From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 2 15:25:17 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, November 2 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2013 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Oil Change blues (to the exhaust tune of 300D) Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars [db] Mufflers Re: [db] Mufflers Re: [db] Oil Change blues (to the exhaust tune of 300D) [db] got 170,000 miles? Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? Re: [db] Mufflers Re: [db] Mufflers Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:38:59 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Oil Change blues (to the exhaust tune of 300D) diesel $3.019/gas $2.479 in S.E. Wisconsin. Jim > diesel 3.19/gas 2.60 > > amsoil ranges from $4 to $8/qt and is a lot better than the dino oil. :) > still adds up though... > > john > > On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > -->Yikes! 7.59 per galon of Chevron Delo (was paying about 5.96 last change) > > -->and another 8.49 for the McParts STP oil filter (the part is German made, > > -->heh!) , with tax that is a skosh over 25 bucks with my own labor. No wonder > > -->the dealers charge 70 bucks! :-( > > --> > > -->The somewhat more tolerable news - Diesel dropped from 3.09/gal to 2.75/gal > > -->last Thursday. Finally some relief, tho' Gasoline is now at 2.32 at the no > > -->brand outlets in NW Indiana/SW Michigan. Hope you folks out West are faring > > -->better too. The new tires (at 31/32 PSI recommended by Tire Rack) jacked > > -->the mileage up to 34 MPG on the commute. Will see if fresh oil edges that up > > -->another 1/2 mile or so :-) > > --> > > -->Edward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:55:30 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] veggie oil, alternators and calendars Well... I'll let it go this time... But don't let it happen again! ;) Jim > I thought I had, but looking through my (selective) > archives of the list, I guess I only talked to a > couple of folks off-list (like John). Oops. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:43:19 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: [db] Mufflers I just replaced the exhaust system on my '95 E300D. I purchased a new replacement rear muffler, and intended to keep the cat and bypass the resonator with a custom pipe. Once the old system was dropped (original system with 199,000 miles on it - repaired several times by previous owner), it became evident that the cat was not easily repairable. I couldn't afford to shell out the $900 or so (street price) for a replacement cat, so I made up a custom Y pipe and tied it into the new rear muffler. With almost 10' of straight pipe before the muffler, it is EASY to understand the purpose of a resonator. I have seen a marked improvement in performance, especially at the upper RPMs, but I now get the dreaded "angry vacuum cleaner" sound under full throttle. I am planning on installing an inexpensive glass pack midway on the pipe to resolve this. All in all, I am very happy with the results. If anyone is interested, I will post pics at www.wrxtra.com/Misc/Automotive/Mercedes/exhaust sometime today. And, if anyone wants to know, this is of course a racing diesel that is off-road only, so I do not need the cat anymore... J.B. Hebert - ---------------------------------------------- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: 10/31/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:13:39 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] Mufflers Very nice job J.B.!! You have more talent than me. Wish I could do that. I'd make a new system for my F-350 IDI Turbo! :) Jim > I just replaced the exhaust system on my '95 E300D. I purchased a > new replacement rear muffler, and intended to keep the cat and bypass > the resonator with a custom pipe. Once the old system was dropped > (original system with 199,000 miles on it - repaired several times by > previous owner), it became evident that the cat was not easily > repairable. I couldn't afford to shell out the $900 or so (street > price) for a replacement cat, so I made up a custom Y pipe and tied > it into the new rear muffler. With almost 10' of straight pipe > before the muffler, it is EASY to understand the purpose of a > resonator. I have seen a marked improvement in performance, > especially at the upper RPMs, but I now get the dreaded "angry vacuum > cleaner" sound under full throttle. I am planning on installing an > inexpensive glass pack midway on the pipe to resolve this. All in > all, I am very happy with the results. > > If anyone is interested, I will post pics at > www.wrxtra.com/Misc/Automotive/Mercedes/exhaust sometime today. > > And, if anyone wants to know, this is of course a racing diesel that > is off-road only, so I do not need the cat anymore... > > > J.B. Hebert > > ---------------------------------------------- > Current Vehicles: > > '76 Ford Bronco > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > '95 Mercedes E300D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Oil Change blues (to the exhaust tune of 300D) On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->diesel $3.019/gas $2.479 in S.E. Wisconsin. 3.19 diesel and 2.50 gas snohomish john >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> diesel 3.19/gas 2.60 >-->> >-->> amsoil ranges from $4 to $8/qt and is a lot better than the dino oil. :) >-->> still adds up though... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >-->> >-->> > -->Yikes! 7.59 per galon of Chevron Delo (was paying about 5.96 last change) >-->> > -->and another 8.49 for the McParts STP oil filter (the part is German made, >-->> > -->heh!) , with tax that is a skosh over 25 bucks with my own labor. No wonder >-->> > -->the dealers charge 70 bucks! :-( >-->> > --> >-->> > -->The somewhat more tolerable news - Diesel dropped from 3.09/gal to 2.75/gal >-->> > -->last Thursday. Finally some relief, tho' Gasoline is now at 2.32 at the no >-->> > -->brand outlets in NW Indiana/SW Michigan. Hope you folks out West are faring >-->> > -->better too. The new tires (at 31/32 PSI recommended by Tire Rack) jacked >-->> > -->the mileage up to 34 MPG on the commute. Will see if fresh oil edges that up >-->> > -->another 1/2 mile or so :-) >-->> > --> >-->> > -->Edward >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:49:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] got 170,000 miles? got 170,000 miles or more? got a 124 or 201? this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch BEFORE if fails: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:14:35 -0800 From: Derick Amburgey Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? john wrote: > got 170,000 miles or more? > got a 124 or 201? > > this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch > BEFORE if fails: > > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ > > (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Brings back some painful memories....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:47:57 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Mufflers Thanks. I don't mind the work, but I do with I had a lift for projects like this. J.B. At 05:13 PM 11/1/2005, you wrote: >Very nice job J.B.!! You have more talent than me. Wish I could do >that. I'd make a new system for my F-350 IDI Turbo! > >:) > >Jim > > > I just replaced the exhaust system on my '95 E300D. I purchased a > > new replacement rear muffler, and intended to keep the cat and bypass > > the resonator with a custom pipe. Once the old system was dropped > > (original system with 199,000 miles on it - repaired several times by > > previous owner), it became evident that the cat was not easily > > repairable. I couldn't afford to shell out the $900 or so (street > > price) for a replacement cat, so I made up a custom Y pipe and tied > > it into the new rear muffler. With almost 10' of straight pipe > > before the muffler, it is EASY to understand the purpose of a > > resonator. I have seen a marked improvement in performance, > > especially at the upper RPMs, but I now get the dreaded "angry vacuum > > cleaner" sound under full throttle. I am planning on installing an > > inexpensive glass pack midway on the pipe to resolve this. All in > > all, I am very happy with the results. > > > > If anyone is interested, I will post pics at href="http://www.wrxtra.com/Misc/Automotive/Mercedes/exhaust" target="_blank"> > > www.wrxtra.com/Misc/Automotive/Mercedes/exhaust sometime today. > > > > And, if anyone wants to know, this is of course a racing diesel that > > is off-road only, so I do not need the cat anymore... > > > > > > J.B. Hebert > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Current Vehicles: > > > > '76 Ford Bronco > > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > > '95 Mercedes E300D > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:47:01 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Mufflers At 05:04 PM 11/1/2005, you wrote: >On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 03:43:19PM -0500, J.B. Hebert wrote: > > I am planning on installing an inexpensive glass pack midway on the > > pipe to resolve this. > >Glass packs might have problems with the soot - they might load up and >increase backpressure. Don't know for certain though, just guessing. Since the fiberglass is between the inner louvered pipe and the outer shell, I don't think it would be a problem. Ideally I need a glasspack without the glass. But we'll see, the sound isn't that bad and at highway speed the system is very quiet. I probably won't change anything for a little while (my knuckles need to heal). > > And, if anyone wants to know, this is of course a racing diesel that > > is off-road only, so I do not need the cat anymore... > >Of course :) > >The 87 300TD has a non-catalyst sticker on it because it came originally >with the trap oxidizer, and the recall didn't require replacement of the >sticker. I can't remember if it had the year of the car on it or not. > >Either way, defacing the glass pack/resonator and making it look like a >cat is a good way to be sneaky, if you can't reuse the skin of your >cat due to rust. > >I'd be curious to know how much performance/mileage you're gaining without >the cat. > >K > It looks like I've dropped about a second on my 0-60. I'll do some more testing this weekend and get more specific numbers. At highway speeds the acceleration improvement is even more noticable. Won't know about mileage for a few tanks. J.B. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:50:33 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? Would that be a switch failure or tumbler failure? At 12:49 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: >got 170,000 miles or more? >got a 124 or 201? > >this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch >BEFORE if fails: > > >http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ > >(cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) > >john > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:12:07 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? I have 180K on it now, what are the early symptoms that point towards a soon-to-fail ignition lock (yes the tumblers)? My unit feels pretty tight, turns easily and do not have any mechanical issues that I can tell. Since I got the verhicle at 164K it may have already been replaced (I should be so lucky) :-) . Edward J.B. Hebert wrote: > Would that be a switch failure or tumbler failure? > > At 12:49 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: > >> got 170,000 miles or more? >> got a 124 or 201? >> >> this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch >> BEFORE if fails: >> >> >> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ >> >> >> (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) >> >> john >> >> ---- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: >> 11/2/2005 ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2013 **********************************