From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Nov 29 08:17:53 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, November 29 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2031 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) Re: [db] lock icing Re: [db] John made me do it! [db] Who was Mercedes ? Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) Re: [db] turkey oil available Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? Re: [db] John made me do it! Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) Re: [db] turkey oil available Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? (long answer) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) finally got our propane heater working... it was 25 deg this morning... ;) my benz started right up... looks like we might have snow tomorrow am... I may be driving the jeep tomorrow... left my laptop at work so I have to go in... boeing doesn't do snow days... :) john On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Yup. Was coming back from Vancouver, BC just after >-->it happened (southbound, fortunately). Spent about >-->an hour in the traffic back up (averaged about 34mpg >-->for the trip up and back). >--> >-->Had light snow and ice at our place (~2 miles south >-->of Alderwood Mall). Unfortunately, had to drive >-->mother-in-law to the airport for an early AM flight >-->on Monday, when they were warning about freezing fog. >-->Wasn't too bad, though, as it turned out. >--> >-->Well, back to changing out the gas regulator on my >-->water heater. Hope I don't blow up the house, and >-->that I have hot water for tomorrow morning! >--> >-->-bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >-->'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold) >-->'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) >-->'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >--> >-->On Sun Nov 27, 2005, john wrote: >-->> >-->> we have all the weather, all the time... >-->> >-->> from a dusting of snow to sunbreaks, all in one day... >-->> multiple car crash in I-5 about 25 miles north of here, 30 cars involved... >-->> it's cold out there... must be about 40 degrees... ;) >-->> >-->> woke up to snow on the Jeep this morning... but not on the driveway.. >-->> >-->> we'll see what tomorrow brings... I may have to steal the wife's WJ to >-->> get to work... really need SuperDawg... :) >-->> >-->> john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] lock icing I remember those days in Chicago... dang, you'd get the door open finally, then it wouldn't latch... be driving through the snow drifts with the door of my mustang flapping around until the heater got warm enough to thaw the grease so it would latch... 30 below is not a lot of fun... ;) I don't miss the windy city... hey, I don't miss the sunshine neither... ;) john On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Michael Frank wrote: > -->Locks? Hah! Try living in New York, where the entire door freezes solid. Get > -->one of those pocket lock deicers, and be glad for temperate weather. > --> > -->Mike Frank > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:26:11 +0000 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] John made me do it! On Fri Nov 25, 2005, john wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Jon Filina wrote: > > > > -->A few things puzzled me, though. There is no glovebox... Huh?? The > > -->passenger side airbag takes it's place. I don't understand it... Also, > > air bags go where the glovebox used to be, Bruce's '93 is the same way... > center console replaces said glove box. I wouldn't mind having one of those > glovebox/console things, my console is pretty useless... Yeah, I remember bitching at the salesman about that when I test drove a '95 E300D (went with a '95 Subaru Legacy wagon at the time, instead). Mercedes just didn't seem to be able to figure out how to have both a glove compartment and the airbag together, even though just about everyone else got it working (e.g. Subaru). They've never paid all that much attention to interior storage (finally started adding the mesh netting in the passenger footwell a few years ago, at least -- are those retrofittable into older cars? Haven't seen anything along those lines at Schucks.) > > -->there is a switch on the console for the rear headrests. Press it and > > -->they "thump" back to the package tray. It gave both the salesman and > > -->myself a chuckle. But, what is the purpose of that? > > not sure, but they come up manually... :) I love popping those things down... > wish there was an automatic up feature. ;) > > I think they did that so you could see behind you in tight spaces... Yup. It is advertised as a feature for rearward visibility, whether while driving (with no passengers in the back) or when backing up. Haven't tested how strong the spring-mounting is, yet. Wonder whether it will smash anything? > > -->John, since you have a '91, are there any gotcha's I should be looking > > -->for? > > -->I know what you liked, or didn't, on the W123's and W126's. Are these > > -->W124's that much better? If I'm making a mistake, there's still time to > > -->back out... > > no, you will be very happy. I think the 3.0L i-6 is ok, just never over heat > it. it's the 3.5L that was cursed. Alternator apparently dies around 180,000 miles, if it hasn't already been replaced. (Learned that one in Edgerton, WI, as was so recently chronicled on this list!) I assume the '95 doesn't have the same timing chain issue as the '93? > Get the ignition switch replaced if it hasn't been. Otherwise nothing I can > think of. I bought mine with about the same mileage about two years ago, > right? I think it has been asked before, but how can I tell if mine is in need of replacement? I haven't noticed any problems getting the keys in or out, nor problems turning the keys... > my herd is thinned a bit... > daily driver: '91 300D 2.5LTD > wife's Jeep: '99 WJ Grand Cherokee > daughter's car: '91 Pontiac Grand Am > > other items in the driveway: '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer, > the '83 GMC Jimmy that is going to AZ and will have it's spot filled with a > '48 Willys CJ2, > (pray for my son's safe travels towing it home behind his aged and abused '87 > xj cherokee...) > > and then, at some point, quite possibly in my life time... my '83 J10 Stepside > will return home with a 6.2L Diesel and a new paint job... making some > progress... Wow. Wait. Does this mean that, at least until my ML gets sold, I have as many vehicles as you do?!? (not counting trailer) - -bkc Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] '92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:54:08 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: [db] Who was Mercedes ? I seem to remember she was the daughter of a Benz agent / importer somewhere. ??????? Cheers, Ron. - -- Too much of a good thing is WONDERFUL. -- Mae West -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:54:53 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) >finally got our propane heater working... it was 25 deg this morning... ;) > >my benz started right up... looks like we might have snow tomorrow >am... I may be driving the jeep tomorrow... left my laptop at >work so I have to go in... boeing doesn't do snow days... :) Not as cold this morning. Snow on the ground up at my house, but was gone by the time I dropped 300 feet or so into Arlington. I had to shuttle a carload of Alaskan in-laws down to Sea-Tac this morning... a bit of snow on the hill in Everett up by The Lazy B... but very thin covering. Raining HARD down here by Boeing Field, if it turns to snow like they predict it could be a rough day. TDI fired right up too, but it lives in a garage. =) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:51:24 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] turkey oil available At 2:31 PM -0800 11/28/05, Charles Redell wrote: >Hey gang, >I just got an email from a non-diesel-driving friend of mine who deep fried >his turkey this year and now has "2-3 gallons of slightly used peanut oil" >that he wants to dispose of. Anyone out there want to pick it up from him >and use it for driving? > >drop me a line and I will hook you up with Ray. Helps if you let us know where (continent/region/state/province/city/town/lat&lon/etc) this oil may be. This list is global in nature, perhaps even interplanetary. =) We can assume it is in the US, given that some large percentage of us ate a turkey or two last week. If it is in or around Seattle either John or I would happily take it. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:16:39 +0100 From: Andreas Kreft Subject: Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? Am Dingsdag, 29. November 2005, 13:54 schrieb Renaud (Ron) Olgiati: > I seem to remember she was the daughter of a Benz agent / importer > somewhere. Ja. She was the daughter of the German salesman Emil Jellinek. That Mr Jellinek distributed Gottlieb Daimler's cars around 1900 in Germany and Austria and put them up on some car races to increase their popularity, using the pseudonyme "Monsieur Mercedhs". Shortly afterwards "Mercedes" became the commonly used term for Daimlers and Benzes. Andreas - -- In the Spring, I have counted 136 different kinds of weather inside of 24 hours. -- Mark Twain, on New England weather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] John made me do it! On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >--> Wow. Wait. Does this mean that, at least until >--> my ML gets sold, I have as many vehicles as you >--> do?!? (not counting trailer) >-->-bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >-->'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >-->'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) >-->'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold) yep, not counting trailers... ;) at least IN the driveway HERE... :) (almost didn't count the Jimmy, which means you would have had more! ;) '99 WJ Jeep Grand Cherokee (4.0L) '91 300D 2.5L TD '83 Jimmy 6.2L Diesel --> '48 Willys CJ-2A in about a week... :) actually, this one isn't technically mine in title or ownership, I just fix it and have to look at it: '91 Grand Am so that does mean you have more than I do... ;) of course if you count the ones down in Centralia: '83 J10 Stepside and for now, the '67 J100 Panel and the '79 J10 Golden Eagle, both of which are going to curtis for what was supposed to be a four month project, that started almost five years ago... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? she was the daughter of one of the co-founders, I'll find the source... john On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->I seem to remember she was the daughter of a Benz agent / importer somewhere. >--> >-->??????? >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Ron. >-->-- >--> Too much of a good thing is WONDERFUL. >--> -- Mae West >--> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] all weather, all the time... :) my daughter was able to drive out with her grand am this morning... my biggest concern was if it had frozen then snowed... folks around here don't know snow to begin with and to put a coat of ice under it would be an absolute disaster.... it was hard enough in Chicago, can't imagine what would happen here... :) john On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->> finally got our propane heater working... it was 25 deg this morning... > -->> ;) > -->> > -->> my benz started right up... looks like we might have snow tomorrow > -->> am... I may be driving the jeep tomorrow... left my laptop at > -->> work so I have to go in... boeing doesn't do snow days... :) > --> > -->Not as cold this morning. Snow on the ground up at my house, but was gone by > -->the time I dropped 300 feet or so into Arlington. I had to shuttle a carload > -->of Alaskan in-laws down to Sea-Tac this morning... a bit of snow on the hill > -->in Everett up by The Lazy B... but very thin covering. > --> > -->Raining HARD down here by Boeing Field, if it turns to snow like they > -->predict it could be a rough day. > --> > -->TDI fired right up too, but it lives in a garage. =) > --> > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 07:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] turkey oil available On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->At 2:31 PM -0800 11/28/05, Charles Redell wrote: > -->> Hey gang, > -->> I just got an email from a non-diesel-driving friend of mine who deep > -->> fried > -->> his turkey this year and now has "2-3 gallons of slightly used peanut > -->> oil" > -->> that he wants to dispose of. Anyone out there want to pick it up from > -->> him > -->> and use it for driving? > -->> > -->> drop me a line and I will hook you up with Ray. > --> > -->Helps if you let us know where > -->(continent/region/state/province/city/town/lat&lon/etc) this oil may be. > -->This list is global in nature, perhaps even interplanetary. =) hey, there's a thought, craigslist gives us the option of posting to outer space... ;) > -->We can assume it is in the US, given that some large percentage of us ate a > -->turkey or two last week. > --> > -->If it is in or around Seattle either John or I would happily take it. speaking of which, how's the biodiesel project going over there bruce? :) john > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:24:31 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? I'm pretty sure the first answer was closer. She was the daughter of Emil Jellinek (sp?), one of the early Daimler distributors. He was willing to buy a big batch of cars if they would simply name that model after his daughter. Daimler wanted the business, and evidently the car he spec'd out was a hit, prompting the adoption of the Mercedes name for future Daimler models. or something like that. It may even be hidden somewhere on the D-C corporate website. Alec Quoting john : > she was the daughter of one of the co-founders, I'll find > the source... > > john > > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > >-->I seem to remember she was the daughter of a Benz agent / importer > somewhere. > >--> > >-->??????? > >--> > >-->Cheers, > >--> > >-->Ron. > >-->-- > >--> Too much of a good thing is WONDERFUL. > >--> -- Mae West > >--> > >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:03:52 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Who was Mercedes ? (long answer) OK. from the MBUSA website (http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/heritage/history.jsp&menu=2_0&sub= 2): Emil Jellinek becomes involved Mercedes -- a Spanish girls' name meaning 'grace' -- was the name of the daughter born in 1889 to the Austrian businessman, Emil Jellinek, who had homes in Baden near Vienna and Nice. A progressive thinker with an interest in sport, Jellinek turned his enthusiasm to the dawning age of the automobile, an invention he knew would be of key importance for the future. As early as 1897, he made the journey to Cannstatt to visit the Daimler factory and ordered his first Daimler car - a 6 hp belt-driven vehicle with two-cylinder engine. But the car, delivered in October 1897 and with a top speed of 24 km/h, was soon too slow for Jellinek. He demanded 40 km/h and ordered two more vehicles. Supplied in September 1898, the two Daimler "Phoenix" cars, with their front--mounted 8 hp engines, were the world's first road vehicles with four-cylinder engines. Emil Jellinek had good contacts with the worlds of international finance and the aristocracy and became increasingly active as a businessman. In 1898, he began to promote and sell Daimler automobiles - in particular, within the higher echelons of society. In 1899, DMG supplied Jellinek with 10 vehicles; in 1900, he received as many as 29. Jellinek demanded ever faster and more powerful vehicles from DMG. From 1899, he also entered these in race meetings -- first and foremost of which was the Nice week -- where he would race under his pseudonym, 'Mercidhs', the name of his daughter aged ten at the time. Initially, he used the name not as an automotive brand name but merely as a team and driver designation. At the beginning of April 1900, Jellinek made an agreement with DMG concerning sales of Daimler cars and engines. The decision was taken to develop a new engine "bearing the name Daimler-Mercedes", thereby introducing Jellinek's pseudonym as a product designation. Two weeks later, Jellinek ordered 36 of the vehicles at a total price of 550,000 marks -- a sizeable order even at today's equivalent value of DM 5.5 million. A few weeks later, he placed an order for another 36 vehicles, all with 8 hp engines. The first Mercedes and the new trade name The first vehicle to be fitted with the new engine, a 35 hp racing car, was delivered to Jellinek by DMG on December 22, 1900. This first 'Mercedes', developed by Wilhelm Maybach, the chief engineer at DMG, caused quite a stir in the first year of the new century. With its low center of gravity, pressed-steel frame, light, high-performance engine and honeycomb radiator, it featured numerous innovations and is regarded today as the first modern automobile. The Nice week in March 1901, during which the Mercedes vehicles were found to be unbeatable in virtually every discipline, attracted enormous publicity for Jellinek and the Mercedes. In March and August 1901, the 12/16 hp and 8/11 hp sister models appeared. Jellinek's orders soon stretched the Daimler plant in Cannstatt to full production capacity. 'Mercedes' was lodged as a trade name on June 23, 1902 and legally registered on September 26. From June 1903, Emil Jellinek obtained permission to call himself Jellinek-Mercedes, commenting: "This is probably the first time that a father has taken his daughter's name." Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 196K ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2031 **********************************