From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Aug 8 21:15:26 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 9 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1912 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] I bought one Re: [db] I bought one Re: [db] I bought one RE: [db] I bought one Re: [db] One SICK kitty! Re: [db] fan on the 124 RE: [db] fan on the 124 Re: [db] One SICK kitty! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:01:38 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: [db] I bought one Just won a 83 300D turbo on ebay that is close to me. I am going to pick it up tonight. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4566084370&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT It is not perfect so I wil be asking lots of questions here for repair help. The current owner has been driving it daily. I think I got a fair price considering the plans are to convert it to veggie. Also I found this veggie kit supplier in Seattle. www.frybrid.com Looks to be an excellent product, but alittle to much for me. I am going to use his design with the fuel return back to the tank. Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:24:45 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] I bought one Looks like a fine choice for veggie work. A/C, cruise, tach, odometer, and some power windows currently dead, but those aren't unusual at 240K, nor are they essential. The motor and tranny are probably still in quite serviceable condition with plenty of good life left. If you're comfortable with enough tinkering to run WVO with a return to the tank, there won't be much on that car that you can't fix yourself. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 190K Quoting Allen Zylstra : > Just won a 83 300D turbo on ebay that is close to me. I am going to pick > it up tonight. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=45660843 70&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT > It is not perfect so I wil be asking lots of questions here for repair > help. The current owner has been driving it daily. I think I got a fair > price considering the plans are to convert it to veggie. Also I found > this veggie kit supplier in Seattle. www.frybrid.com Looks to be an > excellent product, but alittle to much for me. I am going to use his > design with the fuel return back to the tank. Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:28:21 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] I bought one I have been tinkering all my life and making stuff work. I see plenty of parts on ebay and in the junkyards. The first items of business will have to be the drivers window and the odometer so I can track miles. Since summer is almost over I will pass on the ac until spring unless it is a simple fix. I have a friend that I carpool with so we are going to be splitting the expense on this and using it for carpooling. I am guessing the windows to be switches or motors, but at $600 I think I got a deal. Allen >From: acordova-at-texas.net >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: [db] I bought one >Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:24:45 -0500 > >Looks like a fine choice for veggie work. A/C, cruise, tach, odometer, and >some power windows currently dead, but those aren't unusual at 240K, nor are >they essential. The motor and tranny are probably still in quite serviceable >condition with plenty of good life left. > >If you're comfortable with enough tinkering to run WVO with a return to the >tank, there won't be much on that car that you can't fix yourself. > >Alec Cordova >Taylor, Texas >89 300CE, 190K > >Quoting Allen Zylstra : > > > Just won a 83 300D turbo on ebay that is close to me. I am going to pick > > it up tonight. > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=45660843 >70&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT > > It is not perfect so I wil be asking lots of questions here for repair > > help. The current owner has been driving it daily. I think I got a fair > > price considering the plans are to convert it to veggie. Also I found > > this veggie kit supplier in Seattle. www.frybrid.com Looks to be an > > excellent product, but alittle to much for me. I am going to use his > > design with the fuel return back to the tank. Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:46:28 -0400 From: "Cool" Subject: RE: [db] I bought one Allen Zylstra said: "Since summer is almost over..." Shhhh..... don't remind me. Congrats on the car... sounds like you got a good one for the money! FredP - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Allen Zylstra Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:28 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] I bought one I have been tinkering all my life and making stuff work. I see plenty of parts on ebay and in the junkyards. The first items of business will have to be the drivers window and the odometer so I can track miles. Since summer is almost over I will pass on the ac until spring unless it is a simple fix. I have a friend that I carpool with so we are going to be splitting the expense on this and using it for carpooling. I am guessing the windows to be switches or motors, but at $600 I think I got a deal. Allen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:49:06 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] One SICK kitty! On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 09:34:32PM -0400, Jason R Bassett wrote: > The head gasket was perfect, and needed nothing. However, all of our > worst fears were realized^W#2 threw the piston rings. There are pieces of > mangled ring all over the top of the piston, the walls are scored > somewhat, and to complete the grisly scene, there's a hole burned right > down the side of the piston. I was too sickened and stunned to think > coherently for a few minutes. I nearly threw in the towel. If it was my car, I'd source a used running engine and install it. A good runner has a seemingly high probability of outlasting most -rebuilds-, unless you go through and do everything the factory does (or buy a factory reman). The last scored cylinder I saw was in an Izusu NPR, and the cylinder liner was replaced, as Izusu sells the barrel (sleeve, piston, rings) as a unit. Good thing, that, since use of a set of calipers showed the cylinder picked up a fair amount of wear, and the rings had no prayer of sealing well. On that truck, it would have been a better idea to get a reman engine and start over (since it needed a head too), but since the head was done first... If one cylinder did that, the other cylinders likely have wear as well, though probably not to the degree of the second cylinder. Repairing just one cylinder correctly (new sleeve, piston, rings, etc) ensures that the cylinder won't be the problem, but doesn't guarantee that #3 won't give up the ghost two weeks later. Don't slap a piston in without changing the sleeve, odds are that you're wasting your time and a head set. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:09:14 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] fan on the 124 Hoboyohboyohboy....PLEASE continue to post your info on that fan extraction for the 124. I have to put in a new A/C exchanger or at least find out HOW to find the leak and fix it in there. All I know is it is somewhere inside that dash assembly in front of the fan. Freon came out BOTH inside the car vents and outside where the intake vent is (yeah, below all the monowiper plastic). Edward acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >You're gonna want to find time to read it before attacking a W124 blower. >IIRC, the CD doesn't describe how to remove the plastic grate over the vent >air intake, but I think it's covered in the writeup inclulded with Steve's >index. > >You have to remove the windshield wiper and access the blower from there. > >Alec > >Quoting john : > > > >>I've got the 124 CD... but what? you think I have >>time to read a manual? ;) >> >>john >> >>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >> >> >> >>>-->The blower on a W124 isn't as bad as that legendary beast in the older >>> >>> >>ones, >> >> >>>-->was it the W108 or the W114 that basically required you to cut through >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>-->firewall to reach the heater blower? >>>--> >>>-->But it's world's apart from the simplicity of a W123. Expect almost two >>> >>> >>hours >> >> >>>-->to get the old one out, plus a couple of broken plastic parts, then a >>> >>> >>little >> >> >>>-->less to get it back in. >>>--> >>>-->If no one else does it by the time I get back home, I can send you some >>> >>> >>info >> >> >>>-->from the CD. Or do you already have the W124 CD set? Steve Nervig's >>>-->replacement index for the CDs also includes a writeup on replacing the >>> >>> >>blower. >> >> >>>--> >>>-->Alec >>>--> >>>-->Quoting john : >>>--> >>>-->> Ok, looks like shadowfax's fan has given up the ghost... >>>-->> >>>-->> I've done the fan on the 123 and 126... what's it going to >>>-->> be like on the 124???? '91 300D with the 2.5L TD.... >>>-->> >>>-->> I may just drop the price and sell it... ;) too many other repair >>>-->> tasks right now... rofl... >>>-->> >>>-->> haven't even unpacked yet from Japan... >>>-->> >>>-->> Just put 10 gallons of Veggie oil in the Jimmy and took the >>>-->> top off... drove it around a bit, this thing needs some tlc... tires >>>-->> are terrible... got the radio working... needs paint... >>>-->> >>>-->> the 240D sits there, I've opened the hood a few times, starting to do >>> >>> >>>-->> something and get sent off somewhere, you know, Tokyo, Taco Bell... >>> >>> >>never >> >> >>>-->> have a few minutes to play with it. >>>-->> >>>-->> >>>-->> Anyway, how bad will this fan be??? >>>-->> >>>-->> >>>-->> >>>-->> john >>>-->> >>>-->> ---- >>>-->> >>>-->> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>>-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >>> >>> >>** >> >> >>>-->> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>-->> >>>-->> >>>--> >>>--> >>>--> >>>--> >>> >>> >> ---- >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:20:23 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] fan on the 124 Here's the extra writeup. Looks like it was from a mailing list or newsgroup. Blower Motor Removal and Installation by Ian Read Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:46:35 -0500 (EST) Here is the process that I followed since I could not find the instructions on the CD. Note all fastener lengths and locations, they are all different. 1. Remove the arm cover and hex screw from the wiper arm 2. Remove the two rubber strips from each side of the lower windshield by pulling them straight out. 3. Pull off the rubber weather-stripping that runs right across the inner firewall area. 4. Remove the top outer left and right plastic covers. Each are held in place in with two Philips head screws and are also joined to the top inner two covers with white plastic clips. Pull slowly to remove these fragile clips, ask me how I know. Remove the inner four Philips screws holding the inner top two covers down. 5. Remove the 4 screws holding the C shaped rubber grommet which is below the wiper arm mechanism 6. Pull off the engine side firewall weather-stripping. 7. Just below the weather-stripping there are 4 plastic fasteners which hold the sound insulation to the firewall, the inner two have a flower shape while the outer two are flat with two little holes. All four need to be loosened, the outer two will come right off. 8. After step 7 you can pull the insulation forward slightly and find two Phillips screws which hold the center plastic housing down. Remove these two screws. 9. Remove the upper left in right inner plastic covers. 10. The center grate cover should now come straight out. 11. The wiper assy has four 10mm nuts holding it in place, two are on the far right, and one each under the rotating center piece. Remove these nuts carefully and make sure you don't drop them like I did as they can fall into the center black hole which is not accessible. (MIA one hex screw.) I found a similar one holding the A/C pipe on the left side of the inner firewall near the fuse box which I used to replace the lost nut 12. Move the wiper assy to the right, It is not necessary to disconnect the power cable. 13. Remove the outside temp sensor from the blower motor cover. 14. Pry loose with fingers the blower motor harness on the left of the housing. 15. Unclip the 6-8 metal fasteners holding the blower motor cover down, a couple may require a small screw driver, but be careful again. Remove the cover. 16. Unplug the motor, and release the hold down strap using a pointed tool. 17. Oil bearings with ATF. Check brushes. As in Haynes (reassemble in reverse of above.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:09 PM > To: acordova-at-texas.net > Cc: john; diesel-benz list > Subject: Re: [db] fan on the 124 > > > Hoboyohboyohboy....PLEASE continue to post your info on that fan > extraction for the 124. > > I have to put in a new A/C exchanger or at least find out HOW to find > the leak and fix it in there. All I know is it is somewhere inside that > dash assembly in front of the fan. Freon came out BOTH inside the car > vents and outside where the intake vent is (yeah, below all the > monowiper plastic). > > Edward > > acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > >You're gonna want to find time to read it before attacking a W124 blower. > >IIRC, the CD doesn't describe how to remove the plastic grate > over the vent > >air intake, but I think it's covered in the writeup inclulded > with Steve's > >index. > > > >You have to remove the windshield wiper and access the blower from there. > > > >Alec > > > >Quoting john : > > > > > > > >>I've got the 124 CD... but what? you think I have > >>time to read a manual? ;) > >> > >>john > >> > >>On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>-->The blower on a W124 isn't as bad as that legendary beast > in the older > >>> > >>> > >>ones, > >> > >> > >>>-->was it the W108 or the W114 that basically required you to > cut through > >>> > >>> > >>the > >> > >> > >>>-->firewall to reach the heater blower? > >>>--> > >>>-->But it's world's apart from the simplicity of a W123. > Expect almost two > >>> > >>> > >>hours > >> > >> > >>>-->to get the old one out, plus a couple of broken plastic > parts, then a > >>> > >>> > >>little > >> > >> > >>>-->less to get it back in. > >>>--> > >>>-->If no one else does it by the time I get back home, I can > send you some > >>> > >>> > >>info > >> > >> > >>>-->from the CD. Or do you already have the W124 CD set? Steve Nervig's > >>>-->replacement index for the CDs also includes a writeup on > replacing the > >>> > >>> > >>blower. > >> > >> > >>>--> > >>>-->Alec > >>>--> > >>>-->Quoting john : > >>>--> > >>>-->> Ok, looks like shadowfax's fan has given up the ghost... > >>>-->> > >>>-->> I've done the fan on the 123 and 126... what's it going to > >>>-->> be like on the 124???? '91 300D with the 2.5L TD.... > >>>-->> > >>>-->> I may just drop the price and sell it... ;) too many other repair > >>>-->> tasks right now... rofl... > >>>-->> > >>>-->> haven't even unpacked yet from Japan... > >>>-->> > >>>-->> Just put 10 gallons of Veggie oil in the Jimmy and took the > >>>-->> top off... drove it around a bit, this thing needs some > tlc... tires > >>>-->> are terrible... got the radio working... needs paint... > >>>-->> > >>>-->> the 240D sits there, I've opened the hood a few times, > starting to do > >>> > >>> > >>>-->> something and get sent off somewhere, you know, Tokyo, > Taco Bell... > >>> > >>> > >>never > >> > >> > >>>-->> have a few minutes to play with it. > >>>-->> > >>>-->> > >>>-->> Anyway, how bad will this fan be??? > >>>-->> > >>>-->> > >>>-->> > >>>-->> john > >>>-->> > >>>-->> ---- > >>>-->> > >>>-->> > >>> > >>> > >>---------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > >> > >> > >>>-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >>>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > >>>-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >>> >>> >>** >> >> >>>-->> >>> >>> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>-->> >>>-->> >>>--> >>>--> >>>--> >>>--> >>> >>> >> ---- >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 82-0680.pdf] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of 83-140.pdf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:10:12 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: Re: [db] One SICK kitty! > If it was my car, I'd source a used running engine and install it. A > good > runner has a seemingly high probability of outlasting most > -rebuilds-, unless > you go through and do everything the factory does (or buy a factory > reman). I think I can get a like factory reman for about 2k less from Metric Motors ( www.mercedesengines.net ) > The last scored cylinder I saw was in an Izusu NPR, and the cylinder > liner > was replaced, as Izusu sells the barrel (sleeve, piston, rings) as a > unit. Good thing, that, since use of a set of calipers showed the > cylinder > picked up a fair amount of wear, and the rings had no prayer of > sealing > well. On that truck, it would have been a better idea to get a reman > engine > and start over (since it needed a head too), but since the head was > done > first... I don't really care if they have a prayer of sealing well, just if they can somewhat....I figure it will probably have a limp on that cylinder, but it always did as long as I've had it. I refuse to spend more on this than is absolutely necessary (I simply don't have it right now.) > If one cylinder did that, the other cylinders likely have wear as > well, > though probably not to the degree of the second cylinder. That's one thing that's surprising. There is very little wear on the others, and surprisingly little on #2. All 4 have only very slight ridges, which is encouraging. (But suspicious too, as I mention below.) > Repairing > just > one cylinder correctly (new sleeve, piston, rings, etc) ensures that > the > cylinder won't be the problem, but doesn't guarantee that #3 won't > give > up the ghost two weeks later. Don't slap a piston in without > changing the > sleeve, odds are that you're wasting your time and a head set. I know, I know. I just want the thing back on the road. Speak of Metric Motors, these guys are AWESOME!!! I am going to be sending the piston with rod to them as soon as I get it out (hopefully tomorrow) and they are going to figure out exactly what I have (because I have a feeling that this thing may have been either bored over or resleeved at some point) and what I need, try to find a good used piston for me, and even put the rod on it for me! Now that's SERVICE! I did talk to one guy about it....he doubted that it would fail catastrophically again, based on what I told him.....he figured it would just leak compression some (which I expected) and have a limp and oil consumption as a result. I am used to both problems, but the no rings and a hole piston is just not acceptable. I just want to put a used piston with new rings in to get me by for another year or so until I have 5k for a Metric Motors rebuilt. (Somehow I have the suspicion that another $1500 for that vs. a McRebuild from AutoZone might be much cheaper in the long run.....) 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