From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 10 13:47:15 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, August 10 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1914 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. [db] More Chrysler diesel news Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. [db] veggie oil use [db] off-topic search for a part... soft top for K5/K15 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:21:40 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. Thanks for all the info. At least I now know what the buttons are suppose to do. There is a set off new pads in the trunk so I will swap them. Good Idea to have the rotors turned? I believe the car has sat for about 2 months and before that didn't see alot of miles. I did find that it looks like the #4 injector is leaking I believe from the small braided rubber line. These look to be in need of replacement. I have done anything yet to the car. I have read that if I plan to run biodiesel that I need to go ahead and replace all the rubber fuel lines with viton or similar material. This car is for a veggie conversion project. More of an experiment. I messed with the window switches and was unable to make the drivers window work by swapping switches. The fuse is good too. I will need to examine the steering and suspension, probably while doing the brakes. Thanks fo rthe help. Wil lbe asking more questions since I am not at all familiar with german cars. Allen


>From: Marc <marcz-at-pobox.com>
>Reply-To: marcz-at-pobox.com
>To: Allen Zylstra <allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some.
>Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:43:08 -0400
>
>Hello Allen, it seems that no one wants to give you additional
>details on your climate control system :-) . I'll try to give you
>some.
>
>If you have the horizontal buttons, 5 of them, with the wheel on the
>left, the buttons are: The left one is defrost, the next one to the
>right is AC with certain vents (don't know which), the next one to
>the right (in the middle) is AC with other vents. The 2nd from the
>right marked EC is vent air, no AC. The one to the right with the
>circle if off. I think this setup is called the type III setup.
>It is the only one that I have on both by '83 300Ds. The other type
>that I have heard of had vertical buttons and I'm not familiar with
>it.
>
>If any of the vacuum pods are bad it is difficult to know what is
>right unless you use a vacuum gauge to see what is happening. On my
>300TD my center pod in the dash close to the windshield is bad
>meaning that all of the air is coming out of the defrost vents at
>the windshield. By default, you have defrost air if there are other
>problems. Just above the radio and behind the set of switches which
>include the antenna switch are vacuum switchover valves. These
>control the vacuum to the actuator pods. The switchover valves are
>electrically controlled by the switches ( if a type III system ).
>
>Marc Z in NC.
>
>Allen Zylstra wrote:
>
>>I picke dthe car up last night. Cruises at 75mph easily. It idles
>>rough, but is smooth off idle. It also seems to smoke more than
>>normal. The smoke is black like too much fuel. I am guessing
>>injectors need cleaning and the IP pump adjusted.
>>
>>The previous owner said the drivers window problem is the switch as
>>he broke it trying to fix the problem himself.
>>
>>I have one question. On the instrument panel there is a light that
>>flashes when the brakes are on. It has a circle with dash marks
>>around it. What is that? Also I don't know how to work the
>>climate control buttons?
>>
>>Steering box feels a bit loose too.
>>
>>Thanks, Allen
>>
>>
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:30:01 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. MB rotors generally are not turned. Something about the hard vs. soft makeup of the rotors and pads specified for MBs. You usually get two sets of pads per rotor, then you just replace the rotors. If the car sat for 2 months, the engine should definitely improve with some driving. It may continue to improve for several weeks. The leaky hose connecting the injectors just handles the overflow diesel, not the high pressure incoming feed. These lines deteriorate over time. Usual approach is to buy one meter from an MB dealer, then cut off all the old pieces, cut the new meter to match the lengths, and replace them all. Note that the number 5 injector has a closed off stub hose on one connection. Buy the replacement for this as well. (In a pinch, clamp a screw into a piece of new hose.) The hose is pretty cheap, even from the dealer, and I don't know that we've had much luck finding a long-lasting substitute. I do remember telling myself that diesel is not as volatile as gasoline, and that's how I put up with leaky return lines, but you will really need to change them soon. Alec Quoting Allen Zylstra : > Thanks for all the info. At least I now know what the buttons are suppose > > to do. There is a set off new pads in the trunk so I will swap them. Good > > Idea to have the rotors turned? > > I believe the car has sat for about 2 months and before that didn't see > alot > of miles. I did find that it looks like the #4 injector is leaking I > believe from the small braided rubber line. These look to be in need of > replacement. I have done anything yet to the car. I have read that if I > plan to run biodiesel that I need to go ahead and replace all the rubber > fuel lines with viton or similar material. > > This car is for a veggie conversion project. More of an experiment. I > messed with the window switches and was unable to make the drivers window > work by swapping switches. The fuse is good too. > > I will need to examine the steering and suspension, probably while doing > the > brakes. > > Thanks fo rthe help. Wil lbe asking more questions since I am not at all > familiar with german cars. > > Allen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:31:05 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] More Chrysler diesel news 134HP and 247 ft.lbs torque from 2.0 TDI A better engine to replace all those dead 1.7 VW gas motors Used in the Omni Horizons. ;) Might actually get sold here. http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0508/09/C06-274094.htm DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group will use a transmission created by Nissan Motor Co. and a diesel engine supplied by Volkswagen AG in a new Dodge car, as part of efforts to cut the time and cost of vehicle development. The 2007 Dodge Caliber, set to debut next year, will be available with a so-called continuously variable transmission developed by Nissan's Jatco Ltd. unit and a diesel engine for outside of the United States from Volkswagen, Chrysler engineering chief Eric Ridenour said last week. The car will use an all-wheel drive system developed with Mitsubishi Motors Corp., he said. Chrysler, the third-largest U.S. automaker, is using partnerships with Japanese and European companies and parts borrowed from other units within DaimlerChrysler to streamline vehicle development. Chrysler has cut annual product development costs to about $6 billion from $8.4 billion since 2000, even as the automaker has added more models. "If you don't have to invest in the technology and you can find someone with excess capacity to supply it, it's a good deal for both sides," David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, said. "There's lots of horse trading like this that's going to go on. It's a good example of the new business model." The Jatco continuously variable transmission, which uses pulleys instead of gears to distribute power, cuts fuel economy by as much as 8 percent, said Ridenour, who takes over as Chrysler chief operating officer in January. The current chief operating officer, Tom LaSorda, will become chief executive. Chrysler will get the transmissions from a Jatco plant that opens next year in Mexico. They are used on Nissan Lafesta models in Japan, Ridenour said. To address complaints that transmissions sound different when they shift than a traditional automatic system with gears, Chrysler helped develop software that simulates the sound and feel of gear changes, he said. The all-wheel drive system, which includes parts made by Mitsubishi in Japan, shifts from front- to rear-wheel-drive, depending on the situation. At speeds between 30 and 60 mph, the system mostly uses rear-wheel drive to improve handling, Ridenour said. At slower speeds or when roads are slippery, it uses front-wheel drive. The 2-liter Volkswagen direct-injection turbo diesel uses a higher-pressure fuel system to increase fuel efficiency and reduce pollutant emissions, he said. The engine, used in VW's Touareg sport-utility vehicle and planned for its new Golf cars, will be installed in Caliber models sold outside the United States, where diesels are more popular, Ridenour said. "Nobody can afford to build everything they need anymore," Cole said, citing General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. cooperating to build transmissions and GM and DaimlerChrysler teaming up on engines. "Just about everybody's parts are for sale now." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Allen Zylstra wrote: > -->Thanks for all the info. At least I now know what the buttons are suppose > -->to do. There is a set off new pads in the trunk so I will swap them. Good > -->Idea to have the rotors turned? only if they're warped, and then I'd replace them... I haven't turned a set of rotors in over 20 years... if it's scored I count that as additional cooling surface and the brake pad will wear into it. ;) I like the power slotted rotors, I've put them on everything that needs them. helps keep them from warping. > -->I believe the car has sat for about 2 months and before that didn't see alot > -->of miles. I did find that it looks like the #4 injector is leaking I > -->believe from the small braided rubber line. These look to be in need of > -->replacement. I have done anything yet to the car. I have read that if I > -->plan to run biodiesel that I need to go ahead and replace all the rubber > -->fuel lines with viton or similar material. get the proper fuel return line from the dealer, it doesn't cost much, it works and it'll stop that leak. I used other stuff and it failed... > -->This car is for a veggie conversion project. More of an experiment. I > -->messed with the window switches and was unable to make the drivers window > -->work by swapping switches. The fuse is good too. check the connectors and wiring, with a meter... > -->I will need to examine the steering and suspension, probably while doing the > -->brakes. > --> > -->Thanks fo rthe help. Wil lbe asking more questions since I am not at all > -->familiar with german cars. > -->Allen john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:25:15 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. I won't worry about the replacing the return lines with bio safe hoses then. I know I can get the stuff fromt the dealer or online. I ran it today and revved it up good a few times and it seem to puff and then idle alittle better. I am not sure if the engine is warming up properly. The aux fan fuse was blown and I replace it. The brakes need some attention. They are soft when the car is cold and then seem to get better after it warms up. I have not heard any grinding. Is anyone here running vegetable with a conversion system. I am espicially interested in homebuilt conversions. Thanks, Allen


>From: john <john-at-superdawg.wagoneers.com>
>To: Allen Zylstra <allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com>
>CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net
>Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some.
>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Allen Zylstra wrote:
>
> > -->Thanks for all the info. At least I now know what the buttons are suppose
> > - -->to do. There is a set off new pads in the trunk so I will swap them. Good
> > -->Idea to have the rotors turned?
>
>only if they're warped, and then I'd replace them... I haven't turned
>a set of rotors in over 20 years... if it's scored I count that as additional
>cooling surface and the brake pad will wear into it. ;)
>
>I like the power slotted rotors, I've put them on everything that needs
>them. helps keep them from warping.
>
> > -->I believe the car has sat for about 2 months and before that didn't see alot
> > -->of miles. I did find that it looks like the #4 injector is leaking I
> > - -->believe from the small braided rubber line. These look to be in need of
> > -->replacement. I have done anything yet to the car. I have read that if I
> > -->plan to run biodiesel that I need to go ahead and replace all the rubber
> > -->fuel lines with viton or similar material.
>
>get the proper fuel return line from the dealer, it doesn't cost much,
>it works and it'll stop that leak. I used other stuff and it failed...
>
> > -->This car is for a veggie conversion project. More of an experiment. I
> > - -->messed with the window switches and was unable to make the drivers window
> > -->work by swapping switches. The fuse is good too.
>
>check the connectors and wiring, with a meter...
>
>
> > -->I will need to examine the steering and suspension, probably while doing the
> > - -->brakes.
> > -->
> > -->Thanks fo rthe help. Wil lbe asking more questions since I am not at all
> > - -->familiar with german cars.
> > - -->Allen
>
>
>john
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:33:20 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Rough idle, smokes some. On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 03:25:15PM -0500, Allen Zylstra wrote: > I won't worry about the replacing the return lines with bio safe hoses > then. I know I can get the stuff fromt the dealer or online. I ran it > today and revved it up good a few times and it seem to puff and then idle > alittle better. And it will continue to run better the more you run it. > I am not sure if the engine is warming up properly. It should run between 80-100 degrees C, preferably towards the lower end of that scale most of the time. If your car is older, it's likely somewhere around the 175 mark. If the car does not warm up within a couple miles of driving, replace the thermostat, and while you're at it, change the coolant. Running cold is excessively hard on diesels. Another nuance is that once the oil gauge pegs upon startup, go. Don't sit there waiting for it to warm up, you'll actually cause more wear that way than just taking off. Seems counterintuitive, but Mercedes did a lot of research, and that was their conclusion. > The aux fan fuse was blown and I replace it. It is not a bad idea to bite the bullet and replace ALL the fuses. It is also not a bad idea to carry some spares, including the 80A glow plug fuse. While you're at it, it's never a bad idea to carry a spare pair of fuel filters. > I have not heard any grinding. It is still likely time to change the pads. The light comes on before grinding, so that you won't have to replace the rotors prematurely. > Is anyone here running vegetable with a conversion system. I am espicially > interested in homebuilt conversions. Most people are blending. There was a dealer-installable second tank for 123 sedans which might make your efforts a little easier if you wanted to run straight vegetable oil while starting on diesel. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] veggie oil use I'm not having any trouble blending pump Diesel with my filtered waste veggie oil. I run about 5 gallons in my '91 300D every other tank. My Jimmy has a 31 gallon tank, I dumped 10 gallons in and am getting ready to just pump straight into the massive tank and top it off... Diesel prices are over $2.79 here... if it doesn't start, well... I'll just take another car. ;) My J10 has dual tanks, so I'll be doing the switching over at start/stop on it. Not sure I want to mess with a dual tank setup on the Jimmy. I'm also thinking that blending in a gallon or two of regular unleaded might help thin the fuel a bit and keep it flowing... john On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Kevin wrote: >-->> Is anyone here running vegetable with a conversion system. I am espicially >-->> interested in homebuilt conversions. >--> >-->Most people are blending. There was a dealer-installable second tank for >-->123 sedans which might make your efforts a little easier if you wanted to >-->run straight vegetable oil while starting on diesel. >-->K ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] off-topic search for a part... soft top for K5/K15 I'm looking for either a slide-in camper (Chalet) for my '83 GMC Jimmy, or a soft top/ tonneau cover. Found a few new, but their all in the $400-$500 range... There HAS to be a used one out there somewhere... I found one ad for a used Chalet, slide-in fiberglass shell for $100, emailed the guy... not sure it'll keep my overall height below 6'6" for the parking garage though... Found out that the back top weighs 300lbs!!! No wonder it was hard to get off the truck by myself, thought I was just tired from travelling. ;) I think a soft top setup would be better though, any one know of any around? http://www.trippnet.com/Soft_tops/blazer/ http://sf2000.registeredsite.com/~user853159/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SoftTops&Product_Code=TTDT1 http://www.offroaddesign.com/catalog/softtops.htm http://www.coloradok5.com/forums/showthread.php?s=a97d5fe8436122d0e4aeda4b2fe15eac&p=1273453#post1273453 http://www.4wheelcustoms.com/Products.asp?Cat=629 thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1914 **********************************