From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 11 20:19:46 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, December 12 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2045 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! 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Granted I don;t have particularly good tools, but I >-->was using a 17mm open-ended wrench to loosen the fuel lines from the >-->injectors and the pump, and had the right sizes for the plugs themselves >-->too.... and good god those little things were hard to get out.... For some >-->reason, I couldn't loosen the nut on two of my three fuel lines so had to >-->work around that which left very little room to unscrew the plugs >-->themselves. And did I mention how hard it is to reach them anyway? And what >-->about how easy it is to drop your wrench, ratchet and even new blow plug >-->down below the engine block. repeatedly. >--> >-->Hours I tell you. This took me hours. all day actually. >--> >-->But, and here's the good part, it worked! BIOMONSTER LIVES AGAIN! >--> >-->Now, if someone could just make my poor hands feel better. >-->c >--> >-->-- >-->Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 >-->(if you don't know what this means, just ask!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:52:31 -0600 From: tom savage Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? Michael Frank wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/abpdz Looks like a gray market W124.125 250D. OM602.912 non-turbo five-banger, 90something hp. Be a really nice car with a stick. I liked it until I saw that atrocity of a sunroof. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:14:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? wow... a real european model... manual windows, dual climate controls, is that a factory pop up sunroof???? 2.5L normally aspirated engine, automatic trans, 124 chassis... sweet... euro lights as well... so it is possible to import a european spec car, maybe I should look for a Grand Cherokee with the Turbo Diesel. ;) john On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Michael Frank wrote: > -->http://tinyurl.com/abpdz > --> > -->Mike Frank > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? question is, what is that sunroof? the european models are far more simple than ours... that may have been an option, it's a good quality sunroof comparable to what you'd find in an american car with a factory installed popup sunroof... john On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, tom savage wrote: > -->Michael Frank wrote: > -->> http://tinyurl.com/abpdz > --> > -->Looks like a gray market W124.125 250D. OM602.912 non-turbo five-banger, > -->90something hp. Be a really nice car with a stick. I liked it until I saw > -->that atrocity of a sunroof. > --> > -->Tom > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:54:05 -0600 From: tom savage Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? john wrote: > question is, what is that sunroof? the european models are > far more simple than ours... that may have been an option, it's > a good quality sunroof comparable to what you'd find in an > american car with a factory installed popup sunroof... The only difference between US and rest-of-world sunroofs is that we didn't get the option of a manual opening mechanism. I've seen many "euro" 124s in Asia and they all have the same sunroof aperture as US models. Same for all other non-US chassis I've encountered. I don't know if there are any structural differences between sunroof and non-sunroof cars, but I suspect that hacking that hole in the roof has compromised the scructure of the car at least a little, if not a lot. And there's no way they bothered to install drain holes. A few midwestern winters and that roof will be a rusty mess; I've seen it happen before. Bummer, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:32:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, tom savage wrote: > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> question is, what is that sunroof? the european models are > -->> far more simple than ours... that may have been an option, it's > -->> a good quality sunroof comparable to what you'd find in an > -->> american car with a factory installed popup sunroof... > --> > -->The only difference between US and rest-of-world sunroofs is that we didn't > -->get the option of a manual opening mechanism. I've seen many "euro" 124s in > -->Asia and they all have the same sunroof aperture as US models. Same for all > -->other non-US chassis I've encountered. > --> > -->I don't know if there are any structural differences between sunroof and > -->non-sunroof cars, but I suspect that hacking that hole in the roof has > -->compromised the scructure of the car at least a little, if not a lot. And > -->there's no way they bothered to install drain holes. A few midwestern > -->winters and that roof will be a rusty mess; I've seen it happen before. > -->Bummer, > -->Tom I've had a sunroof like that in my J10 for years... and in other cars, no problems... dang, my '48 Willys is sitting out in the carport with bare metal and not rusting... If you're worried about rust, move west, just avoid denver and salt lake city, the idiots salt the roads there... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:39:08 -0800 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? The moonroof looks like a manny, mo, and jack special to me. A couple hundred bucks, a sawzall, and a weekend and you too can butcher a perfectly good car :) On Dec 10, 2005, at 8:14 PM, john wrote: > wow... a real european model... manual windows, > dual climate controls, is that a factory pop up sunroof???? > > 2.5L normally aspirated engine, automatic trans, 124 chassis... > > sweet... euro lights as well... > > so it is possible to import a european spec car, maybe > I should look for a Grand Cherokee with the Turbo Diesel. ;) > > john > > On Sat, 10 Dec 2005, Michael Frank wrote: > >> -->http://tinyurl.com/abpdz >> --> >> -->Mike Frank >> --> > > ---- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Eric Ditwiler Associate Dean for Planning, Institutional Research, & Assessment Harvey Mudd College 909-607-3134 fax: 909-621-8465 www.dof.hmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 00:24:28 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] Anyone know what this is? A few thoughts: 1) The air cleaner doesn't look familiar...is it the same one use on US normally aspirated 2.5's? 2) How do you get to the primary fuel filter? It must be buried under the manifold. 3) Where did the speedometer come from? It's US calibrated. The only other place it may have been used is in the UK, but it's LHD. 4) Are there individual Tempmatic controls? 5) No airbags. I wonder if I could transfer the SRS system from my 190? 6) Cracked dash...do you suppose a 300 dash cover would fit? Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:44:15 +0000 From: Stephen Rigley Subject: Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! I hear ya! ;-) Did it on our 201 last year... you need double jointed fingers + rachet extensions ;-) Always happens when it's cold too ;-) Steve On 12/11/05, Charles Redell wrote: > UGH! God that was hard! Granted I don;t have particularly good tools, but I > was using a 17mm open-ended wrench to loosen the fuel lines from the > injectors and the pump, and had the right sizes for the plugs themselves > too.... and good god those little things were hard to get out.... For some > reason, I couldn't loosen the nut on two of my three fuel lines so had to > work around that which left very little room to unscrew the plugs > themselves. And did I mention how hard it is to reach them anyway? And what > about how easy it is to drop your wrench, ratchet and even new blow plug > down below the engine block. repeatedly. > > Hours I tell you. This took me hours. all day actually. > > But, and here's the good part, it worked! BIOMONSTER LIVES AGAIN! > > Now, if someone could just make my poor hands feel better. > c > > -- > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:30:33 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! Hmmmm... That's interesting... I replaced numerous glow plugs in my '83 240D and never had a problem. Didn't have to remove the fuel lines or anything. Just remove the little nut holding the wire on, remove the glowplug and reverse the process with the new plug. 5 cylinders that much different? Jim > I hear ya! ;-) Did it on our 201 last year... you need double jointed > fingers + rachet extensions ;-) Always happens when it's cold too ;-) > Steve > > On 12/11/05, Charles Redell wrote: > > UGH! God that was hard! Granted I don;t have particularly good tools, but I > > was using a 17mm open-ended wrench to loosen the fuel lines from the > > injectors and the pump, and had the right sizes for the plugs themselves > > too.... and good god those little things were hard to get out.... For some > > reason, I couldn't loosen the nut on two of my three fuel lines so had to > > work around that which left very little room to unscrew the plugs > > themselves. And did I mention how hard it is to reach them anyway? And what > > about how easy it is to drop your wrench, ratchet and even new blow plug > > down below the engine block. repeatedly. > > > > Hours I tell you. This took me hours. all day actually. > > > > But, and here's the good part, it worked! BIOMONSTER LIVES AGAIN! > > > > Now, if someone could just make my poor hands feel better. > > c > > > > -- > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Hmmmm... That's interesting... I replaced numerous glow plugs >-->in my '83 240D and never had a problem. Didn't have to remove the >-->fuel lines or anything. Just remove the little nut holding the >-->wire on, remove the glowplug and reverse the process with the new >-->plug. 5 cylinders that much different? not really, just the newer models... never had trouble with a 300SD or 300D in the 123/126 chassis. john >--> >-->Jim >--> >--> >-->> I hear ya! ;-) Did it on our 201 last year... you need double jointed >-->> fingers + rachet extensions ;-) Always happens when it's cold too ;-) >-->> Steve >-->> >-->> On 12/11/05, Charles Redell wrote: >-->> > UGH! God that was hard! Granted I don;t have particularly good tools, but I >-->> > was using a 17mm open-ended wrench to loosen the fuel lines from the >-->> > injectors and the pump, and had the right sizes for the plugs themselves >-->> > too.... and good god those little things were hard to get out.... For some >-->> > reason, I couldn't loosen the nut on two of my three fuel lines so had to >-->> > work around that which left very little room to unscrew the plugs >-->> > themselves. And did I mention how hard it is to reach them anyway? And what >-->> > about how easy it is to drop your wrench, ratchet and even new blow plug >-->> > down below the engine block. repeatedly. >-->> > >-->> > Hours I tell you. This took me hours. all day actually. >-->> > >-->> > But, and here's the good part, it worked! BIOMONSTER LIVES AGAIN! >-->> > >-->> > Now, if someone could just make my poor hands feel better. >-->> > c >-->> > >-->> > -- >-->> > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 >-->> > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:03:35 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! On my '87 190D Turbo, I just couldn't do it without removing the fuel lines, intake manifold, and accelerator linkage. Took a full day, including time required to scrape, brush, and wash the tar out of the inside of the manifold. On my '79 300CD, it was a 40 minute job. Mike Frank At 04:59 PM 12/11/2005, john wrote: >not really, just the newer models... never had trouble with a 300SD or 300D >in the 123/126 chassis. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 20:00:44 -0800 From: Charles Redell Subject: Re: [db] changing glow plugs sucks! > Hmmmm... That's interesting... I replaced numerous glow plugs > in my '83 240D and never had a problem. Didn't have to remove the > fuel lines or anything. Just remove the little nut holding the > wire on, remove the glowplug and reverse the process with the new > plug. 5 cylinders that much different? > Well, you have to remember that I am not a good mechanic and this was my first time doing the job. So I had two strikes going in. I doubt that taking off the fuel lines is mandatory, but it makes things a LOT easier. There is more room to work in there. And since I could only get three of the five off, a couple were really hard to reach. Finally, two of the plugs took a long tim to come all the way out. They had to be finessed real gently and I wasn't feeling particularly gentle at that moment... ;) Did I mention that I actually dropped a glow plug down, below the block and had to first find it and then jimmy it out (it was one of the new ones). Oh and I did lose the nut holding the wire on for one of the plugs. I imagine this is pretty easy to replace at the hardware store: an 8mm is all I need/ask for? c On 12/11/05, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > Hmmmm... That's interesting... I replaced numerous glow plugs > in my '83 240D and never had a problem. Didn't have to remove the > fuel lines or anything. Just remove the little nut holding the > wire on, remove the glowplug and reverse the process with the new > plug. 5 cylinders that much different? > > Jim > > > > I hear ya! ;-) Did it on our 201 last year... you need double jointed > > fingers + rachet extensions ;-) Always happens when it's cold too ;-) > > Steve > > > > On 12/11/05, Charles Redell wrote: > > > UGH! God that was hard! Granted I don;t have particularly good tools, > but I > > > was using a 17mm open-ended wrench to loosen the fuel lines from the > > > injectors and the pump, and had the right sizes for the plugs > themselves > > > too.... and good god those little things were hard to get out.... For > some > > > reason, I couldn't loosen the nut on two of my three fuel lines so had > to > > > work around that which left very little room to unscrew the plugs > > > themselves. And did I mention how hard it is to reach them anyway? And > what > > > about how easy it is to drop your wrench, ratchet and even new blow > plug > > > down below the engine block. repeatedly. > > > > > > Hours I tell you. This took me hours. all day actually. > > > > > > But, and here's the good part, it worked! BIOMONSTER LIVES AGAIN! > > > > > > Now, if someone could just make my poor hands feel better. > > > c > > > > > > -- > > > Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 > > > (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) > - -- Proud owner of an 84 300d turbo running B100 (if you don't know what this means, just ask!) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2045 **********************************