From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Nov 28 21:48:26 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, November 29 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2030 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] starting problems Re: [db] starting problems RE: [db] starting problems Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) Re: [db] lock icing Re: [db] turkey oil available Re: [db] to turbo, or not to turbo... that is the question... Re: [db] starting problems Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:40:42 -0800 From: Charles Redell Subject: Re: [db] starting problems this sounds hopeful. I wouldn't be surprised if I need to do the valves. it's been on my list. a new battery is a little surprising as, when I bought it, the guy SAID it was newer... but who knows. I'm willing to start there as a battery is less expensive than replacing a starter.... short of a new battery in the immediate, is there a possibility that if I jump the thing, it'll start so I can drive to sears and get a new battery? thanks! c On 11/28/05, Alec Cordova wrote: > > The starter is probably fine. Unlike almost every other car, the owner's > manual approves keeping the starter turning for I think a full two > minutes, > with just a one minute rest between attempts. It may be the other way > around, but that's still great gobs more than your average Ford or Chevy. > > Your battery may be dying, and it no longer holds enough oomph to glow the > plugs and turn the starter fast enough for things to get going, especially > when it's cold. > > Your valves probably need to be adjusted. It's scheduled maintenance every > 15,000 miles. Cost you a valve cover gasket and some time with half decent > wrenches. I did notice that mercedessource.com grinds down some wrenches > to > fit better. He has lots of neat custom made tools fairly cheap. > > Although your symptoms do suggest expired glow plugs, I believe the dash > light is wired into the system such that it will either not work or will > flash if any plug is dead. > > I'd do the valves and look for a new battery, then rattle on your merry > way > to treat that BioD for the winter. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 196K > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Charles Redell > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:16 PM > > To: db > > Subject: [db] starting problems > > > > > > Hi folks, > > I have an issue with the mercedes and would like some help diagnosing > > please. > > > > Here's the situation. I went away for a vacation for 10 days and asked > my > > housesitter to please start my car every couple of days and move it so > it > > didn't get a ticket. for some reason, he didn't start it (no ticket > > thankfully) and when I returned, it was very hard to start. It was kind > of > > hard to start before I left too. What would happen then is that I > > would let > > the glow plugs warm up, then sit for another 10 seconds or so after the > > light went out before turning the key completely. The starter would > crank, > > the engine would come close to catching but wouldn't and I would stop, > let > > the white smoke clear and then start the cycle again. It would > > take three or > > so cycles of this when starting the car for the first time in a day > before > > it would catch. This all started as it began getting colder out > > and because > > I never had this issue in the afternoon, I figured that the > > problem might be > > the glow plugs and that I should replace them. > > > > Well, now that I am back from vacation, it is quite cold out (at least > for > > Seattle). It's been around 40 degrees yesterday and today and since I am > > running B99 I was going to go and get some Dino diesel to mix with it > this > > evenning to mitigate any gelling problems... but now it won't > > start at all. > > Yesterday, I tried the above cycle a bunch of times and it wouldn't > catch. > > eventually tthe starter sounded really sad. Like it was barely turning. > An > > hour later, I went back with a friend to try and jump it but the thing > > started right up no problem. Today, I went down and went through the > same > > cycle a few times and the car didn't start. After a few tries, the > starter > > sounded VERY slow and was actually not making any noise after a > > few seconds > > of trying. If I let the car sit for a few minutes, it would crank again, > a > > bit, and then die off. I let it sit for half an hour and tried > > again and the > > starter sounded a bit stronger before dying out. > > > > The lights work, the radio works, the instruments work and the > > horn works so > > I don't think the battery is dead or in need of a jump. am I > > wrong? Could I > > have killed my starter by over cranking it? Does it need to be > > replaced? Do > > I need a jump? Do I need new starter plugs? > > > > Thanks! > > c > > > > -- > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) > > > > - -- Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:07:44 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] starting problems On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 06:40:42PM -0800, Charles Redell wrote: > short of a new battery in the immediate, is there a possibility that if I > jump the thing, it'll start so I can drive to sears and get a new battery? Yes. In fact, you can call 800-for-merc, ask for roadside, and have them come jumpstart it for you. Free for the life of the car. Don't turn it off until you are at the destination you wish to buy the battery, if indeed that is it. Cold snaps are brutal on otherwise fine batteries. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:15:27 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] starting problems As Kevin mentioned, you can pull or push start these, even with the automatic transmission. I thini you need at least 15 or 20 mph, maybe even more, but the two-pump tranny will turn the motor. I also agree that once it gets started and gets a chance to build up some heat in that cast iron, it'll run plenty well enough to get you anywhere. Alec > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Charles Redell > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:41 PM > To: db > Subject: Re: [db] starting problems > > > this sounds hopeful. I wouldn't be surprised if I need to do the valves. > it's been on my list. > a new battery is a little surprising as, when I bought it, the guy SAID it > was newer... but who knows. I'm willing to start there as a > battery is less > expensive than replacing a starter.... > > short of a new battery in the immediate, is there a possibility that if I > jump the thing, it'll start so I can drive to sears and get a new battery? > > thanks! > c > > On 11/28/05, Alec Cordova wrote: > > > > The starter is probably fine. Unlike almost every other car, the owner's > > manual approves keeping the starter turning for I think a full two > > minutes, > > with just a one minute rest between attempts. It may be the other way > > around, but that's still great gobs more than your average Ford > or Chevy. > > > > Your battery may be dying, and it no longer holds enough oomph > to glow the > > plugs and turn the starter fast enough for things to get going, > especially > > when it's cold. > > > > Your valves probably need to be adjusted. It's scheduled > maintenance every > > 15,000 miles. Cost you a valve cover gasket and some time with > half decent > > wrenches. I did notice that mercedessource.com grinds down some wrenches > > to > > fit better. He has lots of neat custom made tools fairly cheap. > > > > Although your symptoms do suggest expired glow plugs, I believe the dash > > light is wired into the system such that it will either not work or will > > flash if any plug is dead. > > > > I'd do the valves and look for a new battery, then rattle on your merry > > way > > to treat that BioD for the winter. > > > > Alec Cordova > > Taylor, Texas > > 89 300CE, 196K > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Charles Redell > > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:16 PM > > > To: db > > > Subject: [db] starting problems > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > I have an issue with the mercedes and would like some help diagnosing > > > please. > > > > > > Here's the situation. I went away for a vacation for 10 days and asked > > my > > > housesitter to please start my car every couple of days and move it so > > it > > > didn't get a ticket. for some reason, he didn't start it (no ticket > > > thankfully) and when I returned, it was very hard to start. > It was kind > > of > > > hard to start before I left too. What would happen then is that I > > > would let > > > the glow plugs warm up, then sit for another 10 seconds or so > after the > > > light went out before turning the key completely. The starter would > > crank, > > > the engine would come close to catching but wouldn't and I would stop, > > let > > > the white smoke clear and then start the cycle again. It would > > > take three or > > > so cycles of this when starting the car for the first time in a day > > before > > > it would catch. This all started as it began getting colder out > > > and because > > > I never had this issue in the afternoon, I figured that the > > > problem might be > > > the glow plugs and that I should replace them. > > > > > > Well, now that I am back from vacation, it is quite cold out (at least > > for > > > Seattle). It's been around 40 degrees yesterday and today and > since I am > > > running B99 I was going to go and get some Dino diesel to mix with it > > this > > > evenning to mitigate any gelling problems... but now it won't > > > start at all. > > > Yesterday, I tried the above cycle a bunch of times and it wouldn't > > catch. > > > eventually tthe starter sounded really sad. Like it was > barely turning. > > An > > > hour later, I went back with a friend to try and jump it but the thing > > > started right up no problem. Today, I went down and went through the > > same > > > cycle a few times and the car didn't start. After a few tries, the > > starter > > > sounded VERY slow and was actually not making any noise after a > > > few seconds > > > of trying. If I let the car sit for a few minutes, it would > crank again, > > a > > > bit, and then die off. I let it sit for half an hour and tried > > > again and the > > > starter sounded a bit stronger before dying out. > > > > > > The lights work, the radio works, the instruments work and the > > > horn works so > > > I don't think the battery is dead or in need of a jump. am I > > > wrong? Could I > > > have killed my starter by over cranking it? Does it need to be > > > replaced? Do > > > I need a jump? Do I need new starter plugs? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > c > > > > > > -- > > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) > > > > > > > > > > -- > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:16:21 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) Yup. Was coming back from Vancouver, BC just after it happened (southbound, fortunately). Spent about an hour in the traffic back up (averaged about 34mpg for the trip up and back). Had light snow and ice at our place (~2 miles south of Alderwood Mall). Unfortunately, had to drive mother-in-law to the airport for an early AM flight on Monday, when they were warning about freezing fog. Wasn't too bad, though, as it turned out. Well, back to changing out the gas regulator on my water heater. Hope I don't blow up the house, and that I have hot water for tomorrow morning! - -bkc Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) '92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) On Sun Nov 27, 2005, john wrote: > > we have all the weather, all the time... > > from a dusting of snow to sunbreaks, all in one day... > multiple car crash in I-5 about 25 miles north of here, 30 cars involved... > it's cold out there... must be about 40 degrees... ;) > > woke up to snow on the Jeep this morning... but not on the driveway.. > > we'll see what tomorrow brings... I may have to steal the wife's WJ to > get to work... really need SuperDawg... :) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:11:07 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] lock icing Locks? Hah! Try living in New York, where the entire door freezes solid. Get one of those pocket lock deicers, and be glad for temperate weather. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:40:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turkey oil available where? peanut oil is the "best" from what I recall... and the guy didn't burn his house down? good for him. :) john On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->Hey gang, >-->I just got an email from a non-diesel-driving friend of mine who deep fried >-->his turkey this year and now has "2-3 gallons of slightly used peanut oil" >-->that he wants to dispose of. Anyone out there want to pick it up from him >-->and use it for driving? >--> >-->drop me a line and I will hook you up with Ray. >--> >-->Thanks! >-->c >--> >-->-- >-->Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 >-->(if you don't know what this means, just ask!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] to turbo, or not to turbo... that is the question... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, J.B. Hebert wrote: > -->I saw a writeup on the Banks kit, and it made no changes to the injection > -->pump except to turn up the fuel rate (easily done with an allen wrench). > -->Seems to me that you shouldn't have to do more than that when adding a stock > -->setup. sounds good, a friend has found a dead 6.2L with a good banks setup he's going to make me a good deal on... if he gets it... haven't seen all my email yet. ;) john > --> > -->J.B. > --> > -->At 09:10 PM 11/26/2005, you wrote: > --> > -->> I bid on a new turbo for a 6.2L/6.5L Diesel yesterday, was outbid... > -->> the pictures and description indicate it's a new GM turbo. It looks > -->> complete > -->> and in good shape. Today I got a notice that I have a 2nd chance offer > -->> on it. :) > -->> I kind of figured the other bidder might back out, he had two > -->> feedbacks... > -->> > -->> I've seen the manifolds (exhaust mainly) and the intake setup pretty > -->> reasonable > -->> on ebay... Question is, what else do I need to make the turbo complete > -->> on the 6.2L? Do > -->> I need a different injection pump or is there something to add fuel when > -->> boosting??? > -->> > -->> Is it worth $120 to buy the new turbo, and then another $150 or so for > -->> the manifolds? > -->> > -->> A Banks kit still sells for close to 2 grand... so the basic math is > -->> there... and > -->> I know from driving both normally aspirated and turbo charged Diesels > -->> that there is > -->> a MAJOR difference in power, acceleration and ECONOMY... > -->> > -->> The 6.2L Diesel is a robust and long lived engine, so it's not at risk > -->> putting > -->> a turbo on it... four bolt main, roller lifter cam... beefy webs in > -->> the block... > -->> (insert Tim Allen grunt here)... > -->> > -->> so what's my problem? this makes sense... :) Silly turbos cost three > -->> times that > -->> to rebuild... this is a no-brainer... right??? :) > -->> > -->> thanx, you guys have been a great help... (I'll wait until later to > -->> actually > -->> close the deal, so there is time for you to talk me back out of it... ;) > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> -- > -->> No virus found in this incoming message. > -->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: > -->> 11/27/2005 > --> > --> > -->-- > -->No virus found in this outgoing message. > -->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 > --> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:47:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] starting problems I wouldn't recommend sears... if you want drive up to the interstate battery off of 128th in everett, exit 186, it's west of the freeway, first light turn left, then go past the shpping center and it's either the first street or 2nd and up the hill... tell them you're a customer of meister distribution & services and just ask to pay the sales tax... you'll be happy with the discount. they'll test your battery as well... they stand by their warranties well too... and they have blems at even better discounts... I have a deep cycle marine battery for my trailer that cost me $37 and it's the same size as the benz battery! :) picked up a trickle charger for less than $10 too... email me off list for my number if you need more info, I sent paul also from the list up there and he didn't have any problems getting the wholesale price... john On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Charles Redell wrote: >-->this sounds hopeful. I wouldn't be surprised if I need to do the valves. >-->it's been on my list. >-->a new battery is a little surprising as, when I bought it, the guy SAID it >-->was newer... but who knows. I'm willing to start there as a battery is less >-->expensive than replacing a starter.... >--> >-->short of a new battery in the immediate, is there a possibility that if I >-->jump the thing, it'll start so I can drive to sears and get a new battery? >--> >-->thanks! >-->c >--> >-->On 11/28/05, Alec Cordova wrote: >-->> >-->> The starter is probably fine. Unlike almost every other car, the owner's >-->> manual approves keeping the starter turning for I think a full two >-->> minutes, >-->> with just a one minute rest between attempts. It may be the other way >-->> around, but that's still great gobs more than your average Ford or Chevy. >-->> >-->> Your battery may be dying, and it no longer holds enough oomph to glow the >-->> plugs and turn the starter fast enough for things to get going, especially >-->> when it's cold. >-->> >-->> Your valves probably need to be adjusted. It's scheduled maintenance every >-->> 15,000 miles. Cost you a valve cover gasket and some time with half decent >-->> wrenches. I did notice that mercedessource.com grinds down some wrenches >-->> to >-->> fit better. He has lots of neat custom made tools fairly cheap. >-->> >-->> Although your symptoms do suggest expired glow plugs, I believe the dash >-->> light is wired into the system such that it will either not work or will >-->> flash if any plug is dead. >-->> >-->> I'd do the valves and look for a new battery, then rattle on your merry >-->> way >-->> to treat that BioD for the winter. >-->> >-->> Alec Cordova >-->> Taylor, Texas >-->> 89 300CE, 196K >-->> >-->> > -----Original Message----- >-->> > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->> > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Charles Redell >-->> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:16 PM >-->> > To: db >-->> > Subject: [db] starting problems >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > Hi folks, >-->> > I have an issue with the mercedes and would like some help diagnosing >-->> > please. >-->> > >-->> > Here's the situation. I went away for a vacation for 10 days and asked >-->> my >-->> > housesitter to please start my car every couple of days and move it so >-->> it >-->> > didn't get a ticket. for some reason, he didn't start it (no ticket >-->> > thankfully) and when I returned, it was very hard to start. It was kind >-->> of >-->> > hard to start before I left too. What would happen then is that I >-->> > would let >-->> > the glow plugs warm up, then sit for another 10 seconds or so after the >-->> > light went out before turning the key completely. The starter would >-->> crank, >-->> > the engine would come close to catching but wouldn't and I would stop, >-->> let >-->> > the white smoke clear and then start the cycle again. It would >-->> > take three or >-->> > so cycles of this when starting the car for the first time in a day >-->> before >-->> > it would catch. This all started as it began getting colder out >-->> > and because >-->> > I never had this issue in the afternoon, I figured that the >-->> > problem might be >-->> > the glow plugs and that I should replace them. >-->> > >-->> > Well, now that I am back from vacation, it is quite cold out (at least >-->> for >-->> > Seattle). It's been around 40 degrees yesterday and today and since I am >-->> > running B99 I was going to go and get some Dino diesel to mix with it >-->> this >-->> > evenning to mitigate any gelling problems... but now it won't >-->> > start at all. >-->> > Yesterday, I tried the above cycle a bunch of times and it wouldn't >-->> catch. >-->> > eventually tthe starter sounded really sad. Like it was barely turning. >-->> An >-->> > hour later, I went back with a friend to try and jump it but the thing >-->> > started right up no problem. Today, I went down and went through the >-->> same >-->> > cycle a few times and the car didn't start. After a few tries, the >-->> starter >-->> > sounded VERY slow and was actually not making any noise after a >-->> > few seconds >-->> > of trying. If I let the car sit for a few minutes, it would crank again, >-->> a >-->> > bit, and then die off. I let it sit for half an hour and tried >-->> > again and the >-->> > starter sounded a bit stronger before dying out. >-->> > >-->> > The lights work, the radio works, the instruments work and the >-->> > horn works so >-->> > I don't think the battery is dead or in need of a jump. am I >-->> > wrong? Could I >-->> > have killed my starter by over cranking it? Does it need to be >-->> > replaced? Do >-->> > I need a jump? Do I need new starter plugs? >-->> > >-->> > Thanks! >-->> > c >-->> > >-->> > -- >-->> > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 >-->> > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) >-->> > >-->> >-->> >--> >--> >-->-- >-->Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 >-->(if you don't know what this means, just ask!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2030 **********************************