Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #1883 From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:33:15 +0000 To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, July 6 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1883 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam exchange rates (was: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam) [db] UH oh ........????? [db] Re: exchange rates Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:48:20 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam I did the math on my Treo 650 sitting in the airport in Amsterdam. Just sync'd with my laptop: (1 euro = $0.83, 1 gallon = 3.785412 liters) location reg v-pwr diesel v-pwr diesel amsterdam l 1.305 1.354 0.999 1.069 euro/gal 4.93996266 5.125447848 3.781626588 4.046605428 euro to $ 0.83 $4.10 $4.25 $3.14 $3.36 snohomish $2.59 $2.69 $2.45 $2.45 difference $1.51 $1.56 $0.69 $0.91 We know that the Europeans heavily tax their fuel to encourage fuel economy and to fund their SOCIALISM, Kevin, it's SOCIALISM, not communism. The europeans do not like communism, but love socialism. And on the surface it seems pretty well done, good medical coverage, excellent public transportation, yada, yada... But they are able to do such things because they are dealing with lesser geographical expanses and an infrastructure that has been built over many hundreds of years by others before them. They pay high prices for most everything as a matter of course. They typically live in small places on little land. I've lived like that for five years over there, it's quite pleasant, comfortable and you get used to it, for the most part. The Europeans love their country walks and woods and have many areas to visit like that. It is very beautiful over there, but I'm very happy to be here in Washington. :) I was quite disappointed that I was not able to rent a Diesel though... they gave me a Ford Mondeo. I nice car with the turning radius of a school bus and a feeling of the steering almost as bad as a Ford Taurus. Not sure of fuel economy because I didn't drive very much... I came home a day early so I didn't head over to Germany to look for used parts. Had enough challenges getting through customs anyway because of the fact that my tickets were purchased very close to my travel date and I was only there two days. (felt much, much longer. ;) Trying to explain that I was there to configure a Solaris server installation at an office in Amstelveen so they could ship it to Zurich after sitting on a plane for 10 hrs was a bit of a challenge though. Thankfully I had my business cards with me and once they saw in plain text that I was a UNIX Systems Administrator working for a large company they would then say something like, oh, you're an IT guy. That I work in a software development group apart from IT would be lost on most of these folks so I just said yeah. :) I did get to meet a lot of nice Customs people on both legs of the trip though, they pulled me aside on both sides of the pond. Must have been the duct tape and FSJ stickers on my luggage, eh? :) In Amsterdam I noticed that one of the security guards had a very cool carbine. I asked him what it was and the clown said it was his weapon. I said I know it's a weapon, what kind! To which he finally replied that it was an MP5. Really nice looking, kind of a cross between an M16 and a few other carbines, barrel reminded me of an AK47. Very compact and clean looking. Hey, it comes in .40 S&W... :) http://www.hkpro.com/MP5-10.htm http://www.hkpro.com/mp5.htm My Diesel transfer pump showed up, need to get some fittings to adapt it to my filter setup. Need to see if the Jimmy is done... also found a free Wagoneers and J10... actually two free Wagoneers... I'm purposely dragging my feet on following up though... still have these two XJ's to fix and sell. :) john Kevin wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:05:36AM +0000, dieseljohn-at-comcast.net wrote: >> > >>>>regular 1.305 Euro per liter >>>>v-power 1.354 Euro per liter >>>>diesel .999 Euro per liter >>>>v-power Diesel 1.069 per liter >>>> >>>>there are 3.785412 liters in a gallon. >>>> >>>>When I tanked up before leaving Diesel (v-power supposedly) >>>>I paid $2.46/gallon. Regular unleaded was around the same or >>>>$2.59, I think... >>>> >>>>quick look at the math for Diesel, it's 5.13 Euros per liter here... >>>>now, what's a euro in dollars? (no time, got a plane to catch...) >>>> >>>>I'm not sure what the exchange rate is here, I've been using >>>>my American Express card and haven't touched a single Euro. It's >>>>close to one to one from what I gather. And things are quite expensive >>>>here in Amsterdam because of the conversion to Euros. Seems that >>>>when they made the change they said they wouldn't raise the prices >>>>that had existed in Gilder to Euros. But within a year it happened. >>>>So items that were priced reasonably in Gilders before are now expensive >>>>in Euros. Funny how that worked. :) > >> >> Do not forget that Europe commonly taxes the snot out of gasoline to >> fund things not necessarily related to cars. Some right wing americans >> would say they were funding communism, but it's probably more like >> socialism than anything. Anyways, that is a large portion of the discrepancy. >> >> I'm told that stripping the taxes out of the fuel in europe and stripping >> the fuel taxes stateside gives a fairly similar price per liter or gallon. >> >> K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:13:25 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam I think you got the Dollars to Euros ratio backwards. One Euro should be about 1.19 US Dollars, so the price per gallon should INCREASE when converting from Euros to Dollars. Still, impressive for doing all of this on a PDA. ;-) Alec Quoting john meister : >> I did the math on my Treo 650 sitting in the airport in Amsterdam. Just >> sync'd with my laptop: (1 euro = $0.83, 1 gallon = 3.785412 liters) >> >> location reg v-pwr diesel v-pwr diesel >> >> amsterdam l 1.305 1.354 0.999 1.069 >> euro/gal 4.93996266 5.125447848 3.781626588 4.046605428 >> >> euro to $ 0.83 $4.10 $4.25 $3.14 $3.36 >> >> snohomish $2.59 $2.69 $2.45 $2.45 >> >> difference $1.51 $1.56 $0.69 $0.91 >> >> >> We know that the Europeans heavily tax their fuel to encourage fuel >> economy and >> to fund their SOCIALISM, Kevin, it's SOCIALISM, not communism. The >> europeans >> do not like communism, but love socialism. And on the surface it seems >> pretty >> well done, good medical coverage, excellent public transportation, yada, >> yada... >> But they are able to do such things because they are dealing with lesser >> geographical >> expanses and an infrastructure that has been built over many hundreds of >> years by others before >> them. They pay high prices for most everything as a matter of course. >> They >> typically live in small places on little land. I've lived like that for >> five years over >> there, it's quite pleasant, comfortable and you get used to it, for the >> most part. >> The Europeans love their country walks and woods and have many areas to >> visit like that. It is very beautiful over there, but I'm very happy to be >> here in Washington. :) >> >> >> I was quite disappointed that I was not able to rent a Diesel though... >> they gave >> me a Ford Mondeo. I nice car with the turning radius of a school bus and >> a feeling of the steering almost as bad as a Ford Taurus. Not sure of >> fuel >> economy because I didn't drive very much... >> >> I came home a day early so I didn't head over to Germany to look for used >> parts. Had >> enough challenges getting through customs anyway because of the fact >> that my tickets were purchased very close to my travel date and I was >> only there two days. (felt much, much longer. ;) Trying to explain that >> I >> was there to configure a Solaris server installation at an office in >> Amstelveen >> so they could ship it to Zurich after sitting on a plane for 10 hrs was a >> bit >> of a challenge though. Thankfully I had my business cards with me and >> once >> they saw in plain text that I was a UNIX Systems Administrator working for >> a >> large company they would then say something like, oh, you're an IT guy. >> That I work in a >> software development group apart from IT would be lost on most of these >> folks so I just said yeah. :) I did get to meet a lot of nice Customs >> people on >> both legs of the trip though, they pulled me aside on both sides of the >> pond. Must >> have been the duct tape and FSJ stickers on my luggage, eh? :) >> >> In Amsterdam I noticed that one of the security guards had a very cool >> carbine. >> I asked him what it was and the clown said it was his >> weapon. I said I know it's a weapon, what kind! To which he finally >> replied that >> it was an MP5. Really nice looking, kind of a cross between an M16 and a >> few >> other carbines, barrel reminded me of an AK47. Very compact and clean >> looking. >> Hey, it comes in .40 S&W... :) http://www.hkpro.com/MP5-10.htm >> http://www.hkpro.com/mp5.htm >> >> My Diesel transfer pump showed up, need to get some fittings to adapt it to >> my filter setup. Need >> to see if the Jimmy is done... also found a free Wagoneers and J10... >> actually two free Wagoneers... >> I'm purposely dragging my feet on following up though... still have these >> two XJ's to fix and sell. :) >> >> john >> >> Kevin wrote: > >>> > On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:05:36AM +0000, dieseljohn-at-comcast.net wrote: >>> > >> >>>> >>regular 1.305 Euro per liter >>>> >>v-power 1.354 Euro per liter >>>> >>diesel .999 Euro per liter >>>> >>v-power Diesel 1.069 per liter >>>> >> >>>> >>there are 3.785412 liters in a gallon. >>>> >> >>>> >>When I tanked up before leaving Diesel (v-power supposedly) >>>> >>I paid $2.46/gallon. Regular unleaded was around the same or >>>> >>$2.59, I think... >>>> >> >>>> >>quick look at the math for Diesel, it's 5.13 Euros per liter here... >>>> >>now, what's a euro in dollars? (no time, got a plane to catch...) >>>> >> >>>> >>I'm not sure what the exchange rate is here, I've been using >>>> >>my American Express card and haven't touched a single Euro. It's >>>> >>close to one to one from what I gather. And things are quite expensive >>>> >>here in Amsterdam because of the conversion to Euros. Seems that >>>> >>when they made the change they said they wouldn't raise the prices >>>> >>that had existed in Gilder to Euros. But within a year it happened. >>>> >>So items that were priced reasonably in Gilders before are now expensive >>>> >>in Euros. Funny how that worked. :) >> >>> > >>> > Do not forget that Europe commonly taxes the snot out of gasoline to >>> > fund things not necessarily related to cars. Some right wing americans >>> > would say they were funding communism, but it's probably more like >>> > socialism than anything. Anyways, that is a large portion of the > >> discrepancy. > >>> > >>> > I'm told that stripping the taxes out of the fuel in europe and stripping > >> > >>> > the fuel taxes stateside gives a fairly similar price per liter or > >> gallon. > >>> > >>> > K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 13:27:33 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam no, I got it right. the dollar is stronger than the Euro, so one euro is .83 of a dollar. Of course that is the rate at the hotel, you can do better at the bank. :) PalmOS is quite sophisticated. I can create and edit microsoft excel, powerpoint and word docs on any of the Palm systems. The Treo650 is pretty nice, much faster than my Kyocera 7135, and perhaps faster than my older Sony Clie. Another nice thing about PalmOS... no blue screens of death, no virus worries and if I can ever figure it out, can sync with my Linux systems. ;) john acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >> I think you got the Dollars to Euros ratio backwards. One Euro should be >> about >> 1.19 US Dollars, so the price per gallon should INCREASE when converting from >> Euros to Dollars. >> >> Still, impressive for doing all of this on a PDA. ;-) >> >> Alec >> >> Quoting john meister : >> >> > >>>>I did the math on my Treo 650 sitting in the airport in Amsterdam. Just >>>>sync'd with my laptop: (1 euro = $0.83, 1 gallon = 3.785412 liters) >>>> >>>>location reg v-pwr diesel v-pwr diesel >>>> >>>>amsterdam l 1.305 1.354 0.999 1.069 >>>>euro/gal 4.93996266 5.125447848 3.781626588 4.046605428 >>>> >>>>euro to $ 0.83 $4.10 $4.25 $3.14 $3.36 >>>> >>>>snohomish $2.59 $2.69 $2.45 $2.45 >>>> >>>>difference $1.51 $1.56 $0.69 $0.91 >>>> >>>> >>>> We know that the Europeans heavily tax their fuel to encourage fuel >>>>economy and >>>>to fund their SOCIALISM, Kevin, it's SOCIALISM, not communism. The >>>>europeans >>>>do not like communism, but love socialism. And on the surface it seems >>>>pretty >>>>well done, good medical coverage, excellent public transportation, yada, >>>>yada... >>>>But they are able to do such things because they are dealing with lesser >>>>geographical >>>>expanses and an infrastructure that has been built over many hundreds of >>>>years by others before >>>>them. They pay high prices for most everything as a matter of course. >>>>They >>>>typically live in small places on little land. I've lived like that for >>>>five years over >>>>there, it's quite pleasant, comfortable and you get used to it, for the >>>>most part. >>>>The Europeans love their country walks and woods and have many areas to >>>>visit like that. It is very beautiful over there, but I'm very happy to be >>>>here in Washington. :) >>>> >>>> >>>>I was quite disappointed that I was not able to rent a Diesel though... >>>>they gave >>>>me a Ford Mondeo. I nice car with the turning radius of a school bus and >>>>a feeling of the steering almost as bad as a Ford Taurus. Not sure of >>>>fuel >>>>economy because I didn't drive very much... >>>> >>>> I came home a day early so I didn't head over to Germany to look for used >>>>parts. Had >>>>enough challenges getting through customs anyway because of the fact >>>>that my tickets were purchased very close to my travel date and I was >>>>only there two days. (felt much, much longer. ;) Trying to explain that >>>>I >>>>was there to configure a Solaris server installation at an office in >>>>Amstelveen >>>>so they could ship it to Zurich after sitting on a plane for 10 hrs was a >>>>bit >>>>of a challenge though. Thankfully I had my business cards with me and >>>>once >>>>they saw in plain text that I was a UNIX Systems Administrator working for >>>>a >>>>large company they would then say something like, oh, you're an IT guy. >>>>That I work in a >>>>software development group apart from IT would be lost on most of these >>>>folks so I just said yeah. :) I did get to meet a lot of nice Customs >>>>people on >>>>both legs of the trip though, they pulled me aside on both sides of the >>>>pond. Must >>>>have been the duct tape and FSJ stickers on my luggage, eh? :) >>>> >>>>In Amsterdam I noticed that one of the security guards had a very cool >>>>carbine. >>>>I asked him what it was and the clown said it was his >>>>weapon. I said I know it's a weapon, what kind! To which he finally >>>>replied that >>>>it was an MP5. Really nice looking, kind of a cross between an M16 and a >>>>few >>>>other carbines, barrel reminded me of an AK47. Very compact and clean >>>>looking. >>>>Hey, it comes in .40 S&W... :) http://www.hkpro.com/MP5-10.htm >>>>http://www.hkpro.com/mp5.htm >>>> >>>>My Diesel transfer pump showed up, need to get some fittings to adapt it to >>>>my filter setup. Need >>>>to see if the Jimmy is done... also found a free Wagoneers and J10... >>>>actually two free Wagoneers... >>>>I'm purposely dragging my feet on following up though... still have these >>>>two XJ's to fix and sell. :) >>>> >>>>john >>>> >>>>Kevin wrote: >>>> >> >>>>>>On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:05:36AM +0000, dieseljohn-at-comcast.net wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>regular 1.305 Euro per liter >>>>>>>>v-power 1.354 Euro per liter >>>>>>>>diesel .999 Euro per liter >>>>>>>>v-power Diesel 1.069 per liter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>there are 3.785412 liters in a gallon. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When I tanked up before leaving Diesel (v-power supposedly) >>>>>>>>I paid $2.46/gallon. Regular unleaded was around the same or >>>>>>>>$2.59, I think... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>quick look at the math for Diesel, it's 5.13 Euros per liter here... >>>>>>>>now, what's a euro in dollars? (no time, got a plane to catch...) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm not sure what the exchange rate is here, I've been using >>>>>>>>my American Express card and haven't touched a single Euro. It's >>>>>>>>close to one to one from what I gather. And things are quite expensive >>>>>>>>here in Amsterdam because of the conversion to Euros. Seems that >>>>>>>>when they made the change they said they wouldn't raise the prices >>>>>>>>that had existed in Gilder to Euros. But within a year it happened. >>>>>>>>So items that were priced reasonably in Gilders before are now expensive >>>>>>>>in Euros. Funny how that worked. :) >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do not forget that Europe commonly taxes the snot out of gasoline to >>>>>>fund things not necessarily related to cars. Some right wing americans >>>>>>would say they were funding communism, but it's probably more like >>>>>>socialism than anything. Anyways, that is a large portion of the >> >>>> >>>>discrepancy. >>>> >> >>>>>>I'm told that stripping the taxes out of the fuel in europe and stripping >> >>>> >> >>>>>>the fuel taxes stateside gives a fairly similar price per liter or >> >>>> >>>>gallon. >>>> >> >>>>>>K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:05:50 +0100 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam Yup, I love 'em too, I got one just last year. I mostly use it to tune and datalog from the programmable ECU I have in the Roadster, I use this software : http://www.oz.net/~mrhoten/cars/miata/datalogger.html Pretty nifty little gadget. Steve >> PalmOS is quite sophisticated. I can create and edit microsoft excel, powerpoint and word >> docs on any of the Palm systems. The Treo650 is pretty nice, much faster than my Kyocera 7135, >> and perhaps faster than my older Sony Clie. >> >> Another nice thing about PalmOS... no blue screens of death, no virus worries and if I can >> ever figure it out, can sync with my Linux systems. ;) >> >> john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "ernest breakfield" Subject: exchange rates (was: Re: [db] fuel prices in Amsterdam) actually, sadly, no, you didn't,... you got it almost exactly backwards. ;-( according to the latest data i found, USD$1 will only get you 0.839067 Euros. see: http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/graph120.html cheers! e >> no, I got it right. the dollar is stronger than the Euro, so one euro is >> .83 of a dollar. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:32:04 -0700 From: Noah Dentzel Subject: [db] UH oh ........????? I was driving today, and I noticed something very unfortunate in my 300D :( can anyone please help. The odometer stopped working, it just stopped rolling today, both the regular and the trip. The regular is at 96669 miles and is not changing ahhhhh, please help. Thanks, Sincerely - -Noah Dentzel S.B. California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 16:32:55 -0700 From: john meister Subject: [db] Re: exchange rates 2005-07-04 Monday, July 4 1.1957 USD dang, you're right ernest. (alec you too. ;) Wow, that trip cost way more than I thought then... the hotel was 135 Euros a night, the rental car over 95 euro's a day... a lame chinese dinner (only restuarant I could find open at 8pm on Monday) was about 25 Euros. I can hardly wait to do my expense report. :) ok, rerunning the numbers: location reg v-pwr diesel v-pwr diesel amsterdam l 1.305 1.354 0.999 1.069 euro/gal 4.93996266 5.125447848 3.781626588 4.046605428 euro to $ 1.1957 $5.91 $6.13 $4.52 $4.84 snohomish $2.59 $2.69 $2.45 $2.45 difference $3.32 $3.44 $2.07 $2.39 ernest breakfield wrote: >> actually, sadly, no, you didn't,... you got it almost exactly backwards. >> ;-( > >>> > according to the latest data i found, USD$1 will only get you 0.839067 > >> Euros. > >> see: http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/graph120.html >> cheers! >> e >> > >>> >no, I got it right. the dollar is stronger than the Euro, so one euro is >>>>.83 of a dollar. > >> [snip] ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1883 **********************************