From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 10 15:28:54 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, March 10 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2114 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] W124 center vents Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) Re: [db] W124 center vents [db] Calcium Magnesium Acetate [db] deicing (fwd) Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 02:52:58 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] W124 center vents So, on my way to dropping off my W124 to be worked on for the big (2 week) driving trip I am taking, I realized that no air (heat, in this case) was coming out of the two vents in the center of the dash. I assume there should be some sort of air coming through there? (My W115 just has unheated air come through its center vents. I usually turn the heat all the way up, then adjust the volume of cold air to balance it...) Is this one of the dreaded Rube Goldberg vacuum issues? For now, I can just live with it (the side vents seem to be working). Don't know if it is related, but the auto-climate control thermostat has seemed a bit off since we got the car -- generally need to put it to 80+ in order to warm up the cabin (and we don't need to be that warm, both my wife and I keep our house around 60-65 in the winter, so it isn't that we want it excessively warm). Thanks! -bkc - -- Lynnwood, WA '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (30th bday party 11Jun) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) '92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:34:03 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) Hi John, Nice pics!!! Here's a few I took last weekend... we drove out into Connemara and stayed in Clifden (http://www.multimap.com/wi/338404.htm) for the night. http://tinyurl.com/ptu7d Steve On 3/8/06, john wrote: > http://www.wagoneers.com/fotos/2006/Feb-Mar-misc/ > http://wagoneers.com/Willys/48-CJ-2A/March-2006/ALL.html > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:14:20 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] W124 center vents No heat should ever come from the center vents. They are for A/C and unheated fresh air only. Regards, J.B. At 04:52 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote: >So, on my way to dropping off my W124 to be worked >on for the big (2 week) driving trip I am taking, I >realized that no air (heat, in this case) was coming >out of the two vents in the center of the dash. I >assume there should be some sort of air coming >through there? > >(My W115 just has unheated air come through its >center vents. I usually turn the heat all the way >up, then adjust the volume of cold air to balance >it...) > >Is this one of the dreaded Rube Goldberg vacuum >issues? > >For now, I can just live with it (the side vents >seem to be working). Don't know if it is related, >but the auto-climate control thermostat has seemed >a bit off since we got the car -- generally need to >put it to 80+ in order to warm up the cabin (and we >don't need to be that warm, both my wife and I keep >our house around 60-65 in the winter, so it isn't >that we want it excessively warm). > >Thanks! > -bkc >-- >Lynnwood, WA >'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (30th bday party 11Jun) >'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) >'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 3/8/2006 - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/277 - Release Date: 3/8/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:32:22 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: [db] Calcium Magnesium Acetate noticed a white substance on the road after a heavy frost a few weeks ago... of course fear coursed through my veins... could this be the evil salt that the road idiots back east use??? as I vascillate between fear and relief that we have very few incidents a year where they would use this stuff, I finally found a moment to research what washington state was using... it appears to be Calcium Magnesium Acetate. Anyone know anything about this stuff? Is it safe? What can I do to keep my vehicle from disintegrating before my eyes? I watched my '68 Mustang rust through by '72... don't want to see this happen again... what I found on line below, thanx, john http://wsdot.wa.gov/winter/anti.htm What types of anti-icers does WSDOT use? Liquid anti icers are generally applied to the roadway before weather events occur, and prevent ice crystals from bonding to the pavement. Chemical concentrations on the road surface is what determines the effectiveness of anti icers. Statewide, a variety of different chemical anti icers are used, depending on temperature, humidity, and the work to be accomplished. The least aggressive (weakest), but most environmentally benign anti icer is CMA - Calcium Magnesium Acetate. It is used primarily in western Washington on bridges and overpasses for frost control. Magnesium Chloride is stronger and used in most parts of the state on roads at higher elevation or those subject to colder temperatures. Calcium Chloride is used where conditions can be most severe. It is effective at very low temperatures where other anti icers are not. As new experimental anti icing chemicals become available, the department will evaluate them for their effectiveness. With the availability of solid snow and ice control chemicals, maintenance crews may suspend the use of liquid anti icers as soon as there is any snow or ice accumulation on the roadway. Solid anti-icing chemicals look like sand and are applied like sand. Solid chemicals are used to keep accumulating snow loose and ^Splowable^T so it can be removed with snowplows from the roadway. If snow and ice become compact and bonded to a paved surface, the solid chemicals can absorb into the compact snow or ice melting it and breaking it up for removal with snowplows. Comparing salt to corrosion-inhibited anti-icers During the first two years of testing, results using salt were compared to results using corrosion-inhibited anti-icers. Although the unit cost of salt products is considerably less than the unit cost of corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers, overall costs at the end of a winter season are similar. This is because more salt has to be used, and applied more often, to achieve roadway condition results similar to the corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers. The performance of salt was similar to that of corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers in keeping roads bare and wet during snowy or icy winter conditions. The corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers proved to be consistently less corrosive to steel on motor vehicles than salt, but corrosion to sheet and cast aluminum on vehicles was mixed. In some cases, salt was more corrosive to aluminum. In others, salt was less corrosive to aluminum. Environmental impacts from the use of salt were similar to impacts from the use of corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers. In both cases, chlorides detected in roadside soils and water were far below levels of concern for the protection of the environment and public health. At the end of two years, field-testing data indicated that WSDOT^Rs emphasis on corrosion-inhibiting anti-icers appears to be preferable when compared to an emphasis on using salt. What about good old-fashioned sand? WSDOT continues to use sand under certain winter road conditions. Sand is primarily used to provide traction at intersections, curves, and grades where chemical treatments are not available or effective. Even its application is improved. Sand trucks have a reservoir of liquid anti icer that is used to wet the sand as its applied. Dry sand is blown to the shoulders by the first few vehicles that pass requiring it to be reapplied frequently. The chemically wetted sand stays where it^Rs placed, melts into the snow, and does not require frequent reapplication. One result of the anti icing program is a reduction in the use of sand. In some parts of the state, like Spokane, air quality requirements are such that sand use has been limited because it dries and contributes to airborne dust concentrations. Cost savings have resulted as spring clean up of sand accumulated along the roadside has been dramatically reduced. Highway re-striping needs have also been reduced as less sand means less abrasive action that wears road stripes quickly. The future of WSDOT's Anti-Icing Program WSDOT^Rs goal is to be on the leading edge of snow and ice control technology. With continued research on new products and equipment technology, the use of anti-icing and other snow and ice control techniques is going to continue to be a key tool for winter maintenance. http://ewr.cee.vt.edu/environmental/teach/gwprimer/group05/altern.html Calcium Magnesium Acetate The most common anti-icing chemical is calcium magnesium acetate (CMA), which was first developed in the 1970's by Chevron. It works by preventing snow and ice particles from adhering to each other or to the road surface. Anti-icing chemicals can be applied on top of snow and ice like other deicers or 30 minutes to two hours before precipitation begins. They can also be blended with road salt as a corrosion inhibitor. The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) began the Strategic Highway Research Program (SHRP) in 1987 to test the effectiveness of anti-icing techniques. The program was carried out in nine states during the winters of 1993-94 and 1994-95. Results definitively showed that anti-icing is an extremely effective and economical means of snow and ice control. http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/HS-041_382/HS-041_382.htm http://trb.org/news/blurb_detail.asp?ID=2688 (data is on line, don't buy the book) http://ntl.bts.gov/DOCS/HS-041_382/113-125.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] deicing (fwd) found more info on the deicer... not real happy about them using it here... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/maintenance/anti-ice.htm http://wsdot.wa.gov/winter/default.htm#car Wash your car Keeping your vehicle clean during the winter keeps snow and road grime from caking on your head and taillights, which makes it easier for you to see and be seen. Anti-icing chemicals can cause corrosion so wash your vehicle as necessary. All the chemicals are water-soluble, so rinse your vehicle thoroughly before applying soap. If towing aluminum boats or trailers, be sure to wash them, too. Check your Route - 511 If you have questions, please contact regarding WSDOT Winter Driving Tom Root (360) 705-7857. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 21:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) cool pix, interesting that there is open country there... john On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->Hi John, >--> >-->Nice pics!!! >-->Here's a few I took last weekend... we drove out into Connemara and >-->stayed in Clifden (http://www.multimap.com/wi/338404.htm) for the >-->night. >--> >-->http://tinyurl.com/ptu7d ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:26:04 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] misc fotos (no diesel content) VERY cool! I've got to visit there someday! Jim > cool pix, interesting that there is open country there... > > john > > > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > >-->Hi John, > >--> > >-->Nice pics!!! > >-->Here's a few I took last weekend... we drove out into Connemara and > >-->stayed in Clifden (http://www.multimap.com/wi/338404.htm) for the > >-->night. > >--> > >-->http://tinyurl.com/ptu7d ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2114 **********************************