From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 30 11:14:44 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 30 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1938 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... Re: [db] Who's running B100? Re: [db] Who's running B100? Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... looks like I may switch to biodiesel... BTW, we've talked about this before, but what are the problems associated with using waste motor oil? I've got to do a few oil changes and may dump the waste oil in the Jimmy's tank... thoughts? john On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->John, >-->At Laurelhurst Oil, Biod is going for $3.10/gallon. >-->Not sure what Dr. Dan's is selling to members for, but it is probably about >-->$3. >-->And who knows what Chris Goodwin is charging... It's usually around the same >-->as Laurelhurst. >-->Any idea why the price jumped recently? It was as low as $2.96 for a while >-->earlier this summer. >-->It's not like there's a war on for our fuel. And I don't think hurricane's >-->hit the Iowa Soybean fields all that often.... ;) >-->c >--> >-->On 8/30/05, john wrote: >-->> >-->> JB, >-->> >-->> I'll convert my spreadsheet to HTML that logs shadowfax's numbers, if you >-->> have a spreadsheet on yours do the same... or email off list and I'll do >-->> it. >-->> >-->> I haven't noticed any decrease in power or economy when blending wvo into >-->> my tank, just a change in smells. :) (and a few leaks). >-->> >-->> I've parked the K15 for a bit. At it's current mileage it's netting >-->> about 26mpg cost wise vs the 30mpg for my 124. Until I can put my >-->> J10 on the road andd burn 100% veggied down I5 I'll probably stick >-->> to the Benz. >-->> >-->> BTW, fellow Seattlites... what is biodiesel going for these days? I may >-->> start running it over dino, should behave the same, right? >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, J.B. Hebert wrote: >-->> >-->> > -->I have run about 100 gallons of B100 through my '95 E300D (doesn't >-->> take long >-->> > -->for me) and was looking to compare numbers with others on the list >-->> who are >-->> > -->running B100. I gathered a fair amount of performance and economy >-->> data >-->> > -->before and after the switch and was a little surprised by the >-->> outcome. >-->> > -->Every source I've read on biodiesel indicates that you should expect >-->> a >-->> > -->slight decrease in power and economy because there is slightly less >-->> energy >-->> > -->in biodiesel. Well, I have noticed no significant drop in performance >-->> as >-->> > -->indicated by the stopwatch. The butt dyno tells me that I'm a little >-->> down, >-->> > -->but barely. So, I was expecting about a 5% drop in power, and I would >-->> guess >-->> > -->that I am seeing less that 2%. What I have noticed, however, is that >-->> my >-->> > -->economy is down a little over 15%, from around 29.9 MPG to 25.3 MPG. >-->> To >-->> > -->make sure it wasn't the car, I ran a few tanks of dino fuel through >-->> and it >-->> > -->again returned to around 29.9 MPG. >-->> > --> >-->> > -->Is anyone else out there running B100 who is as anal as I am and >-->> documented >-->> > -->the changes? I'd love to compare notes. >-->> > --> >-->> > -->Thanks, >-->> > --> >-->> > --> >-->> > -->J.B. Hebert >-->> > --> >-->> > -->---------------------------------------------- >-->> > -->Current Vehicles: >-->> > --> >-->> > -->'76 Ford Bronco >-->> > -->'78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 >-->> > -->'80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe >-->> > -->'82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) >-->> > -->'93 GMC Sierra 2500 >-->> > -->'95 Mercedes E300D >-->> > --> >-->> > -->-- >-->> > -->No virus found in this outgoing message. >-->> > -->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> > -->Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: >-->> 8/26/2005 >-->> > --> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:21:57 -0700 From: Charles Redell Subject: Re: [db] Who's running B100? I think the tank is 15 gallons. Apparently I'm not doing as greaton mileage as I thought! Though, I do have some tuning things to do this next month..... c On 8/30/05, john wrote: > > > how big is the tank? do you record the gallons? :) > > my 124 300D has about 350 miles on the trip odometer right now and > it's between 1/2 and 1/4 tank... in town I can usually go 500 miles > or so... I think, will have to check my spreadsheet... > > my '83 300SD got about 26mpg in town. > > john > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: > > >-->Can't say that I am as anal as you guys, not even close actually, but > I have > >-->been running B100 since I got my 84 300d turbo in May (the guy who > owned it > >-->before me was running dino-diesel and didn't care for the car so he > hadn't > >-->done an oil change or anything else, nor did he know his mileage). > >--> > >-->As for running, the car runs great. Mileage is pretty good for as > little as > >-->I drive and as much city driving as I do when I do drive. In town, I > get > >-->~350-375 miles per tank and on road trips I hit 400 easy. > >-->c > >--> > >-->On 8/30/05, Jim Hoffman wrote: > >-->> > >-->> As SOON as I can get time to get that old heating oil out of my > plastic > >-->> barrels I'll be filling them with B100 and trying it in my F-350. > I'll > >-->> definately be interested in comparing notes at that time. Let's hope > >-->> I can get it done before winter! :0 > >-->> > >-->> Jim > >-->> > >-->> > I have run about 100 gallons of B100 through my '95 E300D (doesn't > >-->> > take long for me) and was looking to compare numbers with others > on > >-->> > the list who are running B100. I gathered a fair amount of > >-->> > performance and economy data before and after the switch and was a > >-->> > little surprised by the outcome. Every source I've read on > biodiesel > >-->> > indicates that you should expect a slight decrease in power and > >-->> > economy because there is slightly less energy in biodiesel. Well, > I > >-->> > have noticed no significant drop in performance as indicated by > the > >-->> > stopwatch. The butt dyno tells me that I'm a little down, but > >-->> > barely. So, I was expecting about a 5% drop in power, and I would > >-->> > guess that I am seeing less that 2%. What I have noticed, however, > >-->> > is that my economy is down a little over 15%, from around 29.9 MPG > to > >-->> > 25.3 MPG. To make sure it wasn't the car, I ran a few tanks of > dino > >-->> > fuel through and it again returned to around 29.9 MPG. > >-->> > > >-->> > Is anyone else out there running B100 who is as anal as I am and > >-->> > documented the changes? I'd love to compare notes. > >-->> > > >-->> > Thanks, > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> > J.B. Hebert > >-->> > > >-->> > ---------------------------------------------- > >-->> > Current Vehicles: > >-->> > > >-->> > '76 Ford Bronco > >-->> > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > >-->> > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > >-->> > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > >-->> > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > >-->> > '95 Mercedes E300D > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Who's running B100? tire pressure, air filter, synthetic oil, adjust valves, new timing chain, wax job... lighten the load, get those barbells out of the trunk... ;) I think I can get an amsoil airfilter for your engine, and of course the oil... but ANY synthetic will help a bit... also, on your engine the amsoil diesel fuel modifier really helps clean the injectors and clean things up... speaking of which, I should run some through my Jimmy... ;) john On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->I think the tank is 15 gallons. Apparently I'm not doing as greaton mileage >-->as I thought! >-->Though, I do have some tuning things to do this next month..... >-->c >--> >--> >-->On 8/30/05, john wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> how big is the tank? do you record the gallons? :) >-->> >-->> my 124 300D has about 350 miles on the trip odometer right now and >-->> it's between 1/2 and 1/4 tank... in town I can usually go 500 miles >-->> or so... I think, will have to check my spreadsheet... >-->> >-->> my '83 300SD got about 26mpg in town. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Can't say that I am as anal as you guys, not even close actually, but >-->> I have >-->> >-->been running B100 since I got my 84 300d turbo in May (the guy who >-->> owned it >-->> >-->before me was running dino-diesel and didn't care for the car so he >-->> hadn't >-->> >-->done an oil change or anything else, nor did he know his mileage). >-->> >--> >-->> >-->As for running, the car runs great. Mileage is pretty good for as >-->> little as >-->> >-->I drive and as much city driving as I do when I do drive. In town, I >-->> get >-->> >-->~350-375 miles per tank and on road trips I hit 400 easy. >-->> >-->c >-->> >--> >-->> >-->On 8/30/05, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> As SOON as I can get time to get that old heating oil out of my >-->> plastic >-->> >-->> barrels I'll be filling them with B100 and trying it in my F-350. >-->> I'll >-->> >-->> definately be interested in comparing notes at that time. Let's hope >-->> >-->> I can get it done before winter! :0 >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Jim >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> > I have run about 100 gallons of B100 through my '95 E300D (doesn't >-->> >-->> > take long for me) and was looking to compare numbers with others >-->> on >-->> >-->> > the list who are running B100. I gathered a fair amount of >-->> >-->> > performance and economy data before and after the switch and was a >-->> >-->> > little surprised by the outcome. Every source I've read on >-->> biodiesel >-->> >-->> > indicates that you should expect a slight decrease in power and >-->> >-->> > economy because there is slightly less energy in biodiesel. Well, >-->> I >-->> >-->> > have noticed no significant drop in performance as indicated by >-->> the >-->> >-->> > stopwatch. The butt dyno tells me that I'm a little down, but >-->> >-->> > barely. So, I was expecting about a 5% drop in power, and I would >-->> >-->> > guess that I am seeing less that 2%. What I have noticed, however, >-->> >-->> > is that my economy is down a little over 15%, from around 29.9 MPG >-->> to >-->> >-->> > 25.3 MPG. To make sure it wasn't the car, I ran a few tanks of >-->> dino >-->> >-->> > fuel through and it again returned to around 29.9 MPG. >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > Is anyone else out there running B100 who is as anal as I am and >-->> >-->> > documented the changes? I'd love to compare notes. >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > Thanks, >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > J.B. Hebert >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > ---------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> > Current Vehicles: >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> > '76 Ford Bronco >-->> >-->> > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 >-->> >-->> > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe >-->> >-->> > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) >-->> >-->> > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 >-->> >-->> > '95 Mercedes E300D >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:44:00 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... I would think the Jimmy's system, with looser tolerances and probably lower pressures than Shadowfax, should easily be able to handle the few acids and soots in suspension, as long as you only throw it in a little at a time. Not sure how much that would be, but I would guess half and half is probably too rich a mixture. Alec Quoting john : > looks like I may switch to biodiesel... > > BTW, we've talked about this before, but what are the problems associated > with using waste motor oil? I've got to do a few oil changes and may dump > the waste oil in the Jimmy's tank... thoughts? > > john > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: > > >-->John, > >-->At Laurelhurst Oil, Biod is going for $3.10/gallon. > >-->Not sure what Dr. Dan's is selling to members for, but it is probably > about > >-->$3. > >-->And who knows what Chris Goodwin is charging... It's usually around the > same > >-->as Laurelhurst. > >-->Any idea why the price jumped recently? It was as low as $2.96 for a > while > >-->earlier this summer. > >-->It's not like there's a war on for our fuel. And I don't think > hurricane's > >-->hit the Iowa Soybean fields all that often.... ;) > >-->c > >--> > >-->On 8/30/05, john wrote: > >-->> > >-->> JB, > >-->> > >-->> I'll convert my spreadsheet to HTML that logs shadowfax's numbers, if > you > >-->> have a spreadsheet on yours do the same... or email off list and I'll > do > >-->> it. > >-->> > >-->> I haven't noticed any decrease in power or economy when blending wvo > into > >-->> my tank, just a change in smells. :) (and a few leaks). > >-->> > >-->> I've parked the K15 for a bit. At it's current mileage it's netting > >-->> about 26mpg cost wise vs the 30mpg for my 124. Until I can put my > >-->> J10 on the road andd burn 100% veggied down I5 I'll probably stick > >-->> to the Benz. > >-->> > >-->> BTW, fellow Seattlites... what is biodiesel going for these days? I > may > >-->> start running it over dino, should behave the same, right? > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, J.B. Hebert wrote: > >-->> > >-->> > -->I have run about 100 gallons of B100 through my '95 E300D > (doesn't > >-->> take long > >-->> > -->for me) and was looking to compare numbers with others on the > list > >-->> who are > >-->> > -->running B100. I gathered a fair amount of performance and > economy > >-->> data > >-->> > -->before and after the switch and was a little surprised by the > >-->> outcome. > >-->> > -->Every source I've read on biodiesel indicates that you should > expect > >-->> a > >-->> > -->slight decrease in power and economy because there is slightly > less > >-->> energy > >-->> > -->in biodiesel. Well, I have noticed no significant drop in > performance > >-->> as > >-->> > -->indicated by the stopwatch. The butt dyno tells me that I'm a > little > >-->> down, > >-->> > -->but barely. So, I was expecting about a 5% drop in power, and I > would > >-->> guess > >-->> > -->that I am seeing less that 2%. What I have noticed, however, is > that > >-->> my > >-->> > -->economy is down a little over 15%, from around 29.9 MPG to 25.3 > MPG. > >-->> To > >-->> > -->make sure it wasn't the car, I ran a few tanks of dino fuel > through > >-->> and it > >-->> > -->again returned to around 29.9 MPG. > >-->> > --> > >-->> > -->Is anyone else out there running B100 who is as anal as I am and > > >-->> documented > >-->> > -->the changes? I'd love to compare notes. > >-->> > --> > >-->> > -->Thanks, > >-->> > --> > >-->> > --> > >-->> > -->J.B. Hebert > >-->> > --> > >-->> > -->---------------------------------------------- > >-->> > -->Current Vehicles: > >-->> > --> > >-->> > -->'76 Ford Bronco > >-->> > -->'78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > >-->> > -->'80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > >-->> > -->'82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > >-->> > -->'93 GMC Sierra 2500 > >-->> > -->'95 Mercedes E300D > >-->> > --> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Who's running B100? also waste engine oil... yeah, more than 50% veggie oil pointed out the problems of starting... thanx for the info... looks like the 6.2 Diesel will be a nice garbage disposal. ;) john On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >-->I would think the Jimmy's system, with looser tolerances and probably lower >-->pressures than Shadowfax, should easily be able to handle the few acids and >-->soots in suspension, as long as you only throw it in a little at a time. Not >-->sure how much that would be, but I would guess half and half is probably too >-->rich a mixture. >--> >-->Alec >--> >-->Quoting john : >--> >-->> looks like I may switch to biodiesel... >-->> >-->> BTW, we've talked about this before, but what are the problems associated >-->> with using waste motor oil? I've got to do a few oil changes and may dump >-->> the waste oil in the Jimmy's tank... thoughts? >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->John, >-->> >-->At Laurelhurst Oil, Biod is going for $3.10/gallon. >-->> >-->Not sure what Dr. Dan's is selling to members for, but it is probably >-->> about >-->> >-->$3. >-->> >-->And who knows what Chris Goodwin is charging... It's usually around the >-->> same >-->> >-->as Laurelhurst. >-->> >-->Any idea why the price jumped recently? It was as low as $2.96 for a >-->> while >-->> >-->earlier this summer. >-->> >-->It's not like there's a war on for our fuel. And I don't think >-->> hurricane's >-->> >-->hit the Iowa Soybean fields all that often.... ;) >-->> >-->c >-->> >--> >-->> >-->On 8/30/05, john wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> JB, >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I'll convert my spreadsheet to HTML that logs shadowfax's numbers, if >-->> you >-->> >-->> have a spreadsheet on yours do the same... or email off list and I'll >-->> do >-->> >-->> it. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I haven't noticed any decrease in power or economy when blending wvo >-->> into >-->> >-->> my tank, just a change in smells. :) (and a few leaks). >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I've parked the K15 for a bit. At it's current mileage it's netting >-->> >-->> about 26mpg cost wise vs the 30mpg for my 124. Until I can put my >-->> >-->> J10 on the road andd burn 100% veggied down I5 I'll probably stick >-->> >-->> to the Benz. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> BTW, fellow Seattlites... what is biodiesel going for these days? I >-->> may >-->> >-->> start running it over dino, should behave the same, right? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, J.B. Hebert wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> > -->I have run about 100 gallons of B100 through my '95 E300D >-->> (doesn't >-->> >-->> take long >-->> >-->> > -->for me) and was looking to compare numbers with others on the >-->> list >-->> >-->> who are >-->> >-->> > -->running B100. I gathered a fair amount of performance and >-->> economy >-->> >-->> data >-->> >-->> > -->before and after the switch and was a little surprised by the >-->> >-->> outcome. >-->> >-->> > -->Every source I've read on biodiesel indicates that you should >-->> expect >-->> >-->> a >-->> >-->> > -->slight decrease in power and economy because there is slightly >-->> less >-->> >-->> energy >-->> >-->> > -->in biodiesel. Well, I have noticed no significant drop in >-->> performance >-->> >-->> as >-->> >-->> > -->indicated by the stopwatch. The butt dyno tells me that I'm a >-->> little >-->> >-->> down, >-->> >-->> > -->but barely. So, I was expecting about a 5% drop in power, and I >-->> would >-->> >-->> guess >-->> >-->> > -->that I am seeing less that 2%. What I have noticed, however, is >-->> that >-->> >-->> my >-->> >-->> > -->economy is down a little over 15%, from around 29.9 MPG to 25.3 >-->> MPG. >-->> >-->> To >-->> >-->> > -->make sure it wasn't the car, I ran a few tanks of dino fuel >-->> through >-->> >-->> and it >-->> >-->> > -->again returned to around 29.9 MPG. >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > -->Is anyone else out there running B100 who is as anal as I am and >-->> >-->> >-->> documented >-->> >-->> > -->the changes? I'd love to compare notes. >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > -->Thanks, >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > -->J.B. Hebert >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > -->---------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> > -->Current Vehicles: >-->> >-->> > --> >-->> >-->> > -->'76 Ford Bronco >-->> >-->> > -->'78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 >-->> >-->> > -->'80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe >-->> >-->> > -->'82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) >-->> >-->> > -->'93 GMC Sierra 2500 >-->> >-->> > -->'95 Mercedes E300D >-->> >-->> > --> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1938 **********************************