From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 14 13:06:44 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, September 14 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1956 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret [db] emissions test results RE: [db] emissions test results [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? RE: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks) [db] more on the rabbit Re: [db] more on the rabbit [db] biodiesel from garbage Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret I was thinking that I've read something about this process before. When I had access to the Boeing Technical library I researched a lot on Diesels and recall reading about this chemical process. It's not some deep secret, it's out there... any chemist, petrochemical engineer or physcist should be able to ferret it out of existing SAE type docs. Understanding what the chemical mixture is the question. PH balance and the rearrangement of fat molecules is what's going on... kind of like dishsoap or something like that. My chemistry background is pretty humble... a little bit of organic at Intel, but that was over 20 years ago... surely someone on the list can reverse engineer this issue... :) john On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Nick Eckert wrote: >-->Sorry guys, definitely not in. I smell a scam. A fool and his money >-->are soon to be parted, and my money is far too precious. >--> >-->Question to ask, if this stuff is so great in Germany, why is it a >-->secret and why can't you buy it direct? >--> >-->The voicemail phone number is in Louisiana. Smells too fishy for me. >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Nick >--> >-->[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Nick Eckert.vcf] >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:27:48 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret My 2c..... On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:14:47 -0700 "Nick Eckert" writes: > Sorry guys, definitely not in. I smell a scam. A fool and his money > are soon to be parted, and my money is far too precious. > > Question to ask, if this stuff is so great in Germany, why is it a > secret and why can't you buy it direct? Read my previous post. > > The voicemail phone number is in Louisiana. Smells too fishy for > me. Why? The site said that there was an American contact now......and somewhere they also said that they are back up after the hurricane, though delivery times would be a day or two slower (no wonder!) If you really want, I could point out more things that make it sound less and less like a scam.......details...... Jason > > Cheers, > > Nick > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > name of Nick Eckert.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:07:29 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret One of the biodiesel articles this list pointed me too some time ago talked about details of that process, and how you had to use some fairly potent stuff as catalysts to separate the contents of WVO, then some more potent stuff to adapt to whatever batch of WVO you had acquired. This stuff had to be done before WVO was good BioD suitable for most any modern diesel engine, including computerized ultra-high-pressure systems. This guy's site talks about using WVO without a two-tank setup of diesel and WVO, just by doing a little voodoo in the kitchen and adding some of his double super secret patented Formula X. Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil bidness" would be capable of hiding this technique from the world if it really existed. I must therefore conclude that it is complete and utter bull doodoo. Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. (credit to Dennis Miller) Alec Quoting john : > I was thinking that I've read something about this process before. > > When I had access to the Boeing Technical library I researched a lot > on Diesels and recall reading about this chemical process. It's not > some deep secret, it's out there... any chemist, petrochemical engineer > or physcist should be able to ferret it out of existing SAE type docs. > > Understanding what the chemical mixture is the question. PH balance > and the rearrangement of fat molecules is what's going on... kind of > like dishsoap or something like that. My chemistry background is > pretty humble... a little bit of organic at Intel, but that was over > 20 years ago... > > surely someone on the list can reverse engineer this issue... :) > > john > > > > On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Nick Eckert wrote: > > >-->Sorry guys, definitely not in. I smell a scam. A fool and his money > >-->are soon to be parted, and my money is far too precious. > >--> > >-->Question to ask, if this stuff is so great in Germany, why is it a > >-->secret and why can't you buy it direct? > >--> > >-->The voicemail phone number is in Louisiana. Smells too fishy for me. > >--> > >-->Cheers, > >--> > >-->Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bree kna Subject: [db] emissions test results car tags expire this month. I took my '84 300SD in for the recently-mandated diesel emissions test (gasoline cars have been required to test for 10+ years) here in Metro-Nashville. employee takes registration and $10 then, comences test. I notice he's not using the usual equipment, rather, he rolls over a two-wheeled cart made by Wagner that resembles a portable air compressor or welder. it has a couple of hoses attached. he attaches a vacuum cleaner-looking hose to the exhaust, runs it thru the wagner, then, into a connection thru the wall to the main processing unit (okay, into the PC that spits out the results). oh yeah, i believe that was the sequence, it's been a few days. well, the results came up fine... 1.2% of a allowed 10% "opacity" level. anywho, seemed like another way for the metro area to collect $10 per vehicle from the previously-free diesel crowd. i was worried due to the cars age / mileage (214k) but no sweat...Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:33:42 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] emissions test results Did you get a chance to see at what engine speed they measured? Just at idle, or did they do a dreaded no-load revving of the engine? Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of bree kna > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:27 PM > To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] emissions test results > > > car tags expire this month. I took my '84 300SD in > for the recently-mandated diesel emissions test > (gasoline cars have been required to test for 10+ > years) here in Metro-Nashville. > > employee takes registration and $10 then, comences > test. I notice he's not using the usual equipment, > rather, he rolls over a two-wheeled cart made by > Wagner that resembles a portable air compressor or > welder. it has a couple of hoses attached. he > attaches a vacuum cleaner-looking hose to the exhaust, > runs it thru the wagner, then, into a connection thru > the wall to the main processing unit (okay, into the > PC that spits out the results). oh yeah, i believe > that was the sequence, it's been a few days. > > well, the results came up fine... 1.2% of a allowed > 10% "opacity" level. anywho, seemed like another way > for the metro area to collect $10 per vehicle from the > previously-free diesel crowd. > > i was worried due to the cars age / mileage (214k) but > no sweat...Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:32:08 -0400 From: Jason R Bassett Subject: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? I sent a message to Diesel Secret and their response is below. By the way, Alec wrote: "Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil bidness" would be capable of hiding this technique from the world if it really existed. I must therefore conclude that it is complete and utter bull doodoo." My thoughts: John saw something along this line in the Boeing knowledge base. Is he doodoo? Is Boeing doodoo? The bottom line is really exactly what the "Secret" people say it is: until recently, nobody cared. Dino oil was cheap. Now it isn't. And yes, the "oil bidness" can hide just about anything it wants to. Example: a carburetor that made a Cadillac that normally got 5 MPG get 30.....in the 70s with no other mods...........the "oil bidness" is not a benevolent industry....... Jason - ---------------- Yes, our fuel is created from begetable oil. I would invite you to look over our FAQs at: http://dieselsecret.com/faq.htm#q8 Regarding your "snake oil" claims, they are not new to us. This fuel system is new to Americans. It is increasingly being chosen over biodiesel by many new fuel makers and biodiesel fans alike. Since many people have a great deal of money tied up in biodiesel and conversion sales, there are obviously many people who DON'T like us. Just scan the forums out there and take a look at what the so-called "knowledgeable" people who have NEVER used our system are saying. The difference between us is that we have tried biodiesel and conversions and we can honestly say they are good products. We merely believe ours is better. Best regards, DSE Team - --- Jason R Bassett wrote: > A friend gave me this link, and I have to > agree.....it sounds a bit like > snake oil. Please explain why I should believe that > this is a real thing. > BBB or something? What does it make it from? Veg > oil? > > Jason Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:26:01 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? Let's be careful here. Is that legendary carburetor really anything more than an urban legend? Does anybody know specifics or have a website with verifiable info? Did that carb limit the Caddy to 40HP and 40MPH? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jason R Bassett > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:32 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? > > > I sent a message to Diesel Secret and their response is below. > > By the way, Alec wrote: "Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil > bidness" would be capable of hiding this technique from the world if it > really existed. I must therefore conclude that it is complete and utter > bull doodoo." > > My thoughts: John saw something along this line in the Boeing knowledge > base. Is he doodoo? Is Boeing doodoo? The bottom line is really exactly > what the "Secret" people say it is: until recently, nobody cared. Dino > oil was cheap. Now it isn't. And yes, the "oil bidness" can hide just > about anything it wants to. Example: a carburetor that made a Cadillac > that normally got 5 MPG get 30.....in the 70s with no other > mods...........the "oil bidness" is not a benevolent industry....... > > Jason > > ---------------- > > Yes, our fuel is created from begetable oil. I would > invite you to look over our FAQs at: > http://dieselsecret.com/faq.htm#q8 > > Regarding your "snake oil" claims, they are not new to > us. This fuel system is new to Americans. It is > increasingly being chosen over biodiesel by many new > fuel makers and biodiesel fans alike. > > Since many people have a great deal of money tied up > in biodiesel and conversion sales, there are obviously > many people who DON'T like us. Just scan the forums > out there and take a look at what the so-called > "knowledgeable" people who have NEVER used our system > are saying. > > The difference between us is that we have tried > biodiesel and conversions and we can honestly say they > are good products. We merely believe ours is better. > > Best regards, > DSE Team > > > --- Jason R Bassett wrote: > > > A friend gave me this link, and I have to > > agree.....it sounds a bit like > > snake oil. Please explain why I should believe that > > this is a real thing. > > BBB or something? What does it make it from? Veg > > oil? > > > > Jason > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:11:41 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks) from the Northwest Biodiesel list... - -bkc Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D/W115.117 '00 MB ML320/W163.154 - ----- Forwarded message from David Goldsmith ----- From: David Goldsmith < d_l_goldsmith -at- yahoo.com > To: discussion -at- nwbiodiesel.org, Mercedes -at- striplin.net Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nwbd-discuss] Totaled my 240D (mostly for Seattle-area folks) List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , Hi, folks! So, it was bound to happen sooner or later, given the miles I was logging: I crumpled my '82 240D. :(( Despite severe front end damage, much of the engine (e.g., new battery, alternator, Viton fuel return lines, strong engine largely serviceable I think) and body (everything from the front doors back, new Goodyear tires) is usable. It sits in the tow lot at the NW corner of Mercer and Fairview in Seattle - if interested, please go inspect ASAP (-at- $31/day, I need to get it out of the lot ASAP) and email or call me at 360-481-3800 if you want to make an offer (e.g., you pay to tow away). Bummed, DG _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion -at- nwbiodiesel.org http://lists.nwbiodiesel.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:16:09 -0700 From: Charles Redell Subject: [db] more on the rabbit Hi all, Dayna and I have confirmed that no fuel is getting to the filter at this point on the 81 Diesel Rabbit that you all have been so kind to advise me on fixing. My working theory is that A)there is a bad feed line from the tank to the filter or that B) the injector pump itself has gone bad and stopped working. My questions: 1) Any hints on how to test the injector? 2) If the injector ends up being ok, we're looking to replace the metal fuel delivery line that runs under the car from the tank to the fuel filter but are having trouble finding that part. One friend called a couple of VW parts guys who said those aren't made anymore. Does anyone know if we might be able to find the part we need somewhere? Any ideas you have would be appreciated. 3) short of that, any thoughts on what can be used to replace those metal lines that would still be safe? Thanks! Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] more on the rabbit disconnect the line and attach a clean rubber hose into a clean jar of Diesel and try to start it... disconnect the metal lines front and rear and use an airgun to blow it out... john On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->Hi all, >--> >-->Dayna and I have confirmed that no fuel is getting to the filter at this >-->point on the 81 Diesel Rabbit that you all have been so kind to advise me on >-->fixing. My working theory is that A)there is a bad feed line from the tank >-->to the filter or that B) the injector pump itself has gone bad and stopped >-->working. >--> >-->My questions: >-->1) Any hints on how to test the injector? >-->2) If the injector ends up being ok, we're looking to replace the metal fuel >-->delivery line that runs under the car from the tank to the fuel filter but >-->are having trouble finding that part. One friend called a couple of VW parts >-->guys who said those aren't made anymore. Does anyone know if we might be >-->able to find the part we need somewhere? Any ideas you have would be >-->appreciated. >-->3) short of that, any thoughts on what can be used to replace those metal >-->lines that would still be safe? >--> >-->Thanks! >-->Charlie >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] biodiesel from garbage http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50900&id=2005091412530002601657 (leave it to the press to sidestep the real data... ;) john Offbeat News Wednesday, Sept. 14, 2005 Inventor: I never used dead cats for fuel BERLIN (Reuters) - A German inventor said he has developed a method to produce crude oil products from waste that he believes can be an answer to the soaring costs of fuel, but denied a German newspaper story implying he also used dead cats. Christian Koch, an inventor and patent holder of the "KDV 500" that he said produces high quality fuel, said he can transform waste products such as paper, rubbish and plastic materials into fuel. But Koch, 55, said there was no truth to stories published in Bild newspaper Tuesday and Wednesday that suggested he used dead cats as part of the mix for his organic diesel fuel. "I use paper, plastics, textiles and rubbish," Koch told Reuters. "It's an alternative fuel that is friendly for the environment. But it's complete nonsense to suggest dead cats. I've never used cats and would never think of that. At most the odd toad may have jumped in." Bild Tuesday wrote a headline: "German inventor can turn cats into fuel -- for a tank he needs 20 cats." The paper on Wednesday followed up with a story entitled: "Can you really make fuel out of cats?" A spokesman for Bild told Reuters the story was meant to show that cat remains could "in theory" be used to make fuel with Koch's patented method. The author of the story said Koch had never told him directly that he had used dead cats as the story implied. The website of Koch's firm, "Alphakat GmbH," says his patented "KDV 500" machine can produce what he calls the "bio-diesel" fuel at about 23 euro cents (30 cents) a liter, which is about one-fifth the price at petrol stations now. "I drive my normal diesel-powered car with this mixture," Koch is quoted saying in Bild, next to a large picture of a kitten. "I have gone 170,000 km (106,000 miles) without a problem. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1956 **********************************