs are monitored by the >>> > ECU, and fuel is removed if it gets too hot. > >> >> Is fuel not added when it gets too hot? I thought an engine that's >> running rich has cooler EGT's than a lean one... no? >> Steve Diesels are backwards from gassers. Gassers have an abundance of fuel, and air is added or restricted to increase or reduce power. Diesels have an abundance of air, and add or restrict fuel it increase or reduce power. In a gasser, a lean condition will cause higher exhaust temperatures, and a rich condition will not cause higher exhaust temperatures. In a diesel, a rich condition will cause higher exhaust temperatures (especially at lower engine speeds), whereas a lean condition will not cause higher exhaust temperatures. K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:16:19 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! And of course this is just another reminder not to call the right-hand pedal of a diesel the "throttle." It don't throttle nuthin', unlike the corresponding pedal in a gasser. It should always be the "accelerator," or some mutation of that spelling. ;-) Alec Quoting Kevin : >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 10:29:58AM +0100, Stephen Rigley wrote: > >>>> > > Well, a stock powerchoke has that built in - EGTs are monitored by the >>>> > > ECU, and fuel is removed if it gets too hot. >> >>> > >>> > Is fuel not added when it gets too hot? I thought an engine that's >>> > running rich has cooler EGT's than a lean one... no? >>> > Steve > >> >> Diesels are backwards from gassers. Gassers have an abundance of fuel, >> and air is added or restricted to increase or reduce power. Diesels have >> an abundance of air, and add or restrict fuel it increase or reduce power. >> >> In a gasser, a lean condition will cause higher exhaust temperatures, and >> a rich condition will not cause higher exhaust temperatures. In a diesel, >> a rich condition will cause higher exhaust temperatures (especially at >> lower engine speeds), whereas a lean condition will not cause higher >> exhaust temperatures. >> >> K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:25:37 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 02:16:19PM -0500, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >> And of course this is just another reminder not to call the right-hand pedal >> of a diesel the "throttle." It don't throttle nuthin', unlike the >> corresponding pedal in a gasser. It should always be the "accelerator," or >> some mutation of that spelling. ;-) Though one could argue that it is probably incorrect to call it an 'accelerator' in a 200D, 220D, or 240D with automatic :) K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:42:54 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Actually, up to about 30-35 mph, I often beat lots of other cars in highway merges, from stoplights, etc. with my '76 240D. Or perhaps that just says something about the drivers and me. :) What's sad is when I start to pull ahead of folks on the highway! (My 240D has seemed extra perky lately... not sure why. It's been this way since I did 85+ on I-405 a few times. Maybe that cleared something. Or maybe it is happy that it may have an older sibling soon. Now that I think about it, it began having problems soon after we got the ML. Maybe it is happy we're planning to sell the ML...) - -bkc On Tue Jun 28, 2005, Kevin wrote: >> >> Though one could argue that it is probably incorrect to call it an >> 'accelerator' in a 200D, 220D, or 240D with automatic :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:08:18 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: [db] OT: 82 westy diesel f/s in fresno, ca (not mine) I know some of you guys are into these, so here's one with a new head, but chipped piston and scored cylinder wall. Pictures make it look like a nice van in good condition, other than it not running. http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/car/81434733.html K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:46:25 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] R134 a Hello, have be advised that in Canada R134 a is sold only to licensed people/companies. Wondering whether R134a is still being sold to the public in the States. Thanks in advance for some help. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:30:12 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] R134 a Quoting wmpless : >> Hello, >> have be advised that in Canada R134 a is sold only to licensed >> people/companies. Wondering whether R134a is still being sold to the public >> in >> the States. Thanks in advance for some help. Wiard >> >> Just bought some at WalMart here in Texas in a conversion kit to try to bring any signs of life back to the A/C in mine. This will also make it cheaper to live with leaks than to fix them. One can of plain R134a was around $7. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 188K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:08:12 -0400 From: "wmpless" Subject: Fw: [db] R134 a - ----- Original Message ----- From: "wmpless" To: "Eric Ditwiler" Cc: "Alec Cordova" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [db] R134 a >> Hello Eric and Alec, >> Thanks for prompt advice. Wal-Mart in Ontario does not carry these kits. >> Will make a trip to Buffalo, NY but only after the the 4th of July. Cheers W >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eric Ditwiler" >> To: "wmpless" >> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [db] R134 a >> >> > >>> > In every walmart and autozone >>> > >>> > Eric Ditwiler >>> > Associate Dean for Planning, Institutional Research, and Assessment >>> > Harvey Mudd College >>> > 301 E. 12 Street, Claremont, CA 91711 >>> > >>> > 909-607-3134 >>> > On Jun 28, 2005, at 2:46 PM, wmpless wrote: >>> > >> >>>> > > Hello, >>>> > > have be advised that in Canada R134 a is sold only to licensed >>>> > > people/companies. Wondering whether R134a is still being sold to the >>>> > > public in >>>> > > the States. Thanks in advance for some help. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:57:13 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] R134 a yes, cheaply too... know anyone up in BC? I'll smuggle some across the border for you and they can ship it to you... for a slight fee... a smuggler's fee... :) (just kidding about the fee) john wmpless wrote: >> Hello, >> have be advised that in Canada R134 a is sold only to licensed >> people/companies. Wondering whether R134a is still being sold to the public in >> the States. Thanks in advance for some help. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:29:08 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! older or younger? shadowfax is younger... ;) rofl... drove the WJ to Seatac tonight to pickup our daughter... the Benz sure rides nicer... but it's nice sitting up above traffic... john Bruce Caruthers wrote: >> Actually, up to about 30-35 mph, I often beat lots >> of other cars in highway merges, from stoplights, >> etc. with my '76 240D. >> >> Or perhaps that just says something about the >> drivers and me. :) >> >> What's sad is when I start to pull ahead of folks >> on the highway! >> >> (My 240D has seemed extra perky lately... not sure >> why. It's been this way since I did 85+ on I-405 >> a few times. Maybe that cleared something. Or >> maybe it is happy that it may have an older sibling >> soon. Now that I think about it, it began having >> problems soon after we got the ML. Maybe it is >> happy we're planning to sell the ML...) >> >> -bkc >> >> On Tue Jun 28, 2005, Kevin wrote: >> > >>>>Though one could argue that it is probably incorrect to call it an >>>>'accelerator' in a 200D, 220D, or 240D with automatic :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:37:37 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] 300SD...going for it! Oops. Yeah, younger sibling. :) (Hey, math is why I dropped out of an astrophysics major in college, after all!) - -bkc On Tue Jun 28, 2005, john meister wrote: >> >> older or younger? shadowfax is younger... ;) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1876 **********************************