From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Nov 3 06:38:58 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, November 3 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2014 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] got 170,000 miles? Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? [db] Re: Hey John - a question you should be able to answer [db] fuel prices [db] Hand brake Re: [db] Hand brake [db] list history and a new toy? Re: [db] fuel prices Re: [db] fuel prices Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:44:33 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] got 170,000 miles? Standard answer is if it ever gets sticky when trying to get past the steering column lock to start it, don't return the key all the way. Just turn it enough to stop the car until you immediately visit your local dealer to order the replacement part. I've also heard completely unconfirmed stories that heavier keyrings accelerate the wear. Not sure if it's true, but I try to minimize what's on my keyring. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 195K, original ignition > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:12 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Cc: J.B. Hebert; john > Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? > > > I have 180K on it now, what are the early symptoms that point towards a > soon-to-fail ignition lock (yes the tumblers)? My unit feels pretty > tight, turns easily and do not have any mechanical issues that I can > tell. Since I got the verhicle at 164K it may have already been > replaced (I should be so lucky) :-) . > > Edward > > J.B. Hebert wrote: > > > Would that be a switch failure or tumbler failure? > > > > At 12:49 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: > > > >> got 170,000 miles or more? > >> got a 124 or 201? > >> > >> this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch > >> BEFORE if fails: > >> > >> > >> > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-swit ch-replace/ >> >> >> (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) >> >> john >> >> ---- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: >> 11/2/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:00:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, J.B. Hebert wrote: > -->Would that be a switch failure or tumbler failure? tumbler. the key won't turn... I was really lucky on my 124... it was acting up and becoming hard to operate... when we pulled the assy out of the switch it fell apart... into two pieces... I was a mere handful of key turns away from deconstructing a 124 dashboard... john > --> > -->At 12:49 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: > --> > -->> got 170,000 miles or more? > -->> got a 124 or 201? > -->> > -->> this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch > -->> BEFORE if fails: > -->> > -->> > -->> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ > -->> > -->> (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... :) > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> -- > -->> No virus found in this incoming message. > -->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: > -->> 11/2/2005 > --> > --> > -->-- > -->No virus found in this outgoing message. > -->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:37:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] got 170,000 miles? I wouldn't hang a ball and chain off your key ring, but if it's turning ok and not binding you may be ok. john On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->I have 180K on it now, what are the early symptoms that point towards a > -->soon-to-fail ignition lock (yes the tumblers)? My unit feels pretty tight, > -->turns easily and do not have any mechanical issues that I can tell. Since I > -->got the verhicle at 164K it may have already been replaced (I should be so > -->lucky) :-) . > --> > -->Edward > --> > -->J.B. Hebert wrote: > --> > -->> Would that be a switch failure or tumbler failure? > -->> > -->> At 12:49 AM 11/2/2005, you wrote: > -->> > -->> > got 170,000 miles or more? > -->> > got a 124 or 201? > -->> > > -->> > this is what happens if you don't replace the ignitions switch > -->> > BEFORE if fails: > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/201-series/190D-ignition-switch-replace/ > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > (cleaning up my laptop hard drive... in the year 2003 right now... > -->> > :) > -->> > > -->> > john > -->> > > -->> > ---- > -->> > > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > > -->> > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html > -->> > ** > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > -- > -->> > No virus found in this incoming message. > -->> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: > -->> > 11/2/2005 > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Hey John - a question you should be able to answer On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Randy Bennell wrote: >-->I'm in the process of changing the oil in my 76 - 115 300D. I have the oil >-->filter canister off and cleaned up and am looking at the nylon disk filter >-->doodad that sits on top of the filter element. Which way is up? The one side >-->has a raised disk in the middle. The other side is flat? I took it out with >-->the raised side up but looking at it, there is no indication of which side >-->should be up and I don't know if it was in correctly before. I have been >-->trying to find an online manual that will show me the parts but so far no >-->luck. Anyone else feel free to chime in if you have experience with these >-->things. >--> >-->Randy in Winnipeg who wants to put the darned thing back on and pour the oil >-->in. not 100% sure, but I'd say the raised part up... thing is you have a 50-50 chance... :) watch the oil pressure when you start up and see if it behaves normally... nice thing about the benz filters is you can open it up and see if it's been passing oil. :) I don't think you can go wrong... I'll cc the list to make sure, a few guys have the older units... on the newer ones the filters have a little ring on them to lift them out of the oil filter housing, so it's real easy to figure out. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:27:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] fuel prices prices appear heading down... 2.55 reg / 3.15 diesel... guess I'll wait a few more days to tank up... shoot, with my new commute I could literally drive for THREE days to and from work with the reserve light on. :) in other news, 31 years ago today I met my bride... in a couple of weeks we'll have our 30th... just think, I've been married as long as Bruce's Mercedes has been around. ;) My J10 is the same age as my son... ('83) and if I recall correctly it was made the same month he was born... (or that was one of my mercedes, can't remember and haven't seen my J10 up close for over four years now... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:39:46 +0200 From: "Mike" Subject: [db] Hand brake Hi everybody, Recently I had the lever of the hand brake in my W201 (190 D 2.5) changed, but it won't actually hold unless I pull it very hard (10-11 clicks). The guy at the workshop said he can't fine-tune it (for some obscure reason) but that it would auto-adjust itself after several pulls (a magic feature of Benzes !) Unfortunately, no self adjustment happened so far. Is there a way I can do it myself ? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:56:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Hand brake pull the rear rotor and examine the springs and gadgets living amongst all the brake dust back there... could be that one of the shoes came off... or am I thinking of a different vehicle???? does the benz have a little brake drum in the rear for the parking brake??? or is that my WJ??? I'm grading mid terms right now or I'd look for the shop manual... I guess you'll have to pull a rear wheel, remove the caliper and look to see if there is a drum... or look around on my server for pictures... Life is always fresh and new when you have CRS... ;) (can't remember stuff... ;) john On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Mike wrote: >-->Hi everybody, >--> >--> >--> >-->Recently I had the lever of the hand brake in my W201 (190 D 2.5) changed, >-->but it won't actually hold unless I pull it very hard (10-11 clicks). >--> >-->The guy at the workshop said he can't fine-tune it (for some obscure reason) >-->but that it would auto-adjust itself after several pulls (a magic feature of >-->Benzes !) >--> >-->Unfortunately, no self adjustment happened so far. >--> >--> >--> >-->Is there a way I can do it myself ? >--> >--> >--> >-->Mike >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] list history and a new toy? On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Karl Streich wrote: >-->John- >-->While pondering a chebbie 6.2 into mt '79 cherokee I decided to figure out when I bought it, I believe it was arround march of '95, then I started wondering when the FSJ list was first introduced, do you know? I started chatting with the list founders on usenet in the early part of '95. or maybe it was in '94... but I think we formed the original list 1995. I've found early digests on Tehabi (the third manifestation of the FSJ list dated in early '97) and early digest.net digests from Dec '97. I was looking for a history summary that one of the original list members had compiled for me... it's somewhere... probably got lost when my server took the summer off... will have to find a copy on CD... FOUND THIS though: 1. John Meister and Mike Lacher meet on rec.autos.4x4 circa spring 1995 2. Mike Lacher posts "Wagoneer Owners UNITE" on rec.autos.4x4 circa 1995 3. Mike and John meet up with SuperKen, Michael Baxter and so on June 1995 4. FSJ charter members assemble Fall 1995, emails via "cc" 5. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-charter.html 6. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/fullsize.html 7. late 1995 Zynet.com offers list service and webspace 8. late 1995 john starts HTML home page on compuserve.com 9. Zynet disappears, spring 1996, resort to "cc" emails via john's eudora 10. Tehabi.com offers list service 11. John takes on role at Off-road.com Jan 97 as FSJ editor, moves FSJ list in Aug 97 12. John quits ORC in Nov 97, banned from FSJ list by list server owner 13. John forms new list on digest.net and lives happily ever after 14. http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html >-->On other fronts, I may be geting into a nonturbo 1981 300CD, and getting closer to the biodiesel processor. cool. I still like the looks of the 300CD. the non turbo 3.0l should get low to mid 20's in town and high 20's on the road... >-->Karl >--> >-->http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=8546710&uid=1677036 >--> >--> >-->--------------------------------- >--> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:28:19 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices John: 1) Congratulations on the anniversary 8-) 2) You will be receiving in the post a small pump - there are two more where it came from. It is a 220V motor which you can operate using a step down transformer in reverse or if you can find a 110 to 220 transformer, so much the better. It uses magnetic coupling between the motor and the vanes, this way you can't burn up the motor if something snags (like a bit of hamburger or fry). It is not self priming, have to pour some oil through the pomp inlet to get it started. Let me know if it works out. The benefit of this item is that the pump chamber is brass which should hold up to most solvents. The back plate is old fashioned baekelite, also pretty sturdy stuff. 3) Bruce C. you will be receiving some disks in the mail - enjoy. Gasoline down to 2.239 and diesel now down to 2.719 ( the signs show 2.659 but that is for truckers, us normal folk pay a 6cent tax on that). Cheers, Edward john wrote: >prices appear heading down... 2.55 reg / 3.15 diesel... guess I'll >wait a few more days to tank up... shoot, with my new commute I >could literally drive for THREE days to and from work with the >reserve light on. :) > >in other news, 31 years ago today I met my bride... in a couple >of weeks we'll have our 30th... just think, I've been married >as long as Bruce's Mercedes has been around. ;) My J10 is >the same age as my son... ('83) and if I recall correctly it >was made the same month he was born... (or that was one of my >mercedes, can't remember and haven't seen my J10 up close for >over four years now... ;) > >john > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:37:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fuel prices cool, thanx... I'll see what I can do to wire it up... john On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->John: > --> > -->1) Congratulations on the anniversary 8-) > -->2) You will be receiving in the post a small pump - there are two more where > -->it came from. It is a 220V motor which you can operate using a step down > -->transformer in reverse or if you can find a 110 to 220 transformer, so much > -->the better. It uses magnetic coupling between the motor and the vanes, > -->this way you can't burn up the motor if something snags (like a bit of > -->hamburger or fry). It is not self priming, have to pour some oil through > -->the pomp inlet to get it started. Let me know if it works out. The benefit > -->of this item is that the pump chamber is brass which should hold up to most > -->solvents. The back plate is old fashioned baekelite, also pretty sturdy > -->stuff. > -->3) Bruce C. you will be receiving some disks in the mail - enjoy. > --> > -->Gasoline down to 2.239 and diesel now down to 2.719 ( the signs show 2.659 > -->but that is for truckers, us normal folk pay a 6cent tax on that). > --> > -->Cheers, > -->Edward > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> prices appear heading down... 2.55 reg / 3.15 diesel... guess I'll > -->> wait a few more days to tank up... shoot, with my new commute I > -->> could literally drive for THREE days to and from work with the > -->> reserve light on. :) > -->> in other news, 31 years ago today I met my bride... in a couple > -->> of weeks we'll have our 30th... just think, I've been married > -->> as long as Bruce's Mercedes has been around. ;) My J10 is > -->> the same age as my son... ('83) and if I recall correctly it > -->> was made the same month he was born... (or that was one of my > -->> mercedes, can't remember and haven't seen my J10 up close for > -->> over four years now... ;) > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2014 **********************************