From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 7 16:38:10 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, April 7 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2132 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! [db] 240D, "Fritzy" for sale in Houston,TX [db] not one solution (Was: $2.90 a gallon) [db] Competition for waste oil Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! [db] hydraulic motors [db] $2.99 per gallon Re: [db] hydraulic motors Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! nicely put Kevin... I've been wondering why the prices have gone up, but earlier posts talking about post-peak oil era and the recollection of other countries getting wheels seems to validate the law of supply and demand. Simple politics and greed doesn't explain things like the stark realization that we're not alone in using the fossil fuels. Now we just have to get BioDiesel and Ethanol going... BTW, one of the guys on the fsj list and I have been talking about using a Mercedes 240D engine as a generator so we could put four electric motors on each corner of a Jeep... Having an XJ laying around makes it tempting, unfortunately (or fortunately) I don't have the electric motors, or the 240D engine... :) of course these projects (hybrid) are but dreams and desires and unlikely to face reality... kind of like most of my projects. :) But you already knew that. ;) john On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Kevin wrote: >-->On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 10:41:58AM -0700, Eric Ditwiler wrote: >-->> Thank you Mister President for stirring up the situation in the Middle >-->> East and driving up the price of oil. Expensive oil is not only good >-->> for your friends but for the environment as well. The more expensive >-->> it is the more the alternatives will be explored. Here is one: >-->> http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml >--> >-->Actually, the price of oil has gone up because demand has gone up, due >-->to countries in Asia becoming more industrialized. Take your presidential >-->complaints up with the democrat party who have not figured out how to win >-->two consecutive elections that should have been slam dunks. >--> >-->You are entirely correct that viable alternatives will not be explored >-->until it is too expensive to use oil. E-85 is certainly not and biodiesel >-->in its current form is not a replacement for oil, since it costs too much >-->fuel to generate it. Yes, I know there are alternative ways of growing >-->refinable fuel oil, but nobody is spending the money to make plants that >-->produce it that way on a large scale. >--> >-->K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:32:53 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches Big John remarked: >I think something went terribly wrong with the distribution of >these notices... I've gotten close to 20... mentioned it >to Jay and he's looking into it... looking at the headers it >appears they didn't come from the same source. I didn't >ask him but I'm wondering if he didn't hire someone to spread the word... > > Aside from introducing a gasser related topic to a bunch of diesel heads, I would say the outfit handling this Willy's site did a bit of email address harvesting. As we all know, Big John is here, there and everywhere.... Well, at least 20 different places.... ;-) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:38:51 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches Mista Hoffman whined: >Well, *I* didn't get one! ;) So I'm glad that Jon forwarded >this on to the list... I'm hoping they manufacture some body >parts for my Utility Wagons. > > I guess that's one of the perks of living in "dairy land"! "Got milk? No got email!" Or, as they say, "you cut the cheese, you don't get the mail"... ;-) Glad you liked the website once and not 20 times... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] WillysOverland.com Relaunches On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jon Filina wrote: > -->Big John remarked: > -->> I think something went terribly wrong with the distribution of > -->> these notices... I've gotten close to 20... mentioned it > -->> to Jay and he's looking into it... looking at the headers it > -->> appears they didn't come from the same source. I didn't > -->> ask him but I'm wondering if he didn't hire someone to spread the > -->> word... > --> > -->Aside from introducing a gasser related topic to a bunch of diesel heads, I > -->would say the outfit handling this Willy's site did a bit of email address > -->harvesting. As we all know, Big John is here, there and everywhere.... > -->Well, at least 20 different places.... ;-) > -->Jon I don't think Jay would do that, but he may have hired someone to get the word out and that someone may not have been the best choice. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:56:50 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! > nicely put Kevin... I've been wondering why the prices have > gone up, but earlier posts talking about post-peak oil era and > the recollection of other countries getting wheels seems to > validate the law of supply and demand. Simple politics and > greed doesn't explain things like the stark realization that > we're not alone in using the fossil fuels. > > Now we just have to get BioDiesel and Ethanol going... > > BTW, one of the guys on the fsj list and I have been talking about > using a Mercedes 240D engine as a generator so we could put > four electric motors on each corner of a Jeep... Having > an XJ laying around makes it tempting, unfortunately (or > fortunately) I don't have the electric motors, or the 240D > engine... :) > > of course these projects (hybrid) are but dreams and desires and unlikely to > face reality... kind of like most of my projects. :) But you > already knew that. ;) > > john We do a lot of work with hydraulics here where I work. We've kicked around the idea of building a car similar to what you describe but using hydraulic motors instead of electric motors. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:00:55 -0500 From: "Richard F Dillon" Subject: [db] 240D, "Fritzy" for sale in Houston,TX Folks: The time has come for me to sell my beloved "Fritzy", a 1979 240D. The homeowner's assn. has hassled me so much that I am willing to part with it. Fritzy has been a good car, owned by a personal friend for more than 20 years before I purchased from him, then driven by my daughter every day between Houston and Tomball TX until last year, when my daughter purchased her own car. Since then, Fritzy sat for ~ 6 months without being used, and I fired him up, took him out and got him inspected. The next day I gave the keys to my son, who drove it to work, but on the way to work it died, and I had it towed home. Since then, I have not had time to work on it, and my chldren don't want to take the effort to get it to run, as you know, the 240's acceleration ability is not impressive to kids!:-). I'm sure that all that will take to get him to run again is to remove the fuel tank, take it down to the car wash, and wash out the algae that is probably in it, then replace both fuel filters, and crank! The AC doesn't work, and the car hasn't been run for awhile, but with a little TLC Fritzy will give many years of good service. Anyone interested, please write me -at- rfdillon-at-earthlink.net, and mention Fritzy in the subject line. Only serious inquirers please. "Watch your thoughts, for they become words. Choose your words, for they become actions. Understand your actions, for they become habits. Study your habits, they will become your character. Develop your character for it becomes your destiny." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:29 -0700 From: "Charles Redell" Subject: [db] not one solution (Was: $2.90 a gallon) > >-->You are entirely correct that viable alternatives will not be explored > >-->until it is too expensive to use oil. E-85 is certainly not and > biodiesel > >-->in its current form is not a replacement for oil, since it costs too > much > >-->fuel to generate it. Yes, I know there are alternative ways of growing > >-->refinable fuel oil, but nobody is spending the money to make plants > that > >-->produce it that way on a large scale. > >--> > >-->K Not that it matters, but I want everyone to know that my belief is that there is no one answer to our fuel problem. When the day comes that the big oil companies finally admit that they can no longer supply us with oil and gas at a price we are willing to pay and they *really* start exploring options, there will be no ONE solution. I *love* biod for me, for now. I think it is a grand solution in places where the fuel stock (soy beans etc) is grown and processed, like WA. In Indiana for example, Ethanol is a good solution because the fuel stock is readily avaiable. But for the whole world, neither is the perfect solution (for many reasons, chiefly, we couldn't grow enough corn or soy to fuel the whole world's needs). Anyway, I just want to be sure no one thinks of me as a crackpot hippie who thinks everyone should be using B100. The future is going to be a hodege podge of solutions so we don't end up in the same mess we are in now being dependant on one source from one (mostly) part of the world. Though, FWIW, peak-oil having passed (probably) sure feeds into that supply and demand theory as the reason for fuel prices being so high. (Ok, maybe I AM a hippie, but I'm no crackpot!) c ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 17:57:56 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Competition for waste oil All I can tell you is that you better hurry and collect your waste oil. I couldn't find the site but more and more city/counties are getting into the game. The city/county provides the containers - business owners sign agreement that no one else can collect/remove oil from the containers. http://www.cityofdenton.com/pages/mygovenvironmentalairbiodieselfac.cfm 'This project works with participating restaurants' Most states have laws about using 'untaxed' fuels on public roadways. Something about tax evasion. Big Brother. I would have to live near Denton, Texas. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! there was a hydraulic hybryid built in the early '80s and even tested in portland... pop mechanics or sciene had the detals. john On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> nicely put Kevin... I've been wondering why the prices have >-->> gone up, but earlier posts talking about post-peak oil era and >-->> the recollection of other countries getting wheels seems to >-->> validate the law of supply and demand. Simple politics and >-->> greed doesn't explain things like the stark realization that >-->> we're not alone in using the fossil fuels. >-->> >-->> Now we just have to get BioDiesel and Ethanol going... >-->> >-->> BTW, one of the guys on the fsj list and I have been talking about >-->> using a Mercedes 240D engine as a generator so we could put >-->> four electric motors on each corner of a Jeep... Having >-->> an XJ laying around makes it tempting, unfortunately (or >-->> fortunately) I don't have the electric motors, or the 240D >-->> engine... :) >-->> >-->> of course these projects (hybrid) are but dreams and desires and unlikely to >-->> face reality... kind of like most of my projects. :) But you >-->> already knew that. ;) >-->> >-->> john >--> >-->We do a lot of work with hydraulics here where I work. We've >-->kicked around the idea of building a car similar to what you >-->describe but using hydraulic motors instead of electric motors. >--> >--> >-->Jim >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:10:21 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: [db] hydraulic motors I have a friend with a hydraulic set up in a boat and he says it is slow, inefficient, and prone to leaks Eric Ditwiler Associate Dean for Planning, Institutional Research, and Assessment Harvey Mudd College 301 Platt Blvd., Claremont, CA 91711 Voice: 909-607-3134 Fax: 909-621-8465 On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:10 PM, john wrote: > there was a hydraulic hybryid built in the early '80s and > even tested in portland... pop mechanics or sciene had the detals. > john > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: > >> -->> nicely put Kevin... I've been wondering why the prices have >> -->> gone up, but earlier posts talking about post-peak oil era and >> -->> the recollection of other countries getting wheels seems to >> -->> validate the law of supply and demand. Simple politics and >> -->> greed doesn't explain things like the stark realization that >> -->> we're not alone in using the fossil fuels. >> -->> >> -->> Now we just have to get BioDiesel and Ethanol going... >> -->> >> -->> BTW, one of the guys on the fsj list and I have been talking >> about >> -->> using a Mercedes 240D engine as a generator so we could put >> -->> four electric motors on each corner of a Jeep... Having >> -->> an XJ laying around makes it tempting, unfortunately (or >> -->> fortunately) I don't have the electric motors, or the 240D >> -->> engine... :) >> -->> >> -->> of course these projects (hybrid) are but dreams and desires and >> unlikely to >> -->> face reality... kind of like most of my projects. :) But you >> -->> already knew that. ;) >> -->> >> -->> john >> --> >> -->We do a lot of work with hydraulics here where I work. We've >> -->kicked around the idea of building a car similar to what you >> -->describe but using hydraulic motors instead of electric motors. >> --> >> --> >> -->Jim >> --> > > ---- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] $2.99 per gallon $2.99 per gallon, for Diesel, Lynnwood, WA just drove by a station with that price on 99... (on my way to get my '99 WJ tranny sensor replaced. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:32:24 -0500 From: Sam Williams Subject: Re: [db] hydraulic motors Eric, OTOH, I had lots of hydraulics (no big motors, though) on my Citroen DS and found it efficient, relatively leak free but easy to repair when it happens, and a far more elegant solution to many common automotive engineering issues than found in cars produced today, 50 years later. I can imagine a car with hydraulic drive being extremely efficient with, in effect, a CVT that transmits a greater percentage of engine power to the wheels than any mass produced automatic. I suspect your friend suffered from a lack of knowledgeable hydraulic people to install and service his boat. Capable Citroen mechanics are scarce in the US, too. Sam Eric Ditwiler wrote: > I have a friend with a hydraulic set up in a boat and he says it is > slow, inefficient, and prone to leaks > > > Eric Ditwiler > Associate Dean for Planning, Institutional Research, and Assessment > Harvey Mudd College > 301 Platt Blvd., Claremont, CA 91711 > > Voice: 909-607-3134 Fax: 909-621-8465 > On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:10 PM, john wrote: > >> there was a hydraulic hybryid built in the early '80s and >> even tested in portland... pop mechanics or sciene had the detals. >> john >> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >>> -->> nicely put Kevin... I've been wondering why the prices have >>> -->> gone up, but earlier posts talking about post-peak oil era and >>> -->> the recollection of other countries getting wheels seems to >>> -->> validate the law of supply and demand. Simple politics and >>> -->> greed doesn't explain things like the stark realization that >>> -->> we're not alone in using the fossil fuels. >>> -->> >>> -->> Now we just have to get BioDiesel and Ethanol going... >>> -->> >>> -->> BTW, one of the guys on the fsj list and I have been talking >>> about >>> -->> using a Mercedes 240D engine as a generator so we could put >>> -->> four electric motors on each corner of a Jeep... Having >>> -->> an XJ laying around makes it tempting, unfortunately (or >>> -->> fortunately) I don't have the electric motors, or the 240D >>> -->> engine... :) >>> -->> >>> -->> of course these projects (hybrid) are but dreams and desires >>> and unlikely to >>> -->> face reality... kind of like most of my projects. :) But you >>> -->> already knew that. ;) >>> -->> >>> -->> john >>> --> >>> -->We do a lot of work with hydraulics here where I work. We've >>> -->kicked around the idea of building a car similar to what you >>> -->describe but using hydraulic motors instead of electric motors. >>> --> >>> --> >>> -->Jim >>> --> >> >> >> ---- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2132 **********************************