From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Dec 24 15:32:59 2005 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, December 24 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2056 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] more Diesel adventures... Re: [db] second (and third) thoughts... Re: [db] more Diesel adventures... [db] Fun with a Diesel. Re: [db] Fun with a Diesel. Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:17:19 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] more Diesel adventures... Nope, sorry. Don't know anything about them. I know pretty much about my 2.0L's but not the 2.2's and as I understand it, they aren't similar at all. I think I'm going to put my two 2.0L's up for sale. If you know anyone interested let me know. One is from an '86 Lynx wagon, the other is from an '87 Escort. They are slightly different engines as far as IP's and injectors go. Parts for the '86's are readily available, parts for the '87's are as rare as hen's teeth! ;) The '87's were a single year production run and I had a heck of a time finding parts. The '86's however were used for a number of years prior. Jim > they are rare... can't find anything on line about them... > > interference motors with timing belts, but no dimensions, weights, power, etc... > > do you know anything about them? > > I'm thinking a Pinto engine is quite fine... ;) > > john > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->WOW, those are almost as rare as my 2.0L from my Escort. I still > >-->have two of them with the 5 speed trannys. Problem with those is > >-->they were transverse engines for FWD. Might be able to adapt them > >-->though... > >--> > >-->Jim > >--> > >--> > >-->> Kevin, > >-->> > >-->> Do you have dimensions on the Mazda 2.2L Diesel? > >-->> how about the mating 4speed tranny? out of an '83 ranger... > >-->> picking one up over the holiday break... :) > >-->> > >-->> If I can't stuff it in the CJ-2A I may drop it into the '92 xj sport... :) > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Kevin wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:22:53PM -0800, Derickam AA wrote: > >-->> >-->> Matter of math, I pay either 20k$+ for a new VW Golf Tdi. > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> Or I buy John's benz for 8K$ and sell it back to him later in a moment of > >-->> >-->> weakness.... ;) > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> I guess this means a 1984 and a 1985 190d will be for sale sometime next > >-->> >-->> year. > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->Nah. 201s and 124s are quite happy sitting in the driveway next to > >-->> >-->each other :) > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->K > >-->> >--> > >--> > >-->-- > >-->Jim Hoffman > >-->Oconomowoc WI > >-->'39 Allis Model B > >-->'53 Ford Golden Jubilee > >-->'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] second (and third) thoughts... bk, that's a fine suggestion (Peugot Diesel), if I had one available locally for $400. :) and it would fit with a xfr case in the CJ-2. :) Actually I've owned one French Turbo Diesel, the 2.1L All aluminum Renault. Wet sleeved, lots of o-rings instead of gaskets, bosch pump, lots of paris-rhone junk, expensive to get parts for, but otherwise a sweet little engine... Because of the rarity of the Mazda 2.2L Diesel, timing belt and oddball issues with mating tranny to transfer case, I think I'm going to stick with the Pinto engine and fix the T-90. It's fun to dream about some of these projects, but when I get into my carport and look at the mess, I realize that taking on some of these projects without a shop is more insane than some of my ideas. :) I think that's what pushed me to buy the WJ instead of a late model XJ. (was teetering on the idea of a gold '98 XJ). The WJ has all the options I'd end up adding to an XJ. The plan at this point is to get the '48 Willys running well with the pinto engine, new top, tan paint, have the two WJs until my J10 is done, then decide which of the three (j10 and 2 wj's) will be up for adoption. I suspect that the white WJ will be available. We'll see how this latest wj behaves, I like it better than the white one... but it'll be my wife's decision. I'm pretty sure I'll prefer my J10 over either of the WJs. :) (hurry up curtis... ;) Will probably keep the CJ-2A as well, it's a nice little project, doesn't take much space, not a temptation to drive daily and is just a lot of fun. Anyone in Seattle looking to build a Diesel XJ though, I know where there is a good driveline available for $1,300 or so, and a nice clean '92 Sport with no engine... :) Someone needs to buy my spare 4.0L, AW4 and other odds and ends... :) john j10, wj, cj2... the plan... j10, wj, wj, cj2, j100, j10, 300d... the reality... :) On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 briankk-at-att.net wrote: >--> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >-->From: john >-->> I'm thinking that the 2.2L Mazda Diesel into the Willys might not >-->> work too well... can't find much info on the engine or the transmission (4spd). >-->> (snip) >-->> john >--> >-->I'd argue for a Peugeot diesel. 2.3 litre, 4 cyl, pushrods, aluminum head, Garrett turbo and Bosche VE pump. Were available with auto tranny or 5-spd. Early ones had gear driven cam, later chain driven cam. The stock Peugeot lays over at about 30 degrees, the Ford (Sierra diesel) version sold in Old Blighty was mounted upright.. >--> >-->Something like 90 hp and 125 lbs of torque from a 450 lb motor, there is an intenet site devoted to converting Land Rovers to use these things. I had one of these things in a Peugeot 505 wagon for a few years, they are as reliable as sunrise. BTW, the auto tranny used the same internal bits as the contemporary BMW (mid 80's). Not quite the power of the 5 cyl Mercedes, but a lot(~200 lbs?) lighter and smaller. >--> >-->IMHO >--> >-->bk >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] more Diesel adventures... wonder if they'd work for a gen set... ;) no, I don't want to build my own gen set... ;) I just emailed the guy with the Mazda 2.2Diesel, not going for it... if I replace the pinto engine it'll be with a complete setup out of an existing 4x4, and since the axle drop wouldn't be the same I'm probably going to keep what I've got working. john On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Nope, sorry. Don't know anything about them. I know pretty much >-->about my 2.0L's but not the 2.2's and as I understand it, they >-->aren't similar at all. I think I'm going to put my two 2.0L's up >-->for sale. If you know anyone interested let me know. One is from >-->an '86 Lynx wagon, the other is from an '87 Escort. They are >-->slightly different engines as far as IP's and injectors go. Parts >-->for the '86's are readily available, parts for the '87's are as >-->rare as hen's teeth! ;) The '87's were a single year production >-->run and I had a heck of a time finding parts. The '86's however >-->were used for a number of years prior. >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> they are rare... can't find anything on line about them... >-->> >-->> interference motors with timing belts, but no dimensions, weights, power, etc... >-->> >-->> do you know anything about them? >-->> >-->> I'm thinking a Pinto engine is quite fine... ;) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->WOW, those are almost as rare as my 2.0L from my Escort. I still >-->> >-->have two of them with the 5 speed trannys. Problem with those is >-->> >-->they were transverse engines for FWD. Might be able to adapt them >-->> >-->though... >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Jim >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> Kevin, >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Do you have dimensions on the Mazda 2.2L Diesel? >-->> >-->> how about the mating 4speed tranny? out of an '83 ranger... >-->> >-->> picking one up over the holiday break... :) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> If I can't stuff it in the CJ-2A I may drop it into the '92 xj sport... :) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, Kevin wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 08:22:53PM -0800, Derickam AA wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> Matter of math, I pay either 20k$+ for a new VW Golf Tdi. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Or I buy John's benz for 8K$ and sell it back to him later in a moment of >-->> >-->> >-->> weakness.... ;) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> I guess this means a 1984 and a 1985 190d will be for sale sometime next >-->> >-->> >-->> year. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Nah. 201s and 124s are quite happy sitting in the driveway next to >-->> >-->> >-->each other :) >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->K >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->-- >-->> >-->Jim Hoffman >-->> >-->Oconomowoc WI >-->> >-->'39 Allis Model B >-->> >-->'53 Ford Golden Jubilee >-->> >-->'?? Bolens Huskie Gardener >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:29:14 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: [db] Fun with a Diesel. If I can find the original with the Diesel Jaguar I'll post that too. But this one has to be seen to be believed. Awesome driving. A Diesel delivery van, pasing motorcycles and Porsches. =) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Fun with a Diesel. amazing... I went and visited Burg Eltz instead of playing on Nurnburgring. ;) We hiked to the castle instead of subjecting my wife to the race track... considering the fact that I could drive as fast as I wanted on the Autobahn it didn't make much sense to go to the racetrack. :) john On Fri, 23 Dec 2005, chuck goolsbee wrote: > --> > --> > -->If I can find the original with the Diesel Jaguar I'll post that too. But > -->this one has to be seen to be believed. Awesome driving. A Diesel delivery > -->van, pasing motorcycles and Porsches. =) > --> > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi (but also looking for a 300SD or SDL) > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2056 **********************************