From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 13 10:33:57 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, April 13 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2135 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior RE: [db] Strange diesel behavior RE: [db] Strange diesel behavior Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior turbo seals? valve sticking? out of adjustments? or not seating? clatterings seems to me to be valves... can't think how tranny fluid would get in... john On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->1982 123 series turbo diesel - 156K miles. >--> >-->Intermittent 'Runaway' type condition. As in loss of throttle control. >--> >-->Only happens at highway speeds. >--> >-->Not sure if engine is sucking trans fluid or oil mist but it is getting >-->additional fuel/oil from somewhere. >--> >-->Noticeably more power but will start to clatter - clatter increases as >-->rpm increases. >--> >-->I usually slow down to 50-55 for a few seconds and continue on. >--> >-->Car has the flat style PCV hose. >--> >-->I use a full synthetic. >--> >-->I cannot make it happen - it just happens. Seems to happen in the cool >-->mornings/evenings. I can't remember it happening during the heat of the >-->day. >--> >-->Any ideas/comments? >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:50:52 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: [db] Strange diesel behavior Vacuum modulator - GM trannys will suck the fluid out of the trans if the modulator goes bad. The vacuum is wrong on this car but I don't think it hooks to the intake - unless the EGR valve/sensor. I though about the turbo but problem is intermittent. I would think the turbo seals would be constant. I'm sure the valves need adjustment. What did ya expect for $400.00. ;) Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-superdawg.wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM To: Black, Waylon Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior turbo seals? valve sticking? out of adjustments? or not seating? clatterings seems to me to be valves... can't think how tranny fluid would get in... john On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->1982 123 series turbo diesel - 156K miles. >--> >-->Intermittent 'Runaway' type condition. As in loss of throttle control. >--> >-->Only happens at highway speeds. >--> >-->Not sure if engine is sucking trans fluid or oil mist but it is getting >-->additional fuel/oil from somewhere. >--> >-->Noticeably more power but will start to clatter - clatter increases as >-->rpm increases. >--> >-->I usually slow down to 50-55 for a few seconds and continue on. >--> >-->Car has the flat style PCV hose. >--> >-->I use a full synthetic. >--> >-->I cannot make it happen - it just happens. Seems to happen in the cool >-->mornings/evenings. I can't remember it happening during the heat of the >-->day. >--> >-->Any ideas/comments? >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Strange diesel behavior pull the hose on the rube goldberg special on the valve cover and see if there is cherry juice... otherwise pop the valve cover and take a peek... or drive at the legal limit lead foot. ;) john On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->Vacuum modulator - GM trannys will suck the fluid out of the trans if >-->the modulator goes bad. The vacuum is wrong on this car but I don't >-->think it hooks to the intake - unless the EGR valve/sensor. >--> >-->I though about the turbo but problem is intermittent. I would think the >-->turbo seals would be constant. >--> >-->I'm sure the valves need adjustment. What did ya expect for $400.00. ;) >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-superdawg.wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM >-->To: Black, Waylon >-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior >--> >--> >-->turbo seals? >-->valve sticking? out of adjustments? or not seating? >-->clatterings seems to me to be valves... >--> >-->can't think how tranny fluid would get in... >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >--> >-->>-->1982 123 series turbo diesel - 156K miles. >-->>--> >-->>-->Intermittent 'Runaway' type condition. As in loss of throttle >-->control. >-->>--> >-->>-->Only happens at highway speeds. >-->>--> >-->>-->Not sure if engine is sucking trans fluid or oil mist but it is >-->getting >-->>-->additional fuel/oil from somewhere. >-->>--> >-->>-->Noticeably more power but will start to clatter - clatter increases >-->as >-->>-->rpm increases. >-->>--> >-->>-->I usually slow down to 50-55 for a few seconds and continue on. >-->>--> >-->>-->Car has the flat style PCV hose. >-->>--> >-->>-->I use a full synthetic. >-->>--> >-->>-->I cannot make it happen - it just happens. Seems to happen in the >-->cool >-->>-->mornings/evenings. I can't remember it happening during the heat of >-->the >-->>-->day. >-->>--> >-->>-->Any ideas/comments? >-->>--> >-->>-->Waylon Black >-->>-->Little Elm, Texas >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:56:49 -0500 From: Sam Williams Subject: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior You could pull ATF from vac modulator on xmsn or engine oil from shutoff motor. Does car shut down when you turn key off? Does it shift properly? You probably want to stop this and clean vacuum system before the ATF or engine oil eat brake booster, door locks, ACC controls and (whichever isn't causing problem) vac modulator or shutoff. Sam john wrote: >pull the hose on the rube goldberg special on the valve cover >and see if there is cherry juice... > >otherwise pop the valve cover and take a peek... > >or drive at the legal limit lead foot. ;) > >john > >On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: > > > >>-->Vacuum modulator - GM trannys will suck the fluid out of the trans if >>-->the modulator goes bad. The vacuum is wrong on this car but I don't >>-->think it hooks to the intake - unless the EGR valve/sensor. >>--> >>-->I though about the turbo but problem is intermittent. I would think the >>-->turbo seals would be constant. >>--> >>-->I'm sure the valves need adjustment. What did ya expect for $400.00. ;) >>--> >>-->Waylon Black >>-->Little Elm, Texas >>--> >>-->-----Original Message----- >>-->From: john [mailto:john-at-superdawg.wagoneers.com] >>-->Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:49 AM >>-->To: Black, Waylon >>-->Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >>-->Subject: Re: [db] Strange diesel behavior >>--> >>--> >>-->turbo seals? >>-->valve sticking? out of adjustments? or not seating? >>-->clatterings seems to me to be valves... >>--> >>-->can't think how tranny fluid would get in... >>--> >>-->john >>--> >>-->On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >>--> >>-->>-->1982 123 series turbo diesel - 156K miles. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Intermittent 'Runaway' type condition. As in loss of throttle >>-->control. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Only happens at highway speeds. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Not sure if engine is sucking trans fluid or oil mist but it is >>-->getting >>-->>-->additional fuel/oil from somewhere. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Noticeably more power but will start to clatter - clatter increases >>-->as >>-->>-->rpm increases. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->I usually slow down to 50-55 for a few seconds and continue on. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Car has the flat style PCV hose. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->I use a full synthetic. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->I cannot make it happen - it just happens. Seems to happen in the >>-->cool >>-->>-->mornings/evenings. I can't remember it happening during the heat of >>-->the >>-->>-->day. >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Any ideas/comments? >>-->>--> >>-->>-->Waylon Black >>-->>-->Little Elm, Texas >>-->>--> >>--> >>--> ---- >>--> >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->- >>--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >>--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->- >>--> to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt >>-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>-->- >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! If our government, and the ecology minded folks in our country, would get a clue, they'd be promoting Diesel engines as have the Europeans for decades. Then the farmers could make a decent living growing material for BioDiesel. Diesels offer a number of advantages over gasoline engines. Better economy, longer lived engines, less maintenance, greater durability, less pollution (yes it's true, just remember what Mark Twain said about statistics...), lower cost fuel, easily adapted for multiple fuel types, less danger in accidents of fires, less danger of explosions, longer range with less fuel on board. I had an '85 XJ with the Renault 2.1L Turbo Diesel. Other than the crappy 5 speed manual transmission it was great. It could tow about 1,500 with some effort, but other than that it was great. 26mpg in town, 32 mpg on the freeway with 4 people and luggage. If it had had an automatic transmission I would have kept it. My lower back does not like the XJ seats with manual transmissions.... :( I can hardly wait for my 6.2L powered J10 to be done so I can run a variety of waste products through it along with pump Diesel and BioDiesel. If it weren't for the costs and minor technical challenges associated with putting the Mercedes Turbo Diesel into that '92 XJ... :) (tech issues: the oil pan on the 3.0L is forward, conflicts with the axle and steering, need a rear sump to solve the problem, or copius amounts of XJ lift) The other issue is mating the engine to the AW4 or getting a divorced mount xfr case to mate to the benz transmission. john On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->We are not helping by driving jeeps that consume at about 18 mpg, but >-->some ud don't have a choice as we need there capabilities. I feel good >-->to say that I drove my ZJ only once this week to haul some things. The >-->yamaha radian does much better. >--> >-->Allen >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2135 **********************************