From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 21 09:27:02 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 21 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1995 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] anyone near Portland, OR? Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article Re: [Mercedes] [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:09:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] anyone near Portland, OR? ok, there is a German Deli on Powell & 13th, Edelweiss Deli... they have a great assortment of German Sausages, Bratwursts and imported goodies, candies and even some adult beverages.... but I'll go down and get my own, but you should check it out. ;) Where is her training down there? I'll fill you in on specific area interests... I moved up from Portland 20 years ago, but still get down there several times a year. :) BTW, there is an Amsoil warehouse down in Tigard, you can save shipping by picking it up there, it would have to be prepaid through a dealer, I think... but can certainly arrange for you to pick up there if you're interested, will save you some bucks. Portland is a beautiful city... hmmm... with my new found freedom coming up in a few weeks I may take a trip down there.... :) john On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Hey all. >--> >-->My wife has some training stuff she is almost >-->definitely going to in Portland on Nov. 4th and >-->5th, and I will be accompanying her down there. >--> >-->Her training is on Friday the 4th from 4-8pm, >-->and possibly midday for an hour or two on >-->Saturday. So, I'll be just kind of hanging >-->around for that time, if any of you are in the >-->area and want to meet up. Probably will be >-->driving the "new" '93 300D. >--> >-->Hopefully no breakdown woes this trip! >--> >-->Cheers, >--> -bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >-->'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] >-->'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] >-->'92 Toyota Celica GT >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars got a recommendation for an electric pump that can handle veggie oil? I tried one from northern hydraulics that kept popping fuses, couldn't do it, even without a filter in line... :( I have a graingers catalog, just haven't had time to look for one and don't care to spend more on a pump than I do on most of my project vehicles. ;) john On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->No chicken and egg problem, just some more money out of wallet. Go buy > -->another empty barrel, install it at the desired height, use manual (or > -->electric) pump to pump out lower barrel into upper barrel. Simple and no > -->back breaking involved :-) > --> > -->Edward > --> > -->chuck goolsbee wrote: > --> > -->> > You need to get one of those plastic barrels like I have chuck, > -->> > I've > -->> > got a screen that fits over the opening, no funnel needed... and a > -->> > spigot > -->> > on the bottom... > -->> > -->> > -->> Well, I figured since I was lifting the oil up to chest height, while > -->> already a meter off the ground, I could use the biggest target I could > -->> find. =) > -->> > -->> I imagine it will get slippery up there after a while too, further > -->> affecting accuracy. > -->> > -->> > -->> > still haven't put any into the barrel that will > -->> > fit my manual pump... kind of ironic, eh? > -->> > -->> > -->> Sounds like a classic chicken/egg problem. > -->> > -->> > -->> > oh yeah, you still have that large tank over at my neighbor's farm > -->> > to retrieve. > -->> > that'll work nicely up on that ledge... > -->> > -->> > -->> I have NO idea HOW I could get that out of the bed of the pickup, and > -->> into the barn. I have no lifting gear here at all, and that part of the > -->> barn is like your carport - the overhead beams are not sturdy enough to > -->> use as a lift point. > -->> > -->> > -->> > you're going to have more oil > -->> > than you can burn... you're gonna have to trade momma's gas burnin' > -->> > dodge in for a cummins... > -->> > -->> > -->> You know... about two years ago I started looking to replace all of our > -->> cars (minus the E-type of course) with Diesels. That is how we ended up > -->> with my TDI. > -->> > -->> I looked at Dodge pickups, and almost traded hers in... but the local > -->> Dodge dealer made the negotiations so painful I literally walked out > -->> and drove away (with the sales guy chasing me on foot!) > -->> > -->> I started looking pretty hard for an MB sedan for the wife last year > -->> and a half, but never found the right one at the right price (I passed > -->> on a 2.5 like yours that was very nice and a couple of 300SD & SDL's > -->> that I kick myself now for letting go. I am sometimes too patient for > -->> my own good. The money went into other things (notably a new well and > -->> furnace for our house.) > -->> > -->> We started looking again, now the wife decided she wants a VW. Guess > -->> what? You can't find a TDI at any dealer in western WA. They are gone > -->> now as soon as they hit the lot. The dealers are asking $4k to $6 > -->> premium for them(!) Insane. > -->> > -->> > -->> > or put a Diesel into your Jag. ;) > -->> > -->> > -->> Over my dead body. =P > -->> > -->> Come on up here some sunny day John and I'll let you take it for a > -->> drive. Imagine more torque than the beefiest turbo Diesel and you might > -->> be close to what that XK engine puts out. It is a dream to drive... > -->> just as it is. > -->> > -->> I'm OK with the minor modifications that is has (wider wheels, better > -->> brakes, aluminum radiator, Hitachi alternator, etc) since those were > -->> done to improve on minor systems with known issues. BUT that engine is > -->> legendary (won Le Mans half a dozen times; produced for 40-some years; > -->> powered everything from race cars, to limos, to tanks; etc) to remove > -->> that engine would be like ripping out the car's heart. It would reduce > -->> the car's value by 2/3rds, not that I'd ever sell it. It is a piece of > -->> history, I'm only here to take car of it for a while. > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > Your TDI isn't > -->> > going to be able to use all of this with blending, you're going to > -->> > have to > -->> > make your own biodiesel. :) > -->> > -->> > -->> I am a network engineer, not a chemist. If you (or anyone else) wants > -->> to come up here and perform some alchemy, feel free! I'm not ready for > -->> that myself yet. > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Second article we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's tired... Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in a disaster. john On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->Diesel Deliverance? >-->By Eric Peters >-->10/16/05 >--> >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a conspiracy? >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? >--> >-->Nope. >--> >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel that's >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for modern >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is laden with >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel passenger >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your Pinto. The >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. >--> >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, low-sulfur >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad stuff--clouds of >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. >--> >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over the >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the sooty, >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, >-->apparently, was good enough for us. >--> >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, right? >-->Right.) >--> >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in Europe. >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run properly >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential problems in >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next to the >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a target on >-->your back. >--> >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly sometime in >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. >--> >-->And pay. >--> >-->Comment on this article >--> >-->in the Automobile Forum . >--> >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:14:32 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Second article My understanding is that while we may have reduced diesel sulfur content, we didn't do it as dramatically as the Europeans. And of course isn't diesel smoking simply a result of stuffing too much fuel into the cylinders? Reasonably well designed injection pumps should minimize smoking. Or injection pumps that aren't squirting in enough fuel to take full advantage of the amount of air, like an OM617 whose ALDA isn't cranked. Newer computer controlled systems that even provide multiple small injections per single combustion cycle control smoking even better, as well as controlling noise and emissions better than older styles. Alec Quoting john : > we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the > early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is > the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? > > My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's > tired... > > Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people > are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their > ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit > system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in > a disaster. > > john > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > >-->Diesel Deliverance? > >-->By Eric Peters > >-->10/16/05 > >--> > >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a conspiracy? > > >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? > >--> > >-->Nope. > >--> > >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel that's > > >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for modern > > >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is laden with > > >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern > >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel > passenger > >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your Pinto. The > > >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. > >--> > >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, > low-sulfur > >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high > >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad stuff--clouds > of > >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. > >--> > >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over the > >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the sooty, > > >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, > >-->apparently, was good enough for us. > >--> > >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, > right? > >-->Right.) > >--> > >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other > >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in Europe. > > >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run > properly > >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential problems in > > >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next to > the > >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a target on > > >-->your back. > >--> > >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly sometime in > > >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. > >--> > >-->And pay. > >--> > >-->Comment on this article > >--> > > >-->in the Automobile Forum . > >--> > >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS > >--> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:14:05 -0700 From: Charles Redell Subject: Re: [db] Second article I'll just pipe in here and say what you all know I'm going to say: RUnning on B100 means no sulfur and no loss of power. IF biod (not WVO mind you) were supported by more people, given more tax breaks to help its spread and talked up in the press, maybe we could get these fancy-shmancy new diesels ('course, I'll keep driving my 300d, but that's cause I love it...) c On 10/21/05, john wrote: > > we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the > early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is > the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? > > My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's > tired... > > Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people > are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their > ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit > system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in > a disaster. > > john > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > >-->Diesel Deliverance? > >-->By Eric Peters > >-->10/16/05 > >--> > >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a > conspiracy? > >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? > >--> > >-->Nope. > >--> > >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel > that's > >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for modern > >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is laden with > >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern > >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel > passenger > >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your Pinto. The > >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. > >--> > >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, > low-sulfur > >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high > >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad stuff--clouds > of > >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. > >--> > >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over the > >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the > sooty, > >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, > >-->apparently, was good enough for us. > >--> > >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, > right? > >-->Right.) > >--> > >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other > >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in > Europe. > >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run > properly > >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential problems in > >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next to > the > >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a target > on > >-->your back. > >--> > >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly sometime > in > >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. > >--> > >-->And pay. > >--> > >-->Comment on this article > >-->< > http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?replyToTsn=1&nav=post&toUser Id=533355982&webtag=ws-automobile&replyToTid=187587 > > > >-->in the Automobile Forum . > >--> > >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - -- Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [Mercedes] [db] tach question for a suffering friend with a 91 350SD yes. because of the common failure that seems more likely than the sensor itself, but that was addressed already... my comment was only about the location of the sensor, it's far more likely to be a bad ground common to all of those things. :) good point. john On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Al Lumas wrote: > -->Shouldn't he "get started" by replacing fuses and checking relays? > --> > -->Al > --> > -->At 08:35 PM 10/20/05, john wrote: > -->> the hall effect sensor on my '83 300SD sat on the front of > -->> the engine, a royal pain to replace... suspect it'll be > -->> in the same neighborhood on his... > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Alec Cordova wrote: > -->> > -->> > --> A friend/neighbor of mine has a 91 350SD. Yes, that SD, > -->> > --> although he > -->> claims > -->> > --> not to have experienced any internal engine problems yet. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> He called me yesterday about a new problem. All of a > -->> > --> sudden, his tach > -->> > --> dropped out and idle got rough. His A/C compressor shut > -->> > --> off, too, but I'm > -->> > --> confident that's a result of the dead tach. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> He wants to try to trace this down if it's a > -->> > --> straightforward electrical > -->> > --> problem, but he has no wiring diagrams for his beast. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> So, I figure I can get him started if someone can tell me > -->> > --> where the tach > -->> > --> pickup lives on a 91 350SD. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> Thanks, > -->> > --> Alec Cordova > -->> > --> Taylor, Texas > -->> > --> 89 300CE, 194K > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> _______________________________________________ > -->> mercedes-at-mercedesmailinglist.com > -->> http://mail.mercedesmailinglist.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #1995 **********************************