From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 21 12:35:25 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 21 2005 Volume 01 : Number 1998 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article Re: [db] Second article [db] B100 [db] list question/help please Re: [db] list question/help please Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:05:29 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Second article Exactly! Diesel just jumped $.50 a gallon yesterday! In 3 hours! I drove past the station on the way to my son's football game. $3.199. Figured I'd fill up on the way home. On the way home... $3.699!!!!! WHAT?!?! So I had seen a station at $3.299 earlier in the day. I went there. They were still at $3.299. So I filled both tanks. I set a new record! It cost me $107 to fill both tanks!!!! Diesel is now more expensive than b100 but it's getting too cold! :( Is there *anyone* on this list that is successfully brewing their own true biodiesel??? I'll travel to see a setup! Jim > I'll just pipe in here and say what you all know I'm going to say: > RUnning on B100 means no sulfur and no loss of power. > IF biod (not WVO mind you) were supported by more people, given more tax > breaks to help its spread and talked up in the press, maybe we could get > these fancy-shmancy new diesels ('course, I'll keep driving my 300d, but > that's cause I love it...) > c > > On 10/21/05, john wrote: > > > > we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the > > early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is > > the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? > > > > My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's > > tired... > > > > Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people > > are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their > > ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit > > system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in > > a disaster. > > > > john > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > > >-->Diesel Deliverance? > > >-->By Eric Peters > > >-->10/16/05 > > >--> > > >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a > > conspiracy? > > >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? > > >--> > > >-->Nope. > > >--> > > >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel > > that's > > >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for modern > > >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is laden with > > >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern > > >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel > > passenger > > >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your Pinto. The > > >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. > > >--> > > >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, > > low-sulfur > > >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high > > >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad stuff--clouds > > of > > >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. > > >--> > > >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over the > > >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the > > sooty, > > >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, > > >-->apparently, was good enough for us. > > >--> > > >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, > > right? > > >-->Right.) > > >--> > > >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other > > >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in > > Europe. > > >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run > > properly > > >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential problems in > > >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next to > > the > > >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a target > > on > > >-->your back. > > >--> > > >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly sometime > > in > > >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. > > >--> > > >-->And pay. > > >--> > > >-->Comment on this article > > >-->< > > > http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?replyToTsn=1&nav=post&toUser > Id=533355982&webtag=ws-automobile&replyToTid=187587 > > > > > >-->in the Automobile Forum . > > >--> > > >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS > > > > -- > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:07:20 -0700 From: Charles Redell Subject: Re: [db] Second article too cold? Not here in Seattle. Where are you Jim? If it truely is too cold for biodiesel to start you up, can you get a block heater? c On 10/21/05, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > Exactly! Diesel just jumped $.50 a gallon yesterday! In 3 hours! > I drove past the station on the way to my son's football game. $3.199. > Figured I'd fill up on the way home. On the way home... $3.699!!!!! > WHAT?!?! So I had seen a station at $3.299 earlier in the day. I > went there. They were still at $3.299. So I filled both tanks. I > set a new record! It cost me $107 to fill both tanks!!!! Diesel is > now more expensive than b100 but it's getting too cold! :( > > Is there *anyone* on this list that is successfully brewing their > own true biodiesel??? I'll travel to see a setup! > > Jim > > > I'll just pipe in here and say what you all know I'm going to say: > > RUnning on B100 means no sulfur and no loss of power. > > IF biod (not WVO mind you) were supported by more people, given more tax > > breaks to help its spread and talked up in the press, maybe we could get > > these fancy-shmancy new diesels ('course, I'll keep driving my 300d, but > > that's cause I love it...) > > c > > > > On 10/21/05, john wrote: > > > > > > we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the > > > early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is > > > the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? > > > > > > My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's > > > tired... > > > > > > Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people > > > are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their > > > ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit > > > system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in > > > a disaster. > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > > > > >-->Diesel Deliverance? > > > >-->By Eric Peters > > > >-->10/16/05 > > > >--> > > > >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a > > > conspiracy? > > > >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? > > > >--> > > > >-->Nope. > > > >--> > > > >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel > > > that's > > > >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for > modern > > > >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is > laden with > > > >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern > > > >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel > > > passenger > > > >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your > Pinto. The > > > >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. > > > >--> > > > >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, > > > low-sulfur > > > >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high > > > >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad > stuff--clouds > > > of > > > >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. > > > >--> > > > >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over > the > > > >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the > > > sooty, > > > >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, > > > >-->apparently, was good enough for us. > > > >--> > > > >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, > > > right? > > > >-->Right.) > > > >--> > > > >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other > > > >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in > > > Europe. > > > >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run > > > properly > > > >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential > problems in > > > >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next > to > > > the > > > >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a > target > > > on > > > >-->your back. > > > >--> > > > >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly > sometime > > > in > > > >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. > > > >--> > > > >-->And pay. > > > >--> > > > >-->Comment on this article > > > >-->< > > > > > > > http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?replyToTsn=1&nav=post&toUser > > Id=533355982&webtag=ws-automobile&replyToTid=187587 > > > > > > > >-->in the Automobile Forum > . > > > >--> > > > >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS > > > > > > > > -- > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) > - -- Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Second article On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Exactly! Diesel just jumped $.50 a gallon yesterday! In 3 hours! >-->I drove past the station on the way to my son's football game. $3.199. >-->Figured I'd fill up on the way home. On the way home... $3.699!!!!! wow. that's obscene... >-->WHAT?!?! So I had seen a station at $3.299 earlier in the day. I >-->went there. They were still at $3.299. So I filled both tanks. I >-->set a new record! It cost me $107 to fill both tanks!!!! Diesel is >-->now more expensive than b100 but it's getting too cold! :( >--> >-->Is there *anyone* on this list that is successfully brewing their >-->own true biodiesel??? I'll travel to see a setup! well, when you make it out to Seattle let me know... ;) will even give you a few gallons of "john juice" :) good way to escape the cold, except for the mountain passes... (go by way of mexico... ;) john >--> >-->Jim >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:46:33 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Second article Yes, too cold. It will get into single digits *regularly* starting in mid-late November. Then a block heater will do me no good. The fuel tank will become a solid block of solidified b100! ;) Jim > too cold? Not here in Seattle. Where are you Jim? If it truely is too cold > for biodiesel to start you up, can you get a block heater? > c > > On 10/21/05, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > Exactly! Diesel just jumped $.50 a gallon yesterday! In 3 hours! > > I drove past the station on the way to my son's football game. $3.199. > > Figured I'd fill up on the way home. On the way home... $3.699!!!!! > > WHAT?!?! So I had seen a station at $3.299 earlier in the day. I > > went there. They were still at $3.299. So I filled both tanks. I > > set a new record! It cost me $107 to fill both tanks!!!! Diesel is > > now more expensive than b100 but it's getting too cold! :( > > > > Is there *anyone* on this list that is successfully brewing their > > own true biodiesel??? I'll travel to see a setup! > > > > Jim > > > > > I'll just pipe in here and say what you all know I'm going to say: > > > RUnning on B100 means no sulfur and no loss of power. > > > IF biod (not WVO mind you) were supported by more people, given more tax > > > breaks to help its spread and talked up in the press, maybe we could get > > > these fancy-shmancy new diesels ('course, I'll keep driving my 300d, but > > > that's cause I love it...) > > > c > > > > > > On 10/21/05, john wrote: > > > > > > > > we went to a low(er) sulfur content fuel back in the > > > > early '90s... smoking Diesels are kind of rare now... is > > > > the Diesel here still laden with sulfur??? > > > > > > > > My Jimmy is an older 6.2L Diesel and it doesn't smoke, and it's > > > > tired... > > > > > > > > Ignorance about things mechanical is the problem. Most people > > > > are quite technically illiterate and amazingly proud of their > > > > ignorance. They seem happier depending upon a public transit > > > > system then their own vehicle. We saw how well that worked in > > > > a disaster. > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > > > > > > >-->Diesel Deliverance? > > > > >-->By Eric Peters > > > > >-->10/16/05 > > > > >--> > > > > >-->So, how come we're deprived of these great engines? Is it a > > > > conspiracy? > > > > >-->The evil machinations of the Illuminati? > > > > >--> > > > > >-->Nope. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->The reason is as close as your local filling station. The diesel > > > > that's > > > > >-->available in this country is fine for big rigs but terrible for > > modern > > > > >-->high-efficiency passenger car diesels. The stuff we have is > > laden with > > > > >-->sulfur, and putting high-sulfur diesel into a modern > > > > >-->high-performance/high-efficiency turbo-direct-injection diesel > > > > passenger > > > > >-->car engine is like pouring Karo syrup into the tank of your > > Pinto. The > > > > >-->results, in both cases, are not pretty. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->European diesels are precision machines that need high-grade, > > > > low-sulfur > > > > >-->content fuel. Fed properly, they deliver all the good things--high > > > > >-->specific output and great mileage--with none of the bad > > stuff--clouds > > > > of > > > > >-->smoke, high-emissions output and warranty or repair problems. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->But thanks to short-sightedness on our part, we did nothing over > > the > > > > >-->past 10-20 years to get low-sulfur diesel into the pipeline; the > > > > sooty, > > > > >-->high-sulfur swill we had was a-OK for the big rigs, and that, > > > > >-->apparently, was good enough for us. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->(Hey, gasoline was only $1.40 per gallon. Why bother with diesel, > > > > right? > > > > >-->Right.) > > > > >--> > > > > >-->This is why we don't get the 530d, LR3 diesel or any of the other > > > > >-->state-of-the-art diesel-powered vehicles currently available in > > > > Europe. > > > > >-->The manufacturers are not about to sell vehicles that won't run > > > > properly > > > > >-->on the available fuel. Indeed, there are so many potential > > problems in > > > > >-->terms of emissions issues alone they'd be crazy to even try. Next > > to > > > > the > > > > >-->IRS, the EPA is the last government agency you want drawing a > > target > > > > on > > > > >-->your back. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->So, until we can get decent quality diesel fuel, supposedly > > sometime > > > > in > > > > >-->2007, we'll just have to wait. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->And pay. > > > > >--> > > > > >-->Comment on this article > > > > >-->< > > > > > > > > > > > > http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?replyToTsn=1&nav=post&toUser > > > Id=533355982&webtag=ws-automobile&replyToTid=187587 > > > > > > > > > >-->in the Automobile Forum > > . > > > > >--> > > > > >-->COPYRIGHT 2005 ERIC PETERS > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) > > > > > > -- > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:49:42 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Second article Ummmm.... If you were brewing your own biodiesel I'd be there, but you're not. John juice isn't going to cut it for me! ;) Jim > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->Exactly! Diesel just jumped $.50 a gallon yesterday! In 3 hours! > >-->I drove past the station on the way to my son's football game. $3.199. > >-->Figured I'd fill up on the way home. On the way home... $3.699!!!!! > > wow. that's obscene... > > >-->WHAT?!?! So I had seen a station at $3.299 earlier in the day. I > >-->went there. They were still at $3.299. So I filled both tanks. I > >-->set a new record! It cost me $107 to fill both tanks!!!! Diesel is > >-->now more expensive than b100 but it's getting too cold! :( > >--> > >-->Is there *anyone* on this list that is successfully brewing their > >-->own true biodiesel??? I'll travel to see a setup! > > well, when you make it out to Seattle let me know... ;) > > will even give you a few gallons of "john juice" :) > > good way to escape the cold, except for the mountain passes... (go by way of > mexico... ;) > > john > > >--> > >-->Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:57:55 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: [db] B100 I ran across one of those portable marquee's advertizing a "biodiesel clinic" so I called the number. As I suspected they were charging $20 to come see a presentation on: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/home/home.asp I'd seen this contraption before. I think we talked about it a number of months back. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I wasn't going to spend $2,995 on a contraption that I can build myself for less than $100 in parts! ;) He mumbled something about ruining my engine and that's when I said "thanks, but no thanks" and hung up. ;) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:58:58 -0500 From: richard Subject: [db] list question/help please greetings, would someone please instruct me on how to switch to digest mode, instead of indvidual mode thanking all in advance, richard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:25:53 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] list question/help please Quoting richard : > greetings, > > would someone please instruct me on how to switch to digest mode, > instead of indvidual mode > > thanking all in advance, > > richard > > Just unsubscribe from the regular list, and subscribe to the digest version. Send a plain text email to majordomo-at-digest.net Message subject is ignored. 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