From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 12 13:02:53 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, June 12 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2165 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo [db] Re: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo Re: [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo RE: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo RE: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo Re: [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June made it to the gala bash for the green limo... :) couple of snacks and snaps... snapped a couple of pictures that is. :) looking good, well except for the rust... NJ winters... :( john >-->Hi, all! >-->Details: >-->Our car is turning 30! 11 June 1976 delivery date. It's time for a >-->party, complete with biodiesel shots for the car. :) >-->Date: Sunday June 11 >-->Time: 2-7ish, come whenever >-->Place: Lynnwood ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:42:19 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June New York, not New Jersey! :) (A sensitive issue for NY and NJ folks!) Glad you made it, albeit briefly, John. :) (And thanks for that w124 tool thingy) On Sun Jun 11, 2006, john wrote: > > made it to the gala bash for the green limo... :) > > couple of snacks and snaps... > snapped a couple of pictures that is. :) > > looking good, well except for the rust... NJ winters... :( > > john > > > >-->Hi, all! > >-->Details: > >-->Our car is turning 30! 11 June 1976 delivery date. It's time for a > >-->party, complete with biodiesel shots for the car. :) > >-->Date: Sunday June 11 > >-->Time: 2-7ish, come whenever > >-->Place: Lynnwood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June isn't Princeton in NJ? ;) On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->New York, not New Jersey! :) >-->(A sensitive issue for NY and NJ folks!) >--> >-->Glad you made it, albeit briefly, John. :) >-->(And thanks for that w124 tool thingy) >--> >--> >-->On Sun Jun 11, 2006, john wrote: >-->> >-->> made it to the gala bash for the green limo... :) >-->> >-->> couple of snacks and snaps... >-->> snapped a couple of pictures that is. :) >-->> >-->> looking good, well except for the rust... NJ winters... :( >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->Hi, all! >-->> >-->Details: >-->> >-->Our car is turning 30! 11 June 1976 delivery date. It's time for a >-->> >-->party, complete with biodiesel shots for the car. :) >-->> >-->Date: Sunday June 11 >-->> >-->Time: 2-7ish, come whenever >-->> >-->Place: Lynnwood >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that the '91 can escape the black hole that has located itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Categories.bok?category=Bed+Traction+Weight john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:56:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo simple... take the weight of a gallon of veggie oil and divide it into that weight... sheesh... suggest going to radio shack and picking up a calculator. ;) john On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Colucci B wrote: > -->OK it's 350lbs, but how many gallons does it hold? > --> > -->The Admiral > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up > -->> to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I > -->> think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or > -->> Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the > -->> trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that > -->> the '91 can escape the black hole that has located > -->> itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) > -->> > -->> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 > -->> > -->> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Categories.bok?category=Bed+Traction+Weight > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo I'm thinking Grand Wagoneer roof rack... can you say solar heated waste veggie oil? I knew you could... :) btw, veggie oil is lighter than water, probably btwn 6 and 7 pounds. john On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Scott Williams wrote: > -->That's 42 gallons of "water" for 350 lbs. And it looks like they could be > -->"stacked", if you needed more - "tested to support 500 lbs.", so you could > -->put one on top of another. Great idea for a vegoil road trip if you have a > -->vehicle with a flat bed surface. They have a 12 gallon model ("100 lbs") > -->model for car trunks or under car seats. > --> > -->Find out what material it's made of so you can determine if biodiesel will > -->eat it... > --> > -->Scott in Penfield NY > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up > -->> to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I > -->> think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or > -->> Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the > -->> trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that > -->> the '91 can escape the black hole that has located > -->> itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) > -->> > -->> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 > -->> > -->> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Categories.bok?category=Bed+Traction+Weight > -->> > -->> john > -->> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo vegetable oil is usually pretty mild... but that could be quite a mess if it started leaking. :) fwiw, the solar powered idea is ok, but oil has to be at 160 degrees... john On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Dan Black wrote: >-->john said: >-->{- watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up >-->{- to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I >-->{- think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or >-->{- Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the >-->{- trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that >-->{- the '91 can escape the black hole that has located >-->{- itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) >-->{- >-->{- http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 >--> >-->Are you sure the fuel won't gradually eat through the plastic? I know >-->some containers made for water can't reliably hold various kinds of >-->fuel. >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Women and cats will do as they please, >--> and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. >--> >--> -- Robert A. Heinlein >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:40:08 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo The sun and a black tank should get it to about 110 degrees. My veggie tank is almost complete with a copper heating coil in a stainless tank. Only 3 gallons to heat, but that is all that is needed for a 45 mile commute. I have run straight unheated oil at about 75 degrees and it did fine, but I shouldn't be done for extended periods. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Dan Black CC: diesel-benz list , Full Size Jeeps Subject: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) >vegetable oil is usually pretty mild... but that could be quite a mess >if it started leaking. :) > >fwiw, the solar powered idea is ok, but oil has to be at 160 degrees... > > >john > >On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Dan Black wrote: > > >-->john said: > >-->{- watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up > >-->{- to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I > >-->{- think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or > >-->{- Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the > >-->{- trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that > >-->{- the '91 can escape the black hole that has located > >-->{- itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) > >-->{- > >-->{- http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 > >--> > >-->Are you sure the fuel won't gradually eat through the plastic? I know > >-->some containers made for water can't reliably hold various kinds of > >-->fuel. > >--> > >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> Women and cats will do as they please, > >--> and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. > >--> > >--> -- Robert A. Heinlein > >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- > >--> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:16:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo 110 degrees would be good... the next issue will be getting the WVO into and out of that bladder... thinking that I'll use gravity to force it through a filter... problem is I'll run this into the aux tank... so it'll cool off down there. oh well... unlikely I'll do this, but it's a crazy idea... $150 for 40+ gallons of storage doesn't make sense... it would be easier to make a rcvr hitch holder for my existing barrels... ;) john On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->The sun and a black tank should get it to about 110 degrees. My veggie >-->tank is almost complete with a copper heating coil in a stainless tank. >-->Only 3 gallons to heat, but that is all that is needed for a 45 mile >-->commute. I have run straight unheated oil at about 75 degrees and it did >-->fine, but I shouldn't be done for extended periods. >--> >-->Allen >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> From: john >--> To: Dan Black >--> CC: diesel-benz list , Full Size Jeeps >--> >--> Subject: [db] Re: fsj: auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo >--> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) >--> >vegetable oil is usually pretty mild... but that could be quite a >--> mess >--> >if it started leaking. :) >--> > >--> >fwiw, the solar powered idea is ok, but oil has to be at 160 >--> degrees... >--> > >--> > >--> >john >--> > >--> >On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Dan Black wrote: >--> > >--> > >-->john said: >--> > >-->{- watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up >--> > >-->{- to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I >--> > >-->{- think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or >--> > >-->{- Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the >--> > >-->{- trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that >--> > >-->{- the '91 can escape the black hole that has located >--> > >-->{- itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) >--> > >-->{- >--> > >-->{- http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 >--> > >--> >--> > >-->Are you sure the fuel won't gradually eat through the >--> plastic? I know >--> > >-->some containers made for water can't reliably hold various >--> kinds of >--> > >-->fuel. >--> > >--> >--> > >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > >--> Women and cats will do as they please, >--> > >--> and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. >--> > >--> >--> > >--> -- Robert A. Heinlein >--> > >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- >--> dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > ---- >--> > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >--> ** >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "ernest breakfield" Subject: Re: [db] auxillary tank for Biodiesel/SV0/WVo what would keep it from sloshing around? i wouldn't ever want any weight on *top* of my vehicle anyway, but that goes double if it can move to the outside of a turn,... cheers! e > I'm thinking Grand Wagoneer roof rack... can you > say solar heated waste veggie oil? I knew you could... :) > > btw, veggie oil is lighter than water, probably btwn 6 and 7 pounds. > > john > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, Scott Williams wrote: > >> -->That's 42 gallons of "water" for 350 lbs. And it looks like they >> could be >> -->"stacked", if you needed more - "tested to support 500 lbs.", so you >> could >> -->put one on top of another. Great idea for a vegoil road trip if you >> have a >> -->vehicle with a flat bed surface. They have a 12 gallon model ("100 >> lbs") >> -->model for car trunks or under car seats. >> --> >> -->Find out what material it's made of so you can determine if biodiesel >> will >> -->eat it... >> --> >> -->Scott in Penfield NY >> --> >> -->john wrote: >> -->> watching trucks! I saw them mention "Shurtrax"... up >> -->> to 350lbs of weight... using water... DING! I >> -->> think I just found my bladder to haul either WVO or >> -->> Biodiesel in the back of the Grand Wagoneer for the >> -->> trip to South Dakota... assuming of course that >> -->> the '91 can escape the black hole that has located >> -->> itself in Centralia, drawing in all sorts of Jeeps... :) >> -->> >> -->> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Detail.bok?no=4 >> -->> >> -->> >> http://storesense.megawebservers.com/HS2048/Categories.bok?category=Bed+Traction+Weight >> -->> >> -->> john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:46:19 -0700 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: Re: [db] Re: Invite to our car's 30th birthday party! Sun 11 June True, but the car only lived there for about a year. I just used the trains prior to that, or borrowed the Acura for a day or two here and there. On Sun Jun 11, 2006, john wrote: > > isn't Princeton in NJ? ;) > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > > >-->New York, not New Jersey! :) > >-->(A sensitive issue for NY and NJ folks!) > >--> > >-->Glad you made it, albeit briefly, John. :) > >-->(And thanks for that w124 tool thingy) > >--> > >--> > >-->On Sun Jun 11, 2006, john wrote: > >-->> > >-->> made it to the gala bash for the green limo... :) > >-->> > >-->> couple of snacks and snaps... > >-->> snapped a couple of pictures that is. :) > >-->> > >-->> looking good, well except for the rust... NJ winters... :( > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >-->Hi, all! > >-->> >-->Details: > >-->> >-->Our car is turning 30! 11 June 1976 delivery date. It's time for a > >-->> >-->party, complete with biodiesel shots for the car. :) > >-->> >-->Date: Sunday June 11 > >-->> >-->Time: 2-7ish, come whenever > >-->> >-->Place: Lynnwood > >--> ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2165 **********************************