From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 8 17:17:57 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, May 9 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2151 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Re: [db] autobahn factoid and diesels Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure [db] 77 300d? [db] Re: Nice '87 300D for sale Re: [db] 77 300d? Re: [db] Diesel wagon Re: [db] 77 300d? Re: [db] 77 300d? Re: [db] 77 300d? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure I think I'd opt for pinching the fuel line with a hemostat... just cut the fuel off so it can't keep going... sticking one's hand over the inlet of a rather large vacuum pump is a good way to discover exactly how many bones are really in the human hand... john On Sun, 7 May 2006, Sam Williams wrote: > -->Greg, > --> > -->From your description, the diaphragm at the IP is broken. The 'vacuum > -->shutoff motor' (I think it's called) is pretty easy to replace with one > -->small caveat: if the rod between IP and diaphragm isn't connected, the > -->engine will be very hard to stop, may over-rev and self-destruct. > --> > -->From Rick Merrill in a post on MercedesMailingList: > --> > -->"There is a small hole (notch) in the control rod that the 'L' shaped lever > -->on the shutoff valve must catch. Take a good look with a mirror and make > -->sure you know what you're shooting for before you start. Once you put the > -->lever into the hole you can't see what's going on. It takes a little finess. > -->Start with the lever off center then, once in deep enough, move it back onto > -->center. When it catches you can feel it by slowly moving the valve front to > -->back. There shouldn't be any noticable slop if it's in correctly. > --> > -->If you don't get it right the engine will keep accelerating, and the only > -->way to stop it is to cut-off fuel or air. Unfortunately, the stop lever > -->won't do this. First time it's a good idea to remove the air cleaner and be > -->ready to put your hand over the intake just in case. Be prepared, once the > -->engine gets going it will just about suck your hand down the intake > -->manifold! Experienced sissies, like me, use a small block of wood instead." > --> > -->Hope that helps, > --> > -->Sam > --> > --> > -->Greg Fiorentino wrote: > -->> Hi Listfriends: > -->> > -->> The wife's TD is doing the no shut off thing. She had to do manual > -->> shutdown while picking up daughter at WSU Pullman this weekend. > -->> > -->> Just back from the Mity-vac test: The hose to the shutoff switch pulls > -->> 23" of vacuum when the ignition key is turned off (looks ok). When > -->> trying to pull a vacuum on the fuel pump switch with the Mity-vac I get > -->> no vacuum build-up. I assume the vacuum switch on the pump is kaput, > -->> as > -->> they say in German. > -->> > -->> Off to look at the manual to check procedure. Anyone BTDT? Any > -->> caveats? > -->> > -->> TIA > -->> > -->> Greg Fiorentino > -->> Vancouver USA > -->> '85 300SD Turbo > -->> '84 300D Turbo > -->> '79 300TD (not wanting to shut down) > -->> '85 6.9L F350 Crew Cab (going) > -->> '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab > -->> No virus found in this outgoing message. > -->> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > -->> Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] autobahn factoid and diesels On Sun, 7 May 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->Yup. The email invite you got was just Brooke >-->sending out a quick "save the date" notice. >--> >-->I'll be posting a general invite shortly (had >-->some deaths in the family last week). sorry to hear... death is, unfortunately, part of life... but there is more... john >--> >-->-bkc >--> >-->On Sun May 07, 2006, john wrote: >-->> so are you going to announce the birthday party >-->> to the list? ;) >-->> >-->> Interestingly enough, I've been married longer than >-->> your car has been around... so does that mean I >-->> could be it's father???? ;) rofl... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Sun, 7 May 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Actually, from discussions with a MB mechanic, they >-->> >-->pulled the C coupe because the 1.8L engine was crap, >-->> >-->and no amount of repairs or recalls could fix it. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->(We had been looking into the coupe a while back, >-->> >-->before we went with the used W124) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->-bkc >-->> >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->> >-->'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (30th bday party 11Jun) >-->> >-->'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] (replaces ML) >-->> >-->'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car, which she just >-->> >--> ran completely dry with the oil... we'll see how >-->> >--> bad it is this week) >-->> >-->'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure On Sun, 7 May 2006, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->On Sunday 07 May 2006 20:07, my mailbox was graced by a missive >--> from john who wrote: >--> >-->> I think I'd opt for pinching the fuel line with a hemostat... >-->> just cut the fuel off so it can't keep going... >--> >-->Fuel in the filter is ample to allow the engine to self destruct. excellent point... forgot about that little reservoir... then have the filter ready to spin off... once you break that seal it'll suck air and die quickly... a rubber pad mounted to wood to fit over the air intake might produce slightly less mess though. :) john >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Ron. >-->-- >--> I intend to live forever >--> or die trying. >--> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 21:58:09 -0500 From: Sam Williams Subject: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Seems like less fuss and feathers to pay attention while replacing the part. Make sure the new one fits just like the old one--same as any part replacement. Thinking of the best and quickest way to cut fuel, introduce air, find a suitable rubber plug--while your beloved diesel engine is winding up beyond 5000 rpm--may not prove that simple for shade tree mechanics like me. There was a story on one of the lists of someone plugging the air intake with a shop rag. It sucked that in with nary a belch. These engines will run on just about anything. Just pay attention to what you're doing. It's not as if I haven't learned that the hard way. Now, if only I could stop re-learning it so frequently. Sam john wrote: > On Sun, 7 May 2006, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: > > >> -->On Sunday 07 May 2006 20:07, my mailbox was graced by a missive >> --> from john who wrote: >> --> >> -->> I think I'd opt for pinching the fuel line with a hemostat... >> -->> just cut the fuel off so it can't keep going... >> --> >> -->Fuel in the filter is ample to allow the engine to self destruct. >> > > excellent point... forgot about that little reservoir... > then have the filter ready to spin off... once you > break that seal it'll suck air and die quickly... > > a rubber pad mounted to wood to fit over the air intake > might produce slightly less mess though. :) > > john > > >> --> >> -->Cheers, >> --> >> -->Ron. >> -->-- >> --> I intend to live forever >> --> or die trying. >> --> >> --> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >> --> >> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 05:58:42 -0700 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Thanks to all for the sound advice! I will try to get the gizmo arm hooked in correctly, AND have the air cleaner off and something solid, clean and flat (Not a shop rag!) to set over the air intake Just in Case! Hopefully I have already appeased the refitting gods by making enough critical errors so that they will allow this one to go smoothly. Greg Sam Williams wrote: Seems like less fuss and feathers to pay attention while replacing the part. Make sure the new one fits just like the old one--same as any part replacement. Thinking of the best and quickest way to cut fuel, introduce air, find a suitable rubber plug--while your beloved diesel engine is winding up beyond 5000 rpm--may not prove that simple for shade tree mechanics like me. There was a story on one of the lists of someone plugging the air intake with a shop rag. It sucked that in with nary a belch. These engines will run on just about anything. Just pay attention to what you're doing. It's not as if I haven't learned that the hard way. Now, if only I could stop re-learning it so frequently. Sam john wrote: On Sun, 7 May 2006, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: -->On Sunday 07 May 2006 20:07, my mailbox was graced by a missive --> from john who wrote: --> -->> I think I'd opt for pinching the fuel line with a hemostat... -->> just cut the fuel off so it can't keep going... --> -->Fuel in the filter is ample to allow the engine to self destruct. excellent point... forgot about that little reservoir... then have the filter ready to spin off... once you break that seal it'll suck air and die quickly... a rubber pad mounted to wood to fit over the air intake might produce slightly less mess though. :) john --> -->Cheers, --> -->Ron. -->-- --> I intend to live forever --> or die trying. --> --> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:25:55 -0400 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] '79 TD shutdown failure Greg, Why not post in plain text ? HTML does really look lik Amish vehicle exhaust... Cheers, Ron. On Monday 08 May 2006 08:58, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Greg Fiorentino who wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks to all for the sound > advice!  - -- - -- So many beautiful women, and so little time. -- John Barrymore -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:33:22 -0700 From: "Charles Redell" Subject: [db] 77 300d? HI all. In her continuing search for a diesel vehicle, the GF has moved on to looking at Mercedeses, finally.... She's seen an ad for a 77 300d. automatic. VERY low miles. Any thoughts on this year of the model? Anything to look out for? I've got an 84 turbo but am not familiar with the earlier versions so if anyone has any insight, it'd be appreciated as we are going to look at it on Monday. Thanks! Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 13:00:44 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: [db] Re: Nice '87 300D for sale A nice 1987 300D. Pictures and details at: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/car/158509059.html Marc Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] 77 300d? Charles Redell wrote: > > HI all. > > In her continuing search for a diesel vehicle, the GF has moved on to > looking at Mercedeses, finally.... She's seen an ad for a 77 300d. > automatic. VERY low miles. Any thoughts on this year of the model? Anything > to look out for? I've got an 84 turbo but am not familiar with the earlier > versions so if anyone has any insight, it'd be appreciated as we are going > to look at it on Monday. > *** Verify that the miles are REALLY "very low". Quick giveaways of high mileage cars include drivers seat wear & sagging, and also front end spring sagging, especially on the drivers side. Also, old low-mileage cars can have their own unique problems. Been there, done that. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:46:01 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] Diesel wagon On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 06:09:29PM -0400, Michael Frank wrote: > Wasn't there a Diesel wagon in 1987 that used the 2.5L Turbo? Does > anyone know the model number? You sure you don't mean the 124.193 (300TD with six cylinder 3.0L turbo)? It was the only diesel wagon to come stateside after the S123s. K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:21:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] 77 300d? Charles Redell wrote: > > On 5/8/06, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > > > > Hey Jerry, > > > > > > What are the issues a very low miles car might have? > > *** Very low miles means lots of sitting around. So: > > > > * Corrosion *** And don't just think rusty quarter panels: Think camshafts, lifters, and crankshafts. Think piston rings. Think sticky piston rings. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:52:27 -0700 From: "Charles Redell" Subject: Re: [db] 77 300d? Is that kind of corrison something I can look for when looking at the car? IE: easily and without dismantaling the camshaft cover or what have you? thanks! c On 5/8/06, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > Charles Redell wrote: > > > > On 5/8/06, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Jerry, > > > > > > > > What are the issues a very low miles car might have? > > > *** Very low miles means lots of sitting around. So: > > > > > > * Corrosion > *** And don't just think rusty quarter panels: Think camshafts, lifters, > and > crankshafts. Think piston rings. Think sticky piston rings. > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:08:09 -0400 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] 77 300d? Charles Redell wrote: > HI all. > > In her continuing search for a diesel vehicle, the GF has moved on to > looking at Mercedeses, finally.... She's seen an ad for a 77 300d. > automatic. VERY low miles. Any thoughts on this year of the model? Anything > to look out for? I've got an 84 turbo but am not familiar with the earlier > versions so if anyone has any insight, it'd be appreciated as we are going > to look at it on Monday. > although the 77 is the first year of the 300, it's a very sound vehicle. my dad bought one new many years ago and we inherited it, only getting rid of it about 3 years ago. i really like W123s in general and it could be a really great car. richard ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2151 **********************************