From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 14 22:50:10 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, September 15 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1957 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] more on the rabbit [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D Re: [db] more on the rabbit Re: [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D RE: [db] more on the rabbit Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret RE: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:08:06 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] more on the rabbit Quoting john : > disconnect the line and attach a clean rubber hose into a clean jar of > Diesel and try to start it... > > disconnect the metal lines front and rear and use an airgun to blow it > out... > john > Heck, if it's any trouble reaching the back end of that metal line, just disconnect by the engine for John's first suggestion, then blow compressed air through the fuel line back to the tank. Wouldn't that work, as long as the filler cap is open? Alec ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:27:39 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D Followup to the wrecked 240D forwarded post. Not sure if anyone on this list was interested, but just in case... - -bkc - ----- Forwarded message from David Goldsmith ----- From: David Goldsmith To: discussion -at- nwbiodiesel.org Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D No one on this list has expressed any interest yet, but just in case, here's some relevant info solicited by interest at another list: > Sorry to hear that... is it stick or auto? What > mileage? Converted (to) stick; 2023XX miles, I think about 5K on the tires, unsure about the tranny. > Okay, thanks, forgot to ask before, does it start > and move under its own > power or is the front pushed in too badly? No, front is pushed in too badly, must be towed. (Plus, you wouldn't be safe driving the thing as is - can't open the front passenger door as is, so, God forbid, were you to get in another accident preventing driver egress, you'd be pretty much screwed if you had to get out in a hurry.) > Actually, what I am getting at is, could it be > driven up onto a transporter > as-is, does it steer and can you see over the hood. It steers and you can see over the hood, but the vehicle lost power upon collision and wouldn't restart when I tried to do that to drive the vehicle to the shoulder (lucky for me, an ambulance happened by almost immediately after the accident and after confirming that all humans were ok and then confirming that I couldn't start the vehicle, the EMT's pushed while I steered to the shoulder). However, I didn't try long or hard to start it, so I guess it's possible it might start. That's the "good" news. The bad news is that the lot won't allow 3rd parties not-accompanied-by-owner on the lot to look over vehicles. I won't be back in Seattle 'til tomorrow morning, but then I'll be happy to meet interested parties at the lot to show the vehicle. (I have to go by it anyway at some point to get the rest of my personal belongings). Also, a clarification: "you tow" is obviously a "minimum bid" - there really is a good deal of value still in/on the car, so a "best offer" will include some cash in addition to removing the vehicle. Thanks again, DG - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:27:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] more on the rabbit yes, very true, but you could damage the sock on the end of the pickup that way... john On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >-->Quoting john : >--> >-->> disconnect the line and attach a clean rubber hose into a clean jar of >-->> Diesel and try to start it... >-->> >-->> disconnect the metal lines front and rear and use an airgun to blow it >-->> out... >-->> john >-->> >--> >-->Heck, if it's any trouble reaching the back end of that metal line, just >-->disconnect by the engine for John's first suggestion, then blow compressed >-->air >-->through the fuel line back to the tank. Wouldn't that work, as long as the >-->filler cap is open? >--> >-->Alec >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Fwd: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D tempting... I have that '92 xj with a dead engine in my drive... thankfully the temptation of a 4 cyl isn't as great as a 5. ;) john On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Followup to the wrecked 240D forwarded post. >--> >-->Not sure if anyone on this list was interested, >-->but just in case... >--> >-->-bkc >--> >-->----- Forwarded message from David Goldsmith ----- >--> >-->From: David Goldsmith >-->To: discussion -at- nwbiodiesel.org >-->Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:11:16 -0700 (PDT) >-->Subject: [nwbd-discuss] More on totaled 240D >--> >--> >-->No one on this list has expressed any interest yet, >-->but just in case, here's some relevant info solicited >-->by interest at another list: >--> >-->> Sorry to hear that... is it stick or auto? What >-->> mileage? >--> >-->Converted (to) stick; 2023XX miles, I think about 5K >-->on the tires, unsure about the tranny. >--> >-->> Okay, thanks, forgot to ask before, does it start >-->> and move under its own >-->> power or is the front pushed in too badly? >--> >-->No, front is pushed in too badly, must be towed. >-->(Plus, you wouldn't be safe driving the thing as is - >-->can't open the front passenger door as is, so, God >-->forbid, were you to get in another accident preventing >-->driver egress, you'd be pretty much screwed if you had >-->to get out in a hurry.) >--> >-->> Actually, what I am getting at is, could it be >-->> driven up onto a transporter >-->> as-is, does it steer and can you see over the hood. >--> >-->It steers and you can see over the hood, but the >-->vehicle lost power upon collision and wouldn't restart >-->when I tried to do that to drive the vehicle to the >-->shoulder (lucky for me, an ambulance happened by >-->almost immediately after the accident and after >-->confirming that all humans were ok and then confirming >-->that I couldn't start the vehicle, the EMT's pushed >-->while I steered to the shoulder). However, I didn't >-->try long or hard to start it, so I guess it's possible >-->it might start. That's the "good" news. >--> >-->The bad news is that the lot won't allow 3rd parties >-->not-accompanied-by-owner on the lot to look over >-->vehicles. I won't be back in Seattle 'til tomorrow >-->morning, but then I'll be happy to meet interested >-->parties at the lot to show the vehicle. (I have to go >-->by it anyway at some point to get the rest of my >-->personal belongings). >--> >-->Also, a clarification: "you tow" is obviously a >-->"minimum bid" - there really is a good deal of value >-->still in/on the car, so a "best offer" will include >-->some cash in addition to removing the vehicle. >--> >-->Thanks again, >--> >-->DG >--> >-->----- End forwarded message ----- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:45:19 -0700 From: "derick" Subject: RE: [db] more on the rabbit < >Dayna and I have confirmed that no fuel is getting to the filter at this >point on the 81 Diesel Rabbit that you all have been so kind to advise me >on >fixing. My working theory is that A)there is a bad feed line from the tank >to the filter or that B) the injector pump itself has gone bad and stopped >working. > Okay does that mean you know there are no blockages in the supply/return line(s) between the filter/injection pump and the tank? If I recall correctly a new filter was introduced into the system. The injection pump does not have the capacity to draw fuel up into an empty filter. The filter must be filled with fuel and then spun on. I use an air hose to prime the system via the return line. < >My questions: >1) Any hints on how to test the injector? > John's suggestions made previous is a good idea: Disconnect your supply line from the top of the fuel filter and put it in a jar of diesel fuel, prime the pump and start it. That will confirm the Injection pump and injectors are functioning. . < >2) If the injector ends up being ok, we're looking to replace the metal >fuel >delivery line that runs under the car from the tank to the fuel filter but >are having trouble finding that part. One friend called a couple of VW >parts >guys who said those aren't made anymore. Does anyone know if we might be >able to find the part we need somewhere? Any ideas you have would be >appreciated. > If you confirm this line is bad. Plugged beyond the point where compressed air can't help. A junkyard maybe your last hope. < >3) short of that, any thoughts on what can be used to replace those metal >lines that would still be safe? > I would NOT replace them with anything other than metal because of road debris. If my 1981 truck were doing this here is the steps I would follow 1. Prime the system with air pressure through the return line and the fuel cap on and the supply line connected to the injection pump removed. Try to start the engine. Priming the system this way will tell you allot. 2. Test the Injection pump using before recommended procedure. I have this diesel engine in my 1981 rabbit truck if you have any questions let me know. Good luck Derick - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.25/102 - Release Date: 9/14/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:45:25 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret Alec wrote: > Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil bidness" would be capable of > hiding this technique from the world if it really existed. I must therefore > conclude that it is complete and utter bull doodoo. > > Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. (credit to Dennis > Miller) > > Alec Googling for "diesel secret energy" (in quotes) produces a whole lot of info. None that I've seen says it's worth even entertainment value... Here's one: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8376 Have fun! ;) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:07:41 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: RE: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? Well, I was actually around in the 70's as was Alec and John. ;) I remember reading about that carburator and I also remember reading about other trying to do the same thing and severly burning themselves when the carbs *blew up*. It was very dangerous and not viable for the general public. So I can't consider it a serious option... Jim > Let's be careful here. Is that legendary carburetor really anything more > than an urban legend? Does anybody know specifics or have a website with > verifiable info? Did that carb limit the Caddy to 40HP and 40MPH? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Jason R Bassett > > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:32 PM > > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: [db] A very good sign: Fw: Re: Explanation? What is this? > > > > > > I sent a message to Diesel Secret and their response is below. > > > > By the way, Alec wrote: "Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil > > bidness" would be capable of hiding this technique from the world if it > > really existed. I must therefore conclude that it is complete and utter > > bull doodoo." > > > > My thoughts: John saw something along this line in the Boeing knowledge > > base. Is he doodoo? Is Boeing doodoo? The bottom line is really exactly > > what the "Secret" people say it is: until recently, nobody cared. Dino > > oil was cheap. Now it isn't. And yes, the "oil bidness" can hide just > > about anything it wants to. Example: a carburetor that made a Cadillac > > that normally got 5 MPG get 30.....in the 70s with no other > > mods...........the "oil bidness" is not a benevolent industry....... > > > > Jason > > > > ---------------- > > > > Yes, our fuel is created from begetable oil. I would > > invite you to look over our FAQs at: > > http://dieselsecret.com/faq.htm#q8 > > > > Regarding your "snake oil" claims, they are not new to > > us. This fuel system is new to Americans. It is > > increasingly being chosen over biodiesel by many new > > fuel makers and biodiesel fans alike. > > > > Since many people have a great deal of money tied up > > in biodiesel and conversion sales, there are obviously > > many people who DON'T like us. Just scan the forums > > out there and take a look at what the so-called > > "knowledgeable" people who have NEVER used our system > > are saying. > > > > The difference between us is that we have tried > > biodiesel and conversions and we can honestly say they > > are good products. We merely believe ours is better. > > > > Best regards, > > DSE Team > > > > > > --- Jason R Bassett wrote: > > > > > A friend gave me this link, and I have to > > > agree.....it sounds a bit like > > > snake oil. Please explain why I should believe that > > > this is a real thing. > > > BBB or something? What does it make it from? Veg > > > oil? > > > > > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:16:15 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret Jim Hoffman wrote: Alec wrote: Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil bidness" would be capable of hiding this technique from the world if it really existed. I must therefore conclude that it is complete and utter bull doodoo. Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. (credit to Dennis Miller) Alec Googling for "diesel secret energy" (in quotes) produces a whole lot of info. None that I've seen says it's worth even entertainment value... Here's one: http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8376 Have fun! ;) Jim Xylene and Benzene are both highly carcinogenic. Methyl alcohol and lye seem safe to handle by comparison! Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA '86 300 SDL '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 6.9L F350 Crew Cab ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: Diesel Secret xylene is some nasty stuff... was used in negative photoresist in the semiconductor biz... glad they quit using it... john On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >--> Jim Hoffman wrote: >--> >--> Alec wrote: >--> >--> >--> Even this cynic (me) can't believe the "oil bidness" would be capable of >--> hiding this technique from the world if it really existed. I must >--> >--> therefore >--> >--> conclude that it is complete and utter bull doodoo. >--> >--> Then again, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. (credit to Dennis >--> Miller) >--> >--> Alec >--> >--> Googling for "diesel secret energy" (in quotes) produces a whole lot of >--> info. None that I've seen says it's worth even entertainment value... >--> >--> Here's one: >--> http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8376 >--> Have fun! >--> >--> ;) >--> >--> Jim >--> >-->Xylene and Benzene are both highly carcinogenic. Methyl alcohol and lye >-->seem safe to handle by comparison! >--> >-->Greg Fiorentino >-->Vancouver USA >-->'86 300 SDL >-->'84 300D Turbo >-->'79 300TD >-->'85 6.9L F350 Crew Cab >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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