From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Oct 6 07:17:32 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, October 6 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1977 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] diesel-benz-digest V1 #1976 [db] fuel prices - 4 oct 05 [db] OT question on intake manifolds [db] RE: OT question on intake manifolds Re: [db] the saga of the 124 Re: [db] the saga of the 124 Re: [db] the saga of the 124 Re: [db] OT question on intake manifolds Re: [db] OT question on intake manifolds Re: [db] the saga of the 124 Re: [db] the saga of the 124 [db] euro lights! Re: [db] the saga of the 124 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:18:58 +0000 From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) Subject: [db] diesel-benz-digest V1 #1976 diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, October 5 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1976 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] oh the temptation... [db] the saga of the 124 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 18:08:02 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] oh the temptation... Jason R Bassett wrote: Call Metric Motors http://www.mercedesengines.net/ or 800-622-6867 and they can probably tell you what it is likely to be AND how hard they are to rebuild AND how much for them to do it....... Great people, by the way....I was going to send them my junked up piston and rod and they were willing to find me a piston (possibly even good used) with new rings for around 100 bucks (or less if they could find me a good used one) and even put the rod on the replacement. Pity that the cylinder wall is cavitated....... Jason On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:44:10 -0700 (PDT) john writes: a dead one. ;) don't know, afraid to ask for the fear of wanting it... ;) john On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: -->So, what engine do you suppose is in there? --> -->Jim --> -->> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7542426114 -->> -->> john This reminds me of an APril issue a long time ago of Car & Driver or Road & Track. They did a road test of IIRC a MB 4000GT vehicle with some very strange specs. In the end the photos revealed that GT did NOT stand for Grand Turismo but rather...Garbage Truck! Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA '86 300 SDL '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '85 6.9L F350 Crew Cab - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] the saga of the 124 talked to bruce today... still in the twin cities... the benz dealership found a problem with his turbo... needs a vacuum transducer now... has to wait until thursday. :( not a terribly expensive part, but fixing it will make getting over the passes so much more enjoyable. :) In other 124 news I've located USED Euro lights in Europe. Seeing if I can get more than one or two sets that way. :) One of my FSJ buddies over there has found them. I'm somewhat excited, it's the last mod I want to do on my 300D, other than maybe having the windows tinted... ;) john ---- - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1976 ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] fuel prices - 4 oct 05 driving home I noticed that Diesel at one place was up to $3.25, another at $3.17... gas is "only" 2.79 in most places. Did some math last night to see if it made sense to drive a 20mpg gas Jeep over a 30mpg Diesel Mercedes... considering the .38/gal difference (last night, prices went up. ;) using 1,290 miles per week as the base, the 20mpg 2.79/gal gas Cherokee costs $180 (64.5 gallons used) the 30mpg 3.17/gal Diesel Benz costs $136 (43 gallons used) looking forward to a shorter commute... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT question on intake manifolds Got a crazy thought... ok, so I have several.... anyway, wondering if there are any aftermarket (read lightweight aluminum) intake manifolds that would bolt up to my 6.2L Diesel. Shaving some weight off of that engine and allowing it to breath a bit would help economy two ways... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: OT question on intake manifolds On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->I didn't think breathing was a problem on diesels - lower rpm, no air throttle. Yet turbocharging is definitely the way to go to improve efficiency. It's very late. >--> I'm looking to save weight... but am getting some very cool ideas for air intake... :) but it must be quiet... so tubing with bends will be required... back in the early 80's gm was working on a 442 style Diesel, 4speed manual with a 5.7L Diesel with velocity stacks... each cylinder had it's own "pipe"... see where I'm heading with this? :) save weight and breath... we'll see... ;) reading up on some other cool Diesel tricks: http://www.thedieselpage.com/features/leefilt.htm for example: the electric lift pump was purchased from Autozone, part no. E 8012 S, for $39.95. Autozone is also now selling genuine AC fuel pumps, but the price is about twice what I paid. I tested my new pump with diesel fuel, and found that it draws 1.5 amps while pumping. The result: 0 to 60 in just 11.1 seconds...... We don.t need no stinking turbo! Are there any additional 6.2L NA performance mods in my future? What else would I do to my happy little naturally aspirated 6.2L, if I were in the mood? Perhaps the exhaust manifolds would get some attention. Matching the ports to the heads would have to help. I think a friend has a copy of this... will check. :) http://www.thedieselpage.com/62book.htm That this site talks about the driveline I'm putting in my J10 is encouraging. :) john >-->- Landon >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 11:30 PM >-->To: diesel-benz list; full size jeep list; xj-list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com >-->Cc: Jeepbuilder-at-comcast.net >-->Subject: fsj: OT question on intake manifolds >--> >--> >-->Got a crazy thought... ok, so I have several.... >--> >-->anyway, wondering if there are any aftermarket (read lightweight aluminum) >-->intake manifolds that would bolt up to my 6.2L Diesel. Shaving >-->some weight off of that engine and allowing it to breath a bit >-->would help economy two ways... >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 oh yes, this is quite true, but when the sun does appear in Washington (Western Washington that is) it's fierce... making up for lost time. I recall hearing data that they sell more sunglasses per capita in Seattle than any other place... :) How many other places in the world have traffic reports that blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". Serious. john On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Paul Brown wrote: > -->And you need tinted windows in your climate for why, exactly? You're not > -->likely to see the sun until next August. > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> One of my FSJ buddies over there has found them. I'm somewhat > -->> excited, it's the last mod I want to do on my 300D, other > -->> than maybe having the windows tinted... ;) > -->> > -->> > --> > -->------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --> > --> > --> > -->* * * > -->Paul H. Brown, Esq. > -->Wood, Maines & Brown, Chartered > -->1827 Jefferson Place, N.W. > -->Washington, DC 20036 > -->Tel 202.293.5333 > -->Fax 202.293.9811 > -->E-mail Brown-at-LegalCompass.com > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:15:52 -0500 From: Jan Guthrie Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 John asks: How many other places in the world have traffic reports that blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". John, I would suggest that most if not every major city .. (around here Chicago and Milwaukee ...) with major commuting routes that run east and west.... Which roads have the most problems depend upon the time of the year and hence the relative height and exact angle of sun at commuting time. Jan ... the victim of many sunshine delays.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 ok, but do your weather people predict "sun breaks"? :) john On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Jan Guthrie wrote: >-->John asks: >--> >-->How many other places in the world have traffic reports that >-->blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". >--> >-->John, >-->I would suggest that most if not every major city .. (around here Chicago and >-->Milwaukee ...) with major commuting routes that run east and west.... >--> >-->Which roads have the most problems depend upon the time of the year and hence the >-->relative height and exact angle of sun at commuting time. >--> >-->Jan ... the victim of many sunshine delays.. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:32:56 -0700 From: "John E Culver" Subject: Re: [db] OT question on intake manifolds Your 6.2 intake is already aluminum. Get am intake off of a 1 ton they breath better John Culver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] OT question on intake manifolds On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, John E Culver wrote: > -->Your 6.2 intake is already aluminum. > -->Get am intake off of a 1 ton they breath better > -->John Culver cool. thanx. this is what I'm talking about... great idea. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:48:25 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:00:08AM -0700, john wrote: > I recall hearing data that they sell more sunglasses per capita in > Seattle than any other place... :) That's because it isn't sunny often enough for people to remember where their sunglasses are. > How many other places in the world have traffic reports that > blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". You ain't kidding. Last time I drove in Washington it was raining, but when the sun came out everyone stopped thinking an alien invasion was taking place. K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Kevin wrote: >-->On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 08:00:08AM -0700, john wrote: >-->> I recall hearing data that they sell more sunglasses per capita in >-->> Seattle than any other place... :) >--> >-->That's because it isn't sunny often enough for people to remember where >-->their sunglasses are. >--> >-->> How many other places in the world have traffic reports that >-->> blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". >--> >-->You ain't kidding. Last time I drove in Washington it was raining, but >-->when the sun came out everyone stopped thinking an alien invasion was >-->taking place. >--> >-->K coming from the midwest it's hard to imagine why we call "rain" storms... especially if the wind is blowing at all... after 20+ years in the pacific northwest I've grown used to gray skies and mizzle. Raindrops hurt. ;) amazing place... couldn't imagine living anywhere else despite the lack of sunshine, horrific traffic, outrageous taxes, liberals coming out of the closet and woodwork and the general soggy nature of things. :) it's green here almost all year long... :) and jeeps don't rust... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 15:03:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] euro lights! a friend of mine from the FSJ list in Europe has located a set of used 124 euro lights for me. he may be able to locate more... any one interested? catch me off list... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:05:36 -0400 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] the saga of the 124 We're getting into the "sunshine" commute season now. There are long stretches of highway where you're looking right at the setting sun. Apparently people don't know how to operate visors and/or sunglasses, because this frequently causes the traffic to grind to a halt and add another half hour to my 1.5 hour commute. Obviously, I'm not thrilled about it. J.B. At 11:00 AM 10/5/2005, you wrote: >oh yes, this is quite true, but when the sun does appear >in Washington (Western Washington that is) it's fierce... making >up for lost time. I recall hearing data that they sell more >sunglasses per capita in Seattle than any other place... :) > >How many other places in the world have traffic reports that >blame slowdowns and accidents on sunshine? "Sunshine delays". > >Serious. > >john > >On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Paul Brown wrote: > > > -->And you need tinted windows in your climate for why, > exactly? You're not > > -->likely to see the sun until next August. > > --> > > -->john wrote: > > --> > > -->> One of my FSJ buddies over there has found them. I'm somewhat > > -->> excited, it's the last mod I want to do on my 300D, other > > -->> than maybe having the windows tinted... ;) > > -->> > > -->> > > --> > > > -->------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > --> > > --> > > --> > > -->* * * > > -->Paul H. Brown, Esq. > > -->Wood, Maines & Brown, Chartered > > -->1827 Jefferson Place, N.W. > > -->Washington, DC 20036 > > -->Tel 202.293.5333 > > -->Fax 202.293.9811 > > -->E-mail Brown-at-LegalCompass.com > > --> > > --> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/119 - Release Date: 10/4/2005 J.B. Hebert - ---------------------------------------------- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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