From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Sep 15 15:04:34 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 15 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2243 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Let there be light... please? Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) Re: [db] Let there be light... please? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:24:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Let there be light... please? I'm not sure of the wiring... but this sounds like a heat related problem based on the extra current of the high beams... this could be enhanced by corrosion or a weak connection to ground. I would highly recommend placing a relay near the headlights that route power directly from the battery to the headlamp with a thermal breaker near the battery. I don't know if they use a relay to provide power to the headlights or not, I would hope they do. I believe my '71 BMW 2500 did... not sure on my benz... IF THERE IS ALREADY a relay used and the power does NOT go directly through the headlight switch or dimmer on the stalk, then I would look at that RELAY as having an issue. Corrosion in the contacts or a weak relay... check the diode used to suppress spikes, it should be reverse biased across the relay contacts... The issue is something is causing a resistive or inductive delay in switching, my guess is it's heat related... heat caused by corrosion or a failing inductor in the relay... john On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, J.B. Hebert wrote: > -->With the days getting shorter, I'm finding myself using my headlights more. > -->Recently I noticed that on occasion when I switch from high to low beam, > -->there is a period of a second or two when there is NO light. Then the low > -->beams will come on. Needless to say, this is a little disconcerting and a > -->safety issue. I know that the way the contacts are set up in the combo > -->switch the high and low beams are on simultaneously in the middle of the > -->throw to allow some overlap and to presumably eliminate this situation. The > -->problem only occurs going from high to low, not the other way around (so > -->far). I am unable to reproduce the situation after it occurs by flipping > -->the switch back and forth. Does this car have a high/low relay that could > -->be sticking, or is it more likely the combo switch that needs replacing? I > -->haven't had a chance to tear into the wiring diagrams yet to trace the > -->circuit, but figured someone else might have run into this situation. I've > -->had the wiper part of the combo switch fail twice on a 123 chassis car > -->(broken wire at the solder joint) but never ran into this headlight problem > -->before. Car is a '95 E300D. > --> > -->Thanks in advance. > --> > --> > -->J.B. Hebert > --> > -->---------------------------------------------- > -->Current Vehicles: > --> > -->'76 Ford Bronco > -->'78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > -->'80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > -->'82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > -->'93 GMC Sierra 2500 > -->'95 Mercedes E300D > --> > -->-- > -->No virus found in this outgoing message. > -->Checked by AVG Free Edition. > -->Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 9/14/2006 > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) Black, Waylon wrote: > > Total? - THREE digits. :( > *** Wow. And I thought I was overstuffed, with 7 cars total, including two "running but never use them" british roadsters in the garage. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:06:48 -0400 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) HA - rookie. Your have more discipline. Confessions of a junkie. I know exactly why/how it happened. Buying a new project was my 'high'. It gave satisfaction that I wasn't finding in life/at home. When you get good at - it is amazing what you can buy for $100 or less. Even after I 'stopped' buying. People started to give me cars for free - yes, running driving cars for free. THAT was a hard habit to break. Quitting smoking was easier. The profit makes it hard - I bought a 1967 4 door Dart for $40. No engine/trans. Lady wanted out of the backyard. Sold the hood for $100 and kept the aluminum small bolt pattern wheels for my 70 Dart. Have you seen what 67-68 Dart fenders recently bring on ebay? $250+ each. Guess what I'm pulling off this weekend. ;) Earlier in the year I parted out a smashed in the rear 79 Cordoba on ebay. Bought for $100, sold parts totaled over $700.00 for a weeks work(took a week of vacation). I have really worked hard at not buying. As bad as I want a 123/126 coupe, to V8 with a BB Chrysler, I still havent bought the 280C(asking $450) with a poorly running inline FI 6 banger. 383SEC or 440SEC droooolllll. Been thnking about it for 2 months - car is still there Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr4.tr2.com] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:09 AM To: Black, Waylon Cc: john; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) Black, Waylon wrote: > > Total? - THREE digits. :( > *** Wow. And I thought I was overstuffed, with 7 cars total, including two "running but never use them" british roadsters in the garage. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:22:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) RE: Waylon's Wisdom on Wheels, Weeds and other Wonders - --------------------------------------------------------- Waylon, You speak true words of wisdom... (see Waylon's discourse below) I like the part about the middle of nowhere now being the middle of somewhere. 2 acres ain't what it used to be. Six hours of staring at your decision can indeed be painful. That's why I usually have such things delivered to me. :) Thankfully, my wonderful bride has helped me in my addiction/obsession by limiting my current fleet to just a handful... Of course with the help of friends with the same affliction I have managed to distribute my collection a bit more than I should have. This was not intentional and complicates the issue. ;) I'm sitting up here with two of my prized possessions in pieces 105 miles south of here and no time to go down to help. That in and of itself isn't a problem... it's when they come home that the fun begins... which one(s) to keep? While we have the room for more than what I have, in the name of neighborly concern and as part of the ever growing garden projects, I am overruled. ;) But in reality, I agree, I don't need three, four or more vehicles... I want just ONE that does everything. With ONE vehicle I know where all my best tools are. I know where my sunglasses are. I know where my tow chain is... where my coffee cup is... where my cell phone headset and charger are... where my music is... etc. That ONE vehicle needs to: - must get good mileage / fuel economy! - must be a DIESEL - must be a 4x4 - must be an automatic - must have a sunroof/moonroof - must have A/C - must have cruise control - must have receiver hitchs - must be able to tow my trailer (J10 hydraulic dump) - must be able to carry passengers (at least 2) - must be computer carry friendly (dry cargo area) - must be "cool", classic and desireable - must pass the spouse acceptance test (redneck/cammo doesn't fly) - must be capable of surviving encounters with trees and subcompacts current fleet (and locations, if not here & probable outcome): - '99 Grand Cherokee WJ 4.7L V8 Quadradrive - KEEP(100%) - '48 CJ-2A - (most likely KEEP-MLK) (MLK-80%) (Alpha) - '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer - KEEP (90%) - '91 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel - most likely SELL(85%) (Shadowfax) (depends on how Omega turns out... ) - '91 Grand Wagoneer SJ getting 6.2L Diesel, Centralia - KEEP(90%) (Omega) - '83 J10 Stepside - 4.2? 4.0? ?? - Centralia - ??? after 5 years it's hard to remember why I liked this truck so much... (Superdawg) - '67 J100 Panel - Centralia - going to Curtis (Rambo) - '79 J10 Golden Eagle - Centralia - going to Curtis (Hooch) Most likely "final" fleet (popcorn chompers keep quiet): '99 WJ, '91 GW, '48 CJ-2A and ('75 J10 trailer or '83 J10 stepside) (the cj-2a doesn't count as a "vehicle", that's my story and I'm sticking to it.) So my "ONE" vehicle will most likely be the '91 Grand Wagoneer with a 6.2L Diesel... but since I haven't driven this rig more than 100 feet, we'll see... pass the popcorn... ;) john =================================================================== On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: Total? - THREE digits. :( Like anything - too much is not a good thing. When I was younger, I thought I was 'rescuing' derelicts. Sure - I have some rare cars - 71 Super B, 70 Coronet RT, 68 Charger, 87, 88, & 89 Shelby CSXs, THREE Shelby Lancers, numerous Shelby Chargers/Omni turbos, but if I drove a different one each day I would only drive them 12 times a year. Being quite poor - I thought I could buy cheap, fix, resell and make a profit. A way to make money with my hobby - per se. As my income increased, I bought 'nicer' projects to tinker with - Volvos/Mercedes. Now my passion has become somewhat of a curse. I bought 2 acres in the middle of nowhere about 10 years ago(when I only had 13 projects). Middle of nowhere has now turned into middle of somewhere and now I want to move. My projects have me 'tied' down. I fully understand the teachings of 'gluttony' now. I now try to counsel anyone that will listen. Rules for the list members. There will ALWAYS be a BETTER deal down the road. Nothing like finding a BETTER car/truck for LESS money within week of buying one(because you NO LONGER have any money to buy the better one). NEVER have more than 2-3 dead cars/trucks if you EVER intend to move. NEVER down a running car. If you want to rebuild the engine/trans - buy a core. NEVER buy a project right after looking at it - give it a few days for reality to set in. My first Mercedes was a 1983 300 SD for $1500 - 5 years ago. My most recent was a MUCH nicer 84 300D turbo diesel for $400.00 - so that makes THREE, clean, nice diesel MBs for $500.00 or less. Makes me feel stoopid for spending $1500 for ONE. To find the good deals - look in the back lots of used car lots/repair shops. Use friends and Craigslist and sometimes ebay. Reality is that you can/will find a RUNNING/NICER example for $1000 or less. PLUS - pulling up in a nice, running example is a VERY effective tool for bargaining your next purchase. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas - -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:07 AM To: Black, Waylon Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] 6.2 diesel the '82's were a bit problematic... but if it had an updated IP and trans rebuild it should be fine... glowplug controller, filter assemblies, fuel sending unit setup... too bad you're so far away... :) so, Waylon, what's your total, current and running... http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html (I could easily pick up a few more to increase my count... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) HA... someone actually PAY for their project vehicles??? ;) I often have them given to me... of course if I sell them within a few months or weeks I usually split the profits with them to sooth my conscience. ;) if only the timing were better though... seems like I get one and then later desire that engine/trans or whatever for a later addition... maybe I need to buy 2 acres in the middle of nowhere... john On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->HA - rookie. >--> >-->Your have more discipline. >--> >-->Confessions of a junkie. I know exactly why/how it happened. Buying a >-->new project was my 'high'. It gave satisfaction that I wasn't finding in >-->life/at home. >--> >-->When you get good at - it is amazing what you can buy for $100 or less. >-->Even after I 'stopped' buying. People started to give me cars for free - >-->yes, running driving cars for free. >--> >-->THAT was a hard habit to break. Quitting smoking was easier. >--> >-->The profit makes it hard - I bought a 1967 4 door Dart for $40. No >-->engine/trans. Lady wanted out of the backyard. Sold the hood for $100 >-->and kept the aluminum small bolt pattern wheels for my 70 Dart. Have you >-->seen what 67-68 Dart fenders recently bring on ebay? $250+ each. Guess >-->what I'm pulling off this weekend. ;) >--> >-->Earlier in the year I parted out a smashed in the rear 79 Cordoba on >-->ebay. Bought for $100, sold parts totaled over $700.00 for a weeks >-->work(took a week of vacation). >--> >-->I have really worked hard at not buying. As bad as I want a 123/126 >-->coupe, to V8 with a BB Chrysler, I still havent bought the 280C(asking >-->$450) with a poorly running inline FI 6 banger. 383SEC or 440SEC >-->droooolllll. Been thnking about it for 2 months - car is still there >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: Jerome Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr4.tr2.com] >-->Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:09 AM >-->To: Black, Waylon >-->Cc: john; diesel-benz-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) >--> >-->Black, Waylon wrote: >-->> >-->> Total? - THREE digits. :( >-->> >-->*** Wow. >--> >--> And I thought I was overstuffed, with 7 cars total, including two >-->"running but never use them" british roadsters in the garage. >--> >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:01:08 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) Quoting "Black, Waylon" : > I have really worked hard at not buying. As bad as I want a 123/126 > coupe, to V8 with a BB Chrysler, I still havent bought the 280C(asking > $450) with a poorly running inline FI 6 banger. 383SEC or 440SEC > droooolllll. Been thnking about it for 2 months - car is still there > > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > Benz respect demands that if the BB ain't fuel injected, you must leave the "E" out of the name, so you get a 383SC or a 440SC from a 126, and just a 383C or 440C in a 123. (Man, that 440C would just be so many kinds of crazy.) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 210K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) or, better yet, convert it to "Einspritzen" mit a Howell kit... :) john On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >-->Quoting "Black, Waylon" : >--> >-->> I have really worked hard at not buying. As bad as I want a 123/126 >-->> coupe, to V8 with a BB Chrysler, I still havent bought the 280C(asking >-->> $450) with a poorly running inline FI 6 banger. 383SEC or 440SEC >-->> droooolllll. Been thnking about it for 2 months - car is still there >-->> >-->> Waylon Black >-->> Little Elm, Texas >-->> >--> >-->Benz respect demands that if the BB ain't fuel injected, you must leave >-->the "E" out of the name, so you get a 383SC or a 440SC from a 126, and just >-->a 383C or 440C in a 123. (Man, that 440C would just be so many kinds of >-->crazy.) >--> >-->Alec Cordova >-->Taylor, Texas >-->89 300CE, 210K >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:10:28 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] 6.2 diesel and buying projects(LONG) On Fri, Sep 15, 2006 at 11:06:21AM -0700, john wrote: > or, better yet, convert it to "Einspritzen" mit a Howell kit... :) Edelbrock makes a supersweet fuel injection for B/RB block mopars, kinda proud of it though. If you're going to really go bonkers, edelbrock rpm heads, fuel injection, roller cam and you're really going to hurt yourself. If you run a manual with overdrive, you'd probably do about the same as the benzo engine got mileagewise, certainly not much worse. This is a little beyond monster garage, though. This is psycho garage :) K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:01:35 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] Let there be light... please? Sounds like a sticky or slow relay. Could just be corrosion on the terminals. Locate the relay and clean contacts and plug in pins. Corrosion reduces current flow and hence the slow action. I also note that my 124 from Florida has a real problem on any switch on the dash that has not been used much., must be corroded terminals inside as it takes many vigorous on-off cucles to get the darned defroster to come on or the passenger side seat adjustments to work. Edward J.B. Hebert wrote: > With the days getting shorter, I'm finding myself using my headlights > more. Recently I noticed that on occasion when I switch from high to > low beam, there is a period of a second or two when there is NO > light. Then the low beams will come on. Needless to say, this is a > little disconcerting and a safety issue. I know that the way the > contacts are set up in the combo switch the high and low beams are on > simultaneously in the middle of the throw to allow some overlap and to > presumably eliminate this situation. The problem only occurs going > from high to low, not the other way around (so far). I am unable to > reproduce the situation after it occurs by flipping the switch back > and forth. Does this car have a high/low relay that could be > sticking, or is it more likely the combo switch that needs replacing? > I haven't had a chance to tear into the wiring diagrams yet to trace > the circuit, but figured someone else might have run into this > situation. I've had the wiper part of the combo switch fail twice on > a 123 chassis car (broken wire at the solder joint) but never ran into > this headlight problem before. Car is a '95 E300D. > > Thanks in advance. > > > J.B. Hebert > > ---------------------------------------------- > Current Vehicles: > > '76 Ford Bronco > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > '95 Mercedes E300D ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2243 **********************************