From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 31 22:48:07 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, September 1 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1940 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit RE: [db] Wascaly Wabbit [db] diesel ? '84 300SD ? more? [db] searching for a W124 2.5(602) Re: [db] searching for a W124 2.5(602) [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:10:52 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:04:51AM -0700, john wrote: > most Diesels draw the fuel to the pump. In the tank will > be a screen or sock... on the pickup tube... no pump. One major exception that comes to mind is the international diesels that appeared in fords. Jim's F350 is a good example, as is the powerchoke (which doesn't have an injector pump, but that's another story). The IDI fords had two pumps - one called an injector pump that did the obvious, one called a lift pump, that supplied fuel to the injector pump. The GM 6.5 TD was this way as well (in fact, the lift pump took out a few IPs when the fuel pressure went low -- the stanadyne pumps in the GM 6.2/6.5 were fuel lubricated). Don't know whether your K15 had a lift pump as well. On the cornbinders, they don't just up and fail, they usually leak like a sieve long before they quit being effective. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 00:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit I've got two tanks from the GMC 3/4t out here, I'm sure when I pull those sending units out there won't be pumps in there... ;) The 6.2L Diesel is different than the 6.5. However, I've learned that a 6.5 will accept the pump from a 6.2. The problem with the 6.5's is that they're electronic... I have this vague recollection that the 6.2L pump is the same as the 5.7L pump... begins with an R... roosier, rooser, something like that... has a diagraphm in it... simple... easily rebuilt and inexpensive. Certainly not as good as the pumps in our benzes. I watched a shop rebuild my 5.7 pump... I'll let y'all know if I find a pump in these tanks out here. ;) john On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Kevin wrote: >-->On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:04:51AM -0700, john wrote: >-->> most Diesels draw the fuel to the pump. In the tank will >-->> be a screen or sock... on the pickup tube... no pump. >--> >-->One major exception that comes to mind is the international diesels that >-->appeared in fords. Jim's F350 is a good example, as is the powerchoke (which >-->doesn't have an injector pump, but that's another story). The IDI fords had >-->two pumps - one called an injector pump that did the obvious, one called a >-->lift pump, that supplied fuel to the injector pump. The GM 6.5 TD was this >-->way as well (in fact, the lift pump took out a few IPs when the fuel >-->pressure went low -- the stanadyne pumps in the GM 6.2/6.5 were fuel >-->lubricated). Don't know whether your K15 had a lift pump as well. On the >-->cornbinders, they don't just up and fail, they usually leak like a sieve long >-->before they quit being effective. >--> >-->K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:00:25 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit So, why don't we get a water filter, and the VW people do? I don't recall ever seeing water draining from the Bosch filter in my '80 Wabbit. Jon Filina wrote: > The VW > DOES have a water filter, which our MB's don't... > > * * * Paul H. Brown, Esq. Wood, Maines & Brown, Chartered 1827 Jefferson Place, N.W. Washington, DC 20036 Tel 202.293.5333 Fax 202.293.9811 E-mail Brown-at-LegalCompass.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:09:28 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit At 7:00 AM -0400 8/31/05, Paul Brown wrote: >So, why don't we get a water filter, and the VW people do? I don't >recall ever seeing water draining from the Bosch filter in my '80 >Wabbit. Oh I do. I recall a tank of Diesel I bought in Pueblo CO that I swear had at least a quart of water in it. =( Oh, one more thing to check, which has NOTHING to do with fuel delivery on the Rabbit. There is big honkin' metal fuse mounted in the top center of the firewall. If it is broken, the Rabbit will never start (unless push started).... don't ask me how I know. =P - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (who spent a week push-starting his 80 Rabbit in 1984) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:40:56 -0400 From: Paul Brown Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Ah, yes. That fuse. The one I bought two of so I could keep one in the ashtray for "next time." chuck goolsbee wrote: > At 7:00 AM -0400 8/31/05, Paul Brown wrote: > >> So, why don't we get a water filter, and the VW people do? I don't >> recall ever seeing water draining from the Bosch filter in my '80 Wabbit. > > > Oh I do. I recall a tank of Diesel I bought in Pueblo CO that I swear > had at least a quart of water in it. =( > > > Oh, one more thing to check, which has NOTHING to do with fuel delivery > on the Rabbit. There is big honkin' metal fuse mounted in the top center > of the firewall. If it is broken, the Rabbit will never start (unless > push started).... don't ask me how I know. =P > > - -- This message contains information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the person I intended to address, or his/her authorized agent, please call me immediately, and delete this message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, reproduction or retention of this message, and any unauthorized disclosure of its contents, are prohibited and may be unlawful. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * * * Paul H. Brown, Esq. Wood, Maines & Brown, Chartered 1827 Jefferson Place, N.W. Washington, DC 20036 Tel 202.293.5333 Fax 202.293.9811 E-mail Brown-at-LegalCompass.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:10:19 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Correct... but the "lift pump" is just the same as the old conventional fuel pumps. It mounts on the side of the engine block and is driven from the camshaft. There isn't any pump in the tank itself. Jim > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:04:51AM -0700, john wrote: > > most Diesels draw the fuel to the pump. In the tank will > > be a screen or sock... on the pickup tube... no pump. > > One major exception that comes to mind is the international diesels that > appeared in fords. Jim's F350 is a good example, as is the powerchoke (which > doesn't have an injector pump, but that's another story). The IDI fords had > two pumps - one called an injector pump that did the obvious, one called a > lift pump, that supplied fuel to the injector pump. The GM 6.5 TD was this > way as well (in fact, the lift pump took out a few IPs when the fuel > pressure went low -- the stanadyne pumps in the GM 6.2/6.5 were fuel > lubricated). Don't know whether your K15 had a lift pump as well. On the > cornbinders, they don't just up and fail, they usually leak like a sieve long > before they quit being effective. > > K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->At 7:00 AM -0400 8/31/05, Paul Brown wrote: > -->> So, why don't we get a water filter, and the VW people do? I don't > -->> recall ever seeing water draining from the Bosch filter in my '80 > -->> Wabbit. > --> > -->Oh I do. I recall a tank of Diesel I bought in Pueblo CO that I swear had at > -->least a quart of water in it. =( I've only gotten bad Diesel twice in the last 20 years... once in Reno, and once at a station on I-5 up here in Everett... > --> > -->Oh, one more thing to check, which has NOTHING to do with fuel delivery on > -->the Rabbit. There is big honkin' metal fuse mounted in the top center of the > -->firewall. If it is broken, the Rabbit will never start (unless push > -->started).... don't ask me how I know. =P I had one of those big (50A?) metal fuses laying around... who knows, I may still have it... ;) Of course I did use quite a few VW parts in that '67 Wagoneer.... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg ah, according to that article I did use the VW fuse panel... ;) john > --> > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (who spent a week push-starting his 80 Rabbit in 1984) > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:02:46 -0600 From: Subject: RE: [db] Wascaly Wabbit On my 6.5L TurboDiesel Chevy Surburban, the lift pump is under the driver's side passenger door along the bottom of the frame....I've been meaning to change it....now that I just spend a boatload of money getting a new Injection pump, maybe I will! Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:10 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Wascaly Wabbit Correct... but the "lift pump" is just the same as the old conventional fuel pumps. It mounts on the side of the engine block and is driven from the camshaft. There isn't any pump in the tank itself. Jim > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 12:04:51AM -0700, john wrote: > > most Diesels draw the fuel to the pump. In the tank will > > be a screen or sock... on the pickup tube... no pump. > > One major exception that comes to mind is the international diesels that > appeared in fords. Jim's F350 is a good example, as is the powerchoke (which > doesn't have an injector pump, but that's another story). The IDI fords had > two pumps - one called an injector pump that did the obvious, one called a > lift pump, that supplied fuel to the injector pump. The GM 6.5 TD was this > way as well (in fact, the lift pump took out a few IPs when the fuel > pressure went low -- the stanadyne pumps in the GM 6.2/6.5 were fuel > lubricated). Don't know whether your K15 had a lift pump as well. On the > cornbinders, they don't just up and fail, they usually leak like a sieve long > before they quit being effective. > > K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: bree kna Subject: [db] diesel ? '84 300SD ? more? so there's a gasoline shortage...should diesel be hit as hard? the station by the house was 20cents higher (2.79) on the way home than it was this morning. and, is my diesel providing me any sort of insurance against a overall fuel shortage in that, either, diesel won't see a shortage...i could run alternative fuels...other? part deux...is there a way to prevent my tranny from shifting into its highest (lowest numerically) gear as quickly as it does? it seems from a dead stop that i start out in a particular gear (2nd?) then, shift at around 18mph into the next gear and only remain in that gear for a matter of 2-3 seconds before it shifts into the overdrive (or what have you) gear that is the highest available for cruising, etc. i find myself shifting into "3" at stoplights so that i can ride it out to maximize acceleration before i shift into this overdrive gear. thoughts? Brian ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:42:00 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] searching for a W124 2.5(602) Hey all. So, since John seems to have decided to keep Shadowfax, can anyone help me find a good W124 2.5 turbo (602)? I don't know enough to judge cars on eBay (as evidenced by the handful I have asked about on this list in the past) so that's not really an option for me (at least not directly -- I'd have to constantly pester someone else to review them for me). And I haven't seen any relevant stuff on Craigslist recently (missed the one good one [someone posted it here] a while back - -- I was a few hours too late). For something this specific, should I find a car broker or something like that to hunt down what I want? I assume a broker would have some sort of liability if they get me a clunker? Any other suggestions, or any of you able and willing to help me find the right car? My total budget would be about $8k. I'd be happy to pay a reasonable "commission" if I can find the right car for acceptable total cost (including any commission, costs to transport it here if needed, etc.). Primary concerns are: * reliability * mpg My ideals, in order of importance and based on my admittedly non-mechanic views (largely derived from postings on this list): * 91-93 300D 2.5 turbo (W124 w/602 engine) * the lower the miles the better, of course :) * 30+ city mpg, 35-40+ hwy mpg? * vacuum system in good working order * light colored interior (tan, or grey, not red or blue) * working climate controls * blue or dark green exterior, although exterior can always be repainted to my desire (pickier about interior, since far more problematic to change that later) * biodiesel ready (i.e. rubber stuff replaced) * anything else I should be thinking of here? * anyone have a good reason for me to consider a different vehicle? * do you think I can find one, and for the budget I have planned? Thanks! -bkc Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D/W115.117 '00 MB ML320/W163.154 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] searching for a W124 2.5(602) we'll keep our eyes out for you... :) send us links, pictures, etc... if it's local I'll do the best I can to go and look at it with you. just so you know... my wife is lobbying for me to part with Shadowfax once Superdawg is done... ;) we'll see how that project turns out because if prices keep going up for fuel I'll be lobbying her to get rid of her WJ and drive the 300D. :) john On Thu, 1 Sep 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Hey all. >--> >-->So, since John seems to have decided to keep >-->Shadowfax, can anyone help me find a good W124 >-->2.5 turbo (602)? >--> >-->I don't know enough to judge cars on eBay (as >-->evidenced by the handful I have asked about on >-->this list in the past) so that's not really an >-->option for me (at least not directly -- I'd >-->have to constantly pester someone else to review >-->them for me). And I haven't seen any relevant >-->stuff on Craigslist recently (missed the one >-->good one [someone posted it here] a while back >-->-- I was a few hours too late). >--> >-->For something this specific, should I find a >-->car broker or something like that to hunt down >-->what I want? I assume a broker would have some >-->sort of liability if they get me a clunker? >--> >-->Any other suggestions, or any of you able and >-->willing to help me find the right car? My total >-->budget would be about $8k. I'd be happy to pay a >-->reasonable "commission" if I can find the right >-->car for acceptable total cost (including any >-->commission, costs to transport it here if needed, >-->etc.). >--> >-->Primary concerns are: >-->* reliability >-->* mpg >--> >-->My ideals, in order of importance and based on my >-->admittedly non-mechanic views (largely derived >-->from postings on this list): >--> >-->* 91-93 300D 2.5 turbo (W124 w/602 engine) >-->* the lower the miles the better, of course :) >-->* 30+ city mpg, 35-40+ hwy mpg? >-->* vacuum system in good working order >-->* light colored interior >--> (tan, or grey, not red or blue) >-->* working climate controls >-->* blue or dark green exterior, although exterior >--> can always be repainted to my desire (pickier >--> about interior, since far more problematic to >--> change that later) >-->* biodiesel ready (i.e. rubber stuff replaced) >--> >-->* anything else I should be thinking of here? >-->* anyone have a good reason for me to consider >--> a different vehicle? >--> >-->* do you think I can find one, and for the >--> budget I have planned? >--> >-->Thanks! >--> -bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D/W115.117 >-->'00 MB ML320/W163.154 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 05:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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