From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 21 04:01:23 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 21 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1994 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD Re: [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars [db] anyone near Portland, OR? Re: [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars [db] Todays article - and I still love my 300D! [db] Second article Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:00:08 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars >I did however get some time in the recent evenings to finish & >photograph my WVO filter setup. You can see a pic of it here: > > D'oh! I forgot my domain is being used to test-drive a new DNS server. Try this link instead: - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:29:13 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD A friend/neighbor of mine has a 91 350SD. Yes, that SD, although he claims not to have experienced any internal engine problems yet. He called me yesterday about a new problem. All of a sudden, his tach dropped out and idle got rough. His A/C compressor shut off, too, but I'm confident that's a result of the dead tach. He wants to try to trace this down if it's a straightforward electrical problem, but he has no wiring diagrams for his beast. So, I figure I can get him started if someone can tell me where the tach pickup lives on a 91 350SD. Thanks, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 194K ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:35:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD the hall effect sensor on my '83 300SD sat on the front of the engine, a royal pain to replace... suspect it'll be in the same neighborhood on his... john On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->A friend/neighbor of mine has a 91 350SD. Yes, that SD, although he claims >-->not to have experienced any internal engine problems yet. >--> >-->He called me yesterday about a new problem. All of a sudden, his tach >-->dropped out and idle got rough. His A/C compressor shut off, too, but I'm >-->confident that's a result of the dead tach. >--> >-->He wants to try to trace this down if it's a straightforward electrical >-->problem, but he has no wiring diagrams for his beast. >--> >-->So, I figure I can get him started if someone can tell me where the tach >-->pickup lives on a 91 350SD. >--> >-->Thanks, >-->Alec Cordova >-->Taylor, Texas >-->89 300CE, 194K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->> I did however get some time in the recent evenings to finish & > -->> photograph my WVO filter setup. You can see a pic of it here: > -->> > -->D'oh! I forgot my domain is being used to test-drive a new DNS server. Try > -->this link instead: > --> way cool. Need to build something like that, and then have my neighbor come over with his backhoe to lift my NOW full barrels up there. ;) You need to get one of those plastic barrels like I have chuck, I've got a screen that fits over the opening, no funnel needed... and a spigot on the bottom... of course that doesn't do me any good NOW... I estimate these barrels weigh around 500lbs each... 55 gallons X 3... plus 5 gallons in one of my cans... still haven't put any into the barrel that will fit my manual pump... kind of ironic, eh? I'll check with the burger place to find out when they'll have more oil... My adventure in Seattle is drawing to a close, Friday, Monday, Tuesday and then Wednesday... of course I have to go down to Seattle for orientation on Friday... but then, then I only have to go to Everett!!! :) oh yeah, you still have that large tank over at my neighbor's farm to retrieve. that'll work nicely up on that ledge... you're going to have more oil than you can burn... you're gonna have to trade momma's gas burnin' dodge in for a cummins... or put a Diesel into your Jag. ;) Your TDI isn't going to be able to use all of this with blending, you're going to have to make your own biodiesel. :) And I need to extend the roof of my carport to make a nice cozy home for my "new" '48 Willys CJ-2a that my son is driving up from AZ in December. Of course it's going to cost me one of my 6.2L Diesel rigs, some cash, a set of tires and yet to be determined restrictions. ;) I thought about putting a small Mercedes Diesel into it, but decided against it. :) It's going to be a full resto. john 91 300d, soon - 83 J10 stepside with 6.2L Diesel and a 48 willys cj2... and of course a '99 wj... > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > --> > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) > -->arlington, wa, usa wow: http://chuck.forest.net/jag/65_Jag%20009.jpg that is beautiful... (still think it needs a Diesel though... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:29:43 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars >You need to get one of those plastic barrels like I have chuck, I've >got a screen that fits over the opening, no funnel needed... and a spigot >on the bottom... Well, I figured since I was lifting the oil up to chest height, while already a meter off the ground, I could use the biggest target I could find. =) I imagine it will get slippery up there after a while too, further affecting accuracy. >still haven't put any into the barrel that will >fit my manual pump... kind of ironic, eh? Sounds like a classic chicken/egg problem. >oh yeah, you still have that large tank over at my neighbor's farm >to retrieve. >that'll work nicely up on that ledge... I have NO idea HOW I could get that out of the bed of the pickup, and into the barn. I have no lifting gear here at all, and that part of the barn is like your carport - the overhead beams are not sturdy enough to use as a lift point. >you're going to have more oil >than you can burn... you're gonna have to trade momma's gas burnin' >dodge in for a cummins... You know... about two years ago I started looking to replace all of our cars (minus the E-type of course) with Diesels. That is how we ended up with my TDI. I looked at Dodge pickups, and almost traded hers in... but the local Dodge dealer made the negotiations so painful I literally walked out and drove away (with the sales guy chasing me on foot!) I started looking pretty hard for an MB sedan for the wife last year and a half, but never found the right one at the right price (I passed on a 2.5 like yours that was very nice and a couple of 300SD & SDL's that I kick myself now for letting go. I am sometimes too patient for my own good. The money went into other things (notably a new well and furnace for our house.) We started looking again, now the wife decided she wants a VW. Guess what? You can't find a TDI at any dealer in western WA. They are gone now as soon as they hit the lot. The dealers are asking $4k to $6 premium for them(!) Insane. >or put a Diesel into your Jag. ;) Over my dead body. =P Come on up here some sunny day John and I'll let you take it for a drive. Imagine more torque than the beefiest turbo Diesel and you might be close to what that XK engine puts out. It is a dream to drive... just as it is. I'm OK with the minor modifications that is has (wider wheels, better brakes, aluminum radiator, Hitachi alternator, etc) since those were done to improve on minor systems with known issues. BUT that engine is legendary (won Le Mans half a dozen times; produced for 40-some years; powered everything from race cars, to limos, to tanks; etc) to remove that engine would be like ripping out the car's heart. It would reduce the car's value by 2/3rds, not that I'd ever sell it. It is a piece of history, I'm only here to take car of it for a while. >Your TDI isn't >going to be able to use all of this with blending, you're going to have to >make your own biodiesel. :) I am a network engineer, not a chemist. If you (or anyone else) wants to come up here and perform some alchemy, feel free! I'm not ready for that myself yet. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:54:05 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] anyone near Portland, OR? Hey all. My wife has some training stuff she is almost definitely going to in Portland on Nov. 4th and 5th, and I will be accompanying her down there. Her training is on Friday the 4th from 4-8pm, and possibly midday for an hour or two on Saturday. So, I'll be just kind of hanging around for that time, if any of you are in the area and want to meet up. Probably will be driving the "new" '93 300D. Hopefully no breakdown woes this trip! Cheers, -bkc Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] '92 Toyota Celica GT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:03:48 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 09:29:13PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > A friend/neighbor of mine has a 91 350SD. Yes, that SD, although he claims > not to have experienced any internal engine problems yet. > > He called me yesterday about a new problem. All of a sudden, his tach > dropped out and idle got rough. His A/C compressor shut off, too, but I'm > confident that's a result of the dead tach. > > He wants to try to trace this down if it's a straightforward electrical > problem, but he has no wiring diagrams for his beast. > > So, I figure I can get him started if someone can tell me where the tach > pickup lives on a 91 350SD. Don't know that I'd suspect the hall effect sensor first. The 91 has electronically controlled idle (like any other 603). The A/C probably shut itself off to keep the car running, but could be because of the dead tach. I'd probably try to locate the ELR (electronic idle control), which if it was an 87 300D/TD it is on the driver's side near the fuse box - it's a relay with a seven position switch that should be pointed at 3 or 4. I'd try changing the setting on that to see if it changes anything. There is a mess of sensors that feed it which the electrical manual could be helpful with. Another possibility is clogged fuel filters, but above all, CHECK THE FUSES. Three electrical oddities popping up all at once is suspicious for fuses, especially in a fifteen year old car. K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:48:12 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars No chicken and egg problem, just some more money out of wallet. Go buy another empty barrel, install it at the desired height, use manual (or electric) pump to pump out lower barrel into upper barrel. Simple and no back breaking involved :-) Edward chuck goolsbee wrote: >> You need to get one of those plastic barrels like I have chuck, I've >> got a screen that fits over the opening, no funnel needed... and a >> spigot >> on the bottom... > > > Well, I figured since I was lifting the oil up to chest height, while > already a meter off the ground, I could use the biggest target I could > find. =) > > I imagine it will get slippery up there after a while too, further > affecting accuracy. > > >> still haven't put any into the barrel that will >> fit my manual pump... kind of ironic, eh? > > > Sounds like a classic chicken/egg problem. > > >> oh yeah, you still have that large tank over at my neighbor's farm to >> retrieve. >> that'll work nicely up on that ledge... > > > I have NO idea HOW I could get that out of the bed of the pickup, and > into the barn. I have no lifting gear here at all, and that part of > the barn is like your carport - the overhead beams are not sturdy > enough to use as a lift point. > > >> you're going to have more oil >> than you can burn... you're gonna have to trade momma's gas burnin' >> dodge in for a cummins... > > > You know... about two years ago I started looking to replace all of > our cars (minus the E-type of course) with Diesels. That is how we > ended up with my TDI. > > I looked at Dodge pickups, and almost traded hers in... but the local > Dodge dealer made the negotiations so painful I literally walked out > and drove away (with the sales guy chasing me on foot!) > > I started looking pretty hard for an MB sedan for the wife last year > and a half, but never found the right one at the right price (I passed > on a 2.5 like yours that was very nice and a couple of 300SD & SDL's > that I kick myself now for letting go. I am sometimes too patient for > my own good. The money went into other things (notably a new well and > furnace for our house.) > > We started looking again, now the wife decided she wants a VW. Guess > what? You can't find a TDI at any dealer in western WA. They are gone > now as soon as they hit the lot. The dealers are asking $4k to $6 > premium for them(!) Insane. > > >> or put a Diesel into your Jag. ;) > > > Over my dead body. =P > > Come on up here some sunny day John and I'll let you take it for a > drive. Imagine more torque than the beefiest turbo Diesel and you > might be close to what that XK engine puts out. It is a dream to > drive... just as it is. > > I'm OK with the minor modifications that is has (wider wheels, better > brakes, aluminum radiator, Hitachi alternator, etc) since those were > done to improve on minor systems with known issues. BUT that engine is > legendary (won Le Mans half a dozen times; produced for 40-some years; > powered everything from race cars, to limos, to tanks; etc) to remove > that engine would be like ripping out the car's heart. It would reduce > the car's value by 2/3rds, not that I'd ever sell it. It is a piece of > history, I'm only here to take car of it for a while. > > > >> Your TDI isn't >> going to be able to use all of this with blending, you're going to >> have to >> make your own biodiesel. :) > > > I am a network engineer, not a chemist. If you (or anyone else) wants > to come up here and perform some alchemy, feel free! I'm not ready for > that myself yet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:50:53 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Todays article - and I still love my 300D! Diesel Deliverance? By Eric Peters 10/16/05 We could be driving powerful, stylish vehicles that get 35-45 mpg, if we lived in Europe. In the UK, land of $4-$6 per gallon gas, about half the passenger cars in service are diesel-powered and not just ancient Mercedes 300Ds chuffing along in the left lane at 45 mph, either. There are sleek and swift high-performance diesel luxury sedans like the BMW 530d with 231 horsepower and 369 pounds per foot of torque, capable of 155 mph on the top and 0-60 in 6.8 seconds. Or how about the Land Rover LR3? Its 2.7-liter turbo-diesel V6 delivers 190 horsepower and 35 mpg on the highway. That's Honda Civic mileage from a two-ton, mid-size 4x4 SUV. Just a sampling for you. In Europe, buyers can choose from dozens of vehicles, in all classes, sizes and price ranges with efficient diesel power. We, in contrast, have virtually no choice when it comes to diesel-powered passenger vehicles. Mercedes and VW, and that's it. Instead, we're offered gas-electric hybrids, which are fine but far from inexpensive (thus, far from economical). Hybrids cost around $2,000-$10,000 more to buy than conventional, gas-only versions of the same car with similar trim and equipment. Even at $3 per gallon, you'll have to burn an awful lot of fuel before reaching the break-even point. Indeed, a number of recent stories have done the math and found that for the average buyer a hybrid can be more expensive to operate than a gas-guzzling conventional car. And there's always the risk--downplayed by the automakers but real, nonetheless--that down-the-road maintenance costs of complex hybrid technology (especially the battery pack) could be very expensive indeed. Meanwhile, the diesel engine is rock solid, proven technology, 100 years old and refined to the nth degree. Modern passenger car diesels, in addition to being as indestructible as the Terminator, are also smooth, quiet and very powerful. They now match or surpass equivalent gas engines in every category of performance and blow them away when it comes to economy: six seconds to 60 and 40 mpg. Good luck finding that in a gas-powered anything. Read More >> COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 06:52:27 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: [db] Second article Diesel Deliverance? By Eric Peters 10/16/05 So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a conspiracy? The evil machinations of the Illuminati? Nope. The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel that's available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for modern high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is laden with sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel passenger car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your Pinto. The results, in both cases, are not pretty. European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, low-sulfur content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad stuff--clouds of smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over the past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the sooty, high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, apparently, was good enough for us. (Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, right? Right.) This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in Europe. The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run properly on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential problems in terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next to the IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a target on your back. So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly sometime in 2007, we'll just have to wait. And pay. Comment on this article in the Automobile Forum . COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1994 **********************************