From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Sep 6 18:32:30 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, September 7 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2236 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Blower motor kaput Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem [db] better electrical setup Re: [db] wagoneers.com - upgrade completed! Re: [db] wagoneers.com - upgrade completed! Re: [db] Blower motor kaput Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem RE: [db] Blower motor kaput Re: [db] Blower motor kaput Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:48:35 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Blower motor kaput Quoting paul.h.brown-at-verizon.net: > What car? > > >Subject: [db] Blower motor kaput > > I hope it's a W123. Blower motors are ridiculaously easy to R&R on those. MUCH easier in my 85 300D than in my current W124 300CE. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 209K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem Kevin wrote: > > I'd be curious to hear what it is when they fix it. A coworker has one as a > weekend toy. > *** Web research leads me to believe that it is an electronic module. Too many damn computers in cars nowadays if you ask me. And I'm a programmer! Looks like I shall have to take it up to Putnam in Burlingame. Even though Boardwalk in RWC is closer - Boardwalk has something like 14 negative reviews of the service department on Yahoo Local. Putnam has only one review(yeah it's negative) of the service department :(. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > Kevin wrote: > > > > I'd be curious to hear what it is when they fix it. A coworker has one as a > > weekend toy. > > > *** Web research leads me to believe that it is an electronic module. Too > many damn computers in cars nowadays if you ask me. And I'm a programmer! > *** I should explain exactly WHAT I don't like about all the computers: * Secret source code ( After all, mechanics and owners are too stupid to understand the magic ) * Fail in subtle and strange ways ( failures in a computers outputs can be caused by seemingly unrelated anomalies in their inputs. Every second Thursday. ) * Monstrously overpriced * Mechanics change them when they can't figure out what's wrong > Looks like I shall have to take it up to Putnam in Burlingame. Even > though Boardwalk in RWC is closer - Boardwalk has something like 14 negative > reviews of the service department on Yahoo Local. Putnam has only one > review(yeah it's negative) of the service department :(. > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->> >-->> Kevin wrote: >-->> > >-->> > I'd be curious to hear what it is when they fix it. A coworker has one as a >-->> > weekend toy. >-->> > >-->> *** Web research leads me to believe that it is an electronic module. Too >-->> many damn computers in cars nowadays if you ask me. And I'm a programmer! >-->> >-->*** I should explain exactly WHAT I don't like about all the computers: >--> * Secret source code >--> ( After all, mechanics and owners are too stupid to understand the magic ) no, PROGRAMMERS no longer understand the magic, ESPECIALLY those that are Microsoft certified or exclusively use their tools. The code is no longer understandable because the function libraries are so extensive, and with Microsoft visual tools all that extra stuff gets loaded, they don't optimize their code... programmers using .not exercise a click and drool process without understanding the underlying concepts or purposes... and even if they do, which only a small percentage do, they don't have much control over what gets loaded... too many lines of code, too much functionality that is unneeded or unused that offers a multitude of branches and failure points that can't possibly be tested in three person's lifetime... yet they keep adding more and more to it in the vain of marketing... meanwhile, the open source guys try to copy what they've done and are sending those apps down the same spiral... ...it's been a long day... just blue screened on a tablet that had a couple of cad apps loaded... long story... ;) >--> * Fail in subtle and strange ways >--> ( failures in a computers outputs can be caused by seemingly unrelated >--> anomalies in their inputs. Every second Thursday. ) too many lines of code. >--> * Monstrously overpriced too much marketing, FUD and fluff... care to pay $238 for a repackage of XP? amazon.com will be happy to take your money early... Vista has more dll's than xp, requires more hardware and provides less user flexibility and has a lot of really cool security pop ups that plague you when trying to install apps.. yet will still let mere mortals regedit... go figure... john >--> * Mechanics change them when they can't figure out what's wrong >--> >-->> Looks like I shall have to take it up to Putnam in Burlingame. Even >-->> though Boardwalk in RWC is closer - Boardwalk has something like 14 negative >-->> reviews of the service department on Yahoo Local. Putnam has only one >-->> review(yeah it's negative) of the service department :(. >-->> >-->> - Jerry >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 15:18:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] better electrical setup the idea of using electric motors for final drive is great... would lend itself to a very practical 4x4, even using existing chassis... I wonder if the generator would improve the mileage if it were Diesel. :) http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/the_hybrid_mini.php imagine, in a few years we can retrofit our drivelines with electric motors, super caps and a small generator... what's next? anti-gravitation devices? we can only hope. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:10:51 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] wagoneers.com - upgrade completed! >finally, got wagoneers.com webserver working again, actually better >than before... Is that why I saw a call from you on my cell last weekend? Sorry I didn't get to it in time, I was in an open topped car going real fast and couldn't have heard you talking anyway. ;) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 16:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] wagoneers.com - upgrade completed! yep, just calling to see if you were in the office... you'll be happy to know your staff did a great job in your absence, but you knew that already. ;) ...so how fast were you going? ;) john On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->>finally, got wagoneers.com webserver working again, actually better than > -->>before... > --> > -->Is that why I saw a call from you on my cell last weekend? Sorry I didn't > -->get to it in time, I was in an open topped car going real fast and couldn't > -->have heard you talking anyway. ;) > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:25:24 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Blower motor kaput It is a 123. An 83 300D Turbo to be exact. Marc Z. acordova-at-texas.net wrote: Quoting paul.h.brown-at-verizon.net: What car? Subject: [db] Blower motor kaput I hope it's a W123. Blower motors are ridiculaously easy to R&R on those. MUCH easier in my 85 300D than in my current W124 300CE. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 209K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:29:45 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem There's nothing like an IBM i5, was iSeries, and AS/400. :-) I pick up my parts and OSs from www.compuplus.com (I have nothing to do with them). Marc Z. john wrote: On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: -->Jerome Kaidor wrote: -->> -->> Kevin wrote: -->> > -->> > I'd be curious to hear what it is when they fix it. A coworker has one as a -->> > weekend toy. -->> > -->> *** Web research leads me to believe that it is an electronic module. Too -->> many damn computers in cars nowadays if you ask me. And I'm a programmer! -->> -->*** I should explain exactly WHAT I don't like about all the computers: --> * Secret source code --> ( After all, mechanics and owners are too stupid to understand the magic ) no, PROGRAMMERS no longer understand the magic, ESPECIALLY those that are Microsoft certified or exclusively use their tools. The code is no longer understandable because the function libraries are so extensive, and with Microsoft visual tools all that extra stuff gets loaded, they don't optimize their code... programmers using .not exercise a click and drool process without understanding the underlying concepts or purposes... and even if they do, which only a small percentage do, they don't have much control over what gets loaded... too many lines of code, too much functionality that is unneeded or unused that offers a multitude of branches and failure points that can't possibly be tested in three person's lifetime... yet they keep adding more and more to it in the vain of marketing... meanwhile, the open source guys try to copy what they've done and are sending those apps down the same spiral... ...it's been a long day... just blue screened on a tablet that had a couple of cad apps loaded... long story... ;) --> * Fail in subtle and strange ways --> ( failures in a computers outputs can be caused by seemingly unrelated --> anomalies in their inputs. Every second Thursday. ) too many lines of code. --> * Monstrously overpriced too much marketing, FUD and fluff... care to pay $238 for a repackage of XP? amazon.com will be happy to take your money early... Vista has more dll's than xp, requires more hardware and provides less user flexibility and has a lot of really cool security pop ups that plague you when trying to install apps.. yet will still let mere mortals regedit... go figure... john --> * Mechanics change them when they can't figure out what's wrong --> -->> Looks like I shall have to take it up to Putnam in Burlingame. Even -->> though Boardwalk in RWC is closer - Boardwalk has something like 14 negative -->> reviews of the service department on Yahoo Local. Putnam has only one -->> review(yeah it's negative) of the service department :(. -->> -->> - Jerry --> ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 19:41:29 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] Blower motor kaput Then just drop the lower dash panel on the passenger side (screws under the plastic caps along the top, one big plastic screw against the center hump that you only turn 90 degrees), unscrew the handful of bolts holding the blower motor up, carefully disconnect the electrical cable, then drop the blower right down in the front passenger footwell. At the very least, you can clean it with a bunch of compressed air, put a few drops of ATF on the bearings, and get some life back out of it. Even better is to get replacement "brushes" (they're more like little blocks) from George Murphy, solder them in, and get a whole bunch more life out of it. Try cleaning and lubing first. Start to finish, it should barely take an hour. If you get no improvement, it might be some other part of the automatic climate control that's the problem, and those aren't as cheap or easy to properly diagnose and fix. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 209K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Marc Z > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:25 PM > To: acordova-at-texas.net > Cc: diesel-benz list > Subject: Re: [db] Blower motor kaput > > > It is a 123. An 83 300D Turbo to be exact. > > Marc Z. > > acordova-at-texas.net wrote: > > Quoting paul.h.brown-at-verizon.net: > > What car? > > Subject: [db] Blower motor kaput > > I hope it's a W123. Blower motors are ridiculaously easy to R&R > on those. > MUCH easier in my 85 300D than in my current W124 300CE. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 209K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Blower motor kaput piece 'o cake... passenger side, a handful of screws, drops right down... can probably replace the brushes. the '91 300d (124) series isn't much worse, but a little bit more challenging. john On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Marc Z wrote: >--> It is a 123. An 83 300D Turbo to be exact. >--> >-->Marc Z. >--> >-->acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >--> >--> Quoting paul.h.brown-at-verizon.net: >--> >--> What car? >--> >--> Subject: [db] Blower motor kaput >--> >--> I hope it's a W123. Blower motors are ridiculaously easy to R&R on those. >--> MUCH easier in my 85 300D than in my current W124 300CE. >--> >--> Alec Cordova >--> Taylor, Texas >--> 89 300CE, 209K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Crazy SSR problem real programmers do it in assembly language... or vi. we don't need no stinkin' gui... :) going from assembly (8080/6800) to Basic was challenging, but going from Basic to Pascal was mind-blowing, I still haven't recovered... never went past C... I mean, I mean, what do you mean I have to define my variables before I can use 'em??? john On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Marc Z wrote: >--> There's nothing like an IBM i5, was iSeries, and AS/400. :-) >--> >-->I pick up my parts and OSs from www.compuplus.com (I have nothing to do >-->with them). >--> >-->Marc Z. >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >--> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >--> >--> -->Jerome Kaidor wrote: >--> -->> >--> -->> Kevin wrote: >--> -->> > >--> -->> > I'd be curious to hear what it is when they fix it. A coworker has one as a >--> -->> > weekend toy. >--> -->> > >--> -->> *** Web research leads me to believe that it is an electronic module. Too >--> -->> many damn computers in cars nowadays if you ask me. And I'm a programmer! >--> -->> >--> -->*** I should explain exactly WHAT I don't like about all the computers: >--> --> * Secret source code >--> --> ( After all, mechanics and owners are too stupid to understand the magic ) >--> >--> no, PROGRAMMERS no longer understand the magic, ESPECIALLY those that are Microsoft >--> certified or exclusively use their tools. The code is no longer understandable >--> because the function libraries are so extensive, and with Microsoft visual tools >--> all that extra stuff gets loaded, they don't optimize their code... >--> >--> programmers using .not exercise a click and drool process without understanding >--> the underlying concepts or purposes... and even if they do, which only a small >--> percentage do, they don't have much control over what gets loaded... too many >--> lines of code, too much functionality that is unneeded or unused that offers >--> a multitude of branches and failure points that can't possibly be tested in >--> three person's lifetime... yet they keep adding more and more to it in the >--> vain of marketing... meanwhile, the open source guys try to copy what they've >--> done and are sending those apps down the same spiral... >--> >--> ...it's been a long day... just blue screened on a tablet that had a couple >--> of cad apps loaded... long story... ;) >--> >--> --> * Fail in subtle and strange ways >--> --> ( failures in a computers outputs can be caused by seemingly unrelated >--> --> anomalies in their inputs. Every second Thursday. ) >--> >--> too many lines of code. >--> >--> --> * Monstrously overpriced >--> >--> too much marketing, FUD and fluff... care to pay $238 for a repackage of XP? >--> amazon.com will be happy to take your money early... Vista has more dll's than >--> xp, requires more hardware and provides less user flexibility and has a lot >--> of really cool security pop ups that plague you when trying to install apps.. >--> >--> yet will still let mere mortals regedit... >--> >--> go figure... >--> >--> john >--> >--> --> * Mechanics change them when they can't figure out what's wrong >--> --> >--> -->> Looks like I shall have to take it up to Putnam in Burlingame. Even >--> -->> though Boardwalk in RWC is closer - Boardwalk has something like 14 negative >--> -->> reviews of the service department on Yahoo Local. Putnam has only one >--> -->> review(yeah it's negative) of the service department :(. >--> -->> >--> -->> - Jerry >--> --> >--> >--> ---- >--> >--> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >--> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2236 **********************************