From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Nov 20 16:27:39 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, November 21 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2022 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle [db] the ultimate trailer? Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:47:56 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Hello Diesel-Benzers I have found a place on airport way S, at or around Lander st. that sells b-20 and takes visa cards at the self serve pump! Much more convenient for me that the pre-buy method, but I wish It was b 100. It is a CFN station, but they take regular cards, too. Where is every one? Not too much traffic on the list the last few days. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:04:45 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle Wow... a live person...... I fugured the server was down :-( Too keep on topic... Diesel now down to 2.499 gal and gasoline actually broke the 2.00 barrier, wife found stations at 1.999 in northern Indiana. Cheers, hope the server is not fritzed. Edward Paul Masterson wrote: >Hello Diesel-Benzers > > I have found a place on airport way S, at or around Lander st. that sells >b-20 and takes visa cards at the self serve pump! >Much more convenient for me that the pre-buy method, but I wish It was b 100. >It is a CFN station, but they take regular cards, too. > > Where is every one? Not too much traffic on the list the last few days. > >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:38:57 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle how much per gallon? been busy, no email access from work... out wrenching on my daughter's pontiac... thought rube only designed mercedes, boy was he having fun on this one... trying to replace the stinking belts, have the a/c unit wiggling around, but can't get it to pivot to swing the belt off... hate fwd cars... belts are supposed to be on the front of an engine. ;) john On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Paul Masterson wrote: >-->Hello Diesel-Benzers >--> >--> I have found a place on airport way S, at or around Lander st. that sells >-->b-20 and takes visa cards at the self serve pump! >-->Much more convenient for me that the pre-buy method, but I wish It was b 100. >-->It is a CFN station, but they take regular cards, too. >--> >--> Where is every one? Not too much traffic on the list the last few days. >--> >-->Paul >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:27:34 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle > Wow... a live person...... I fugured the server was down :-( Apparently not! > > Too keep on topic... Diesel now down to 2.499 gal and gasoline actually > broke the 2.00 barrier, wife found stations at 1.999 in northern Indiana. > Diesel is still about 2.60 here, the B20 I got at the pump this AM was 3.01 Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Paul Masterson wrote: > -->> Wow... a live person...... I fugured the server was down :-( > --> > -->Apparently not! > -->> > -->> Too keep on topic... Diesel now down to 2.499 gal and gasoline actually > -->> broke the 2.00 barrier, wife found stations at 1.999 in northern > -->> Indiana. > -->> > --> > -->Diesel is still about 2.60 here, the B20 I got at the pump this AM was 3.01 > -->Paul I've been working up in Everett for almost a month now... great to be back into the swing of things at boeing... don't miss the commute to seattle, the ONLY downsides are: getting up earlier and "only" getting 28mpg... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle server's fine, although it did take a few days off... richard rebooted, went off to a conference and forgot to kickstart major dumbo... ;) saw Diesel for UNDER $3.00 here... lowest I've seen is about $2.87, why don't y'all mail some of that $1.9999 stuff out here for us. ;) john On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->Wow... a live person...... I fugured the server was down :-( > --> > -->Too keep on topic... Diesel now down to 2.499 gal and gasoline actually > -->broke the 2.00 barrier, wife found stations at 1.999 in northern Indiana. > --> > -->Cheers, hope the server is not fritzed. > --> > -->Edward > --> > -->Paul Masterson wrote: > --> > -->> Hello Diesel-Benzers > -->> > -->> I have found a place on airport way S, at or around Lander st. that > -->> sells > -->> b-20 and takes visa cards at the self serve pump! > -->> Much more convenient for me that the pre-buy method, but I wish It was b > -->> 100. > -->> It is a CFN station, but they take regular cards, too. > -->> > -->> Where is every one? Not too much traffic on the list the last few > -->> days. > -->> > -->> Paul > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Bio-diesel at the pump in South Seattle interesting.... thanx. john On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Noel Higa wrote: > --> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/111750938.html > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005, Paul Masterson wrote: > -->> > --> > Wow... a live person...... I fugured the server was > -->> > --> > down :-( > -->> > --> > -->> > --> Apparently not! > -->> > --> > Too keep on topic... Diesel now down to 2.499 gal and > -->> > --> > gasoline actually > -->> > --> > broke the 2.00 barrier, wife found stations at 1.999 in > -->> > --> > northern > -->> > --> > Indiana. > -->> > --> Diesel is still about 2.60 here, the B20 I got at the pump > -->> > --> this AM was 3.01 > -->> > --> Paul ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:14:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] the ultimate trailer? I was talking to a mechanic friend today and we started talking about trailers. We talked about the trailer I have right now, the '75 J10 box, fully bedlined top, bottom and sides... equipped with a full tool box, on board power and dual hydraulic cylinders... it works great... but it is a bit heavy... but it got me thinking... (this is not always a good thing as most of you know. ;) http://JohnMeister.com/FSJ/J10-trailer/ The current trailer tips the scales at 2,000lbs. Towing it with a 6.2L Diesel isn't a problem, but my wife refuses to let me put a hitch on her '99 WJ. :) I think I hurt the XJ towing the trailer too... putting a yard of gravel in it didn't seem to make the XJ any happier either... ;) Anyway, I'm thinking it would be nice to have a trailer capable of hauling a car or Jeep, gravel, dirt, lumber and so on, and be light enough to tow behind my '91 300D with it's little 2.5L Turbo Diesel, or the '48 Willys CJ2. ...not with gravel or a car on it though... just lumber, plants and light but bulky stuff... It would be nice to have a dump feature, but I think it could be done manually to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need to be a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make the frame I could keep the weight down... I may take a trip down to the boeing surplus store and see what kind of structural aluminum they have... I've got some other ideas related to making the trailer shorter or longer depending on what I need to haul... If I pin the frame I could make it narrower as well... I think the first step is to get my carport built... then find someone interested in buying the J10 trailer... I think I'll also look at buying a commercial car trailer, lots of them around... (interested, let me know... my 6.2L Diesel Jimmy goes away in December and I won't have anything to pull it with until SuperDawg is done anyway... so finding it a new home won't put me out...) I've made expandable setups before, used tractor/farm implement hardware to move it around, but used steel pipe... too heavy... need to get some nice aircraft grade stuff... ;) that is if they still have stuff like that down there... ended up swapping belts on a pontiac today... :( john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? >could be done > manually > to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need to be > a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make the > frame I could > keep the weight down... > *** The trouble with that is that the stronger the alloy, the higher the heat treat, the more prone it is to corrosion. And I'm told your area can be a bit soggy. Reminds me of the time I was messing with my airplane, and put a screwdriver right through the door post. Which was made of 2024T6 aluminum, which had rotted out from the inside. Which led to a LARGE project, eating up about a month of my spare time. A patch of aluminum about the size of my fist had turned into flaky cardboard. It CAN be protected.... I would recommend epoxy zinc chromate primer topcoated with Imron. Aren't Hummvee chassis aluminum? - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:52:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Jerry Kaidor wrote: >-->>could be done >-->> manually >-->> to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need to be >-->> a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make the >-->> frame I could >-->> keep the weight down... >-->> >-->*** The trouble with that is that the stronger the alloy, the higher the >-->heat treat, the more prone it is to corrosion. And I'm told your area can >-->be a bit soggy. yes, damp, but rust and corrosion isn't typically a big problem. >--> Reminds me of the time I was messing with my airplane, and put a >-->screwdriver right through the door post. Which was made of 2024T6 >-->aluminum, which had rotted out from the inside. Which led to a LARGE >-->project, eating up about a month of my spare time. A patch of >-->aluminum >-->about the size of my fist had turned into flaky cardboard. scarey thought... I wish you hadn't told me this... ;) john >--> >--> It CAN be protected.... I would recommend epoxy zinc chromate primer >-->topcoated with Imron. Aren't Hummvee chassis aluminum? >--> >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:24:00 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? Yep, the original HUMVEE/HUMMER chassis below the beltline is all aircraft grade aluminum and it is treated with a process that leaves it gold in color, I forget the name, will have to take another look when I go to the factory, keeps the corrosion away for a long time, especially after primer and CARC paint are added on top of it. The oldest HUMVEE's in the fleet were fielded in 1995 and are still in use :-) Edward Jerry Kaidor wrote: >>could be done >>manually >>to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need to be >>a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make the >>frame I could >>keep the weight down... >> >> >> >*** The trouble with that is that the stronger the alloy, the higher the >heat treat, the more prone it is to corrosion. And I'm told your area can >be a bit soggy. > > Reminds me of the time I was messing with my airplane, and put a >screwdriver right through the door post. Which was made of 2024T6 >aluminum, which had rotted out from the inside. Which led to a LARGE >project, eating up about a month of my spare time. A patch of >aluminum >about the size of my fist had turned into flaky cardboard. > > It CAN be protected.... I would recommend epoxy zinc chromate primer >topcoated with Imron. Aren't Hummvee chassis aluminum? > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->Yep, the original HUMVEE/HUMMER chassis below the beltline is all aircraft > -->grade aluminum and it is treated with a process that leaves it gold in > -->color, I forget the name, will have to take another look when I go to the > -->factory, keeps the corrosion away for a long time, especially after primer > -->and CARC paint are added on top of it. The oldest HUMVEE's in the fleet were > -->fielded in 1995 and are still in use :-) way back in 1995, eh? ;) my goodness, that's a long time ago... :) I wonder what they used on my '48 Willys? ;) john > --> > -->Edward > --> > -->Jerry Kaidor wrote: > --> > -->> > could be done > -->> > manually > -->> > to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need > -->> > to be > -->> > a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make > -->> > the > -->> > frame I could > -->> > keep the weight down... > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > > -->> *** The trouble with that is that the stronger the alloy, the higher the > -->> heat treat, the more prone it is to corrosion. And I'm told your area > -->> can > -->> be a bit soggy. > -->> > -->> Reminds me of the time I was messing with my airplane, and put a > -->> screwdriver right through the door post. Which was made of 2024T6 > -->> aluminum, which had rotted out from the inside. Which led to a LARGE > -->> project, eating up about a month of my spare time. A patch of > -->> aluminum > -->> about the size of my fist had turned into flaky cardboard. > -->> > -->> It CAN be protected.... I would recommend epoxy zinc chromate primer > -->> topcoated with Imron. Aren't Hummvee chassis aluminum? > -->> > -->> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:46:10 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] the ultimate trailer? OOPs - make that 1985, my fat finger. But yes, the proof of the pudding or Aluminum Oxide as the case may be, will be 50 years down the road. Not that there are that many 48 Willys running about, and some of those were built by them and Kaiser (prececessors of AM General). Edward john wrote: >On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > > > >>-->Yep, the original HUMVEE/HUMMER chassis below the beltline is all aircraft >>-->grade aluminum and it is treated with a process that leaves it gold in >>-->color, I forget the name, will have to take another look when I go to the >>-->factory, keeps the corrosion away for a long time, especially after primer >>-->and CARC paint are added on top of it. The oldest HUMVEE's in the fleet were >>-->fielded in 1995 and are still in use :-) >> >> > >way back in 1995, eh? ;) my goodness, that's a long time ago... :) > >I wonder what they used on my '48 Willys? ;) > >john > > > >>--> >>-->Edward >>--> >>-->Jerry Kaidor wrote: >>--> >>-->> > could be done >>-->> > manually >>-->> > to reduce weight... In order to haul a car it probably will need >>-->> > to be >>-->> > a double axle trailer... if I used aluminum alloy channel to make >>-->> > the >>-->> > frame I could >>-->> > keep the weight down... >>-->> > >>-->> > >>-->> > >>-->> *** The trouble with that is that the stronger the alloy, the higher the >>-->> heat treat, the more prone it is to corrosion. And I'm told your area >>-->> can >>-->> be a bit soggy. >>-->> >>-->> Reminds me of the time I was messing with my airplane, and put a >>-->> screwdriver right through the door post. Which was made of 2024T6 >>-->> aluminum, which had rotted out from the inside. Which led to a LARGE >>-->> project, eating up about a month of my spare time. A patch of >>-->> aluminum >>-->> about the size of my fist had turned into flaky cardboard. >>-->> >>-->> It CAN be protected.... I would recommend epoxy zinc chromate primer >>-->> topcoated with Imron. Aren't Hummvee chassis aluminum? >>-->> >>-->> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>--> >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2022 **********************************